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TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 18 @ 11:23 PM ET
You keep making the mistake of trading him as the player you think he is in your personal opinion.
Our opinions don’t matter.
The numbers don’t matter.

To NHL GMs, perception is reality. The perception around Trouba is that he’s a big, fast dman who logs heavy minutes against top players, has elite defensive ability, and just dropped 50 points. He’s also in the middle of his prime, and has been known to be hitty. His value could quietly rival Karlsson’s just by virtue of comparative age and health

- Rexypoo

Oh I am sorry, forgot your opinion is fact!!!!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 18 @ 11:25 PM ET
Love Ehlers as well. Connor and Nicky are untouchable IMO.
No there is no way Ehlers will get 82 games with Scheif-Wheeler - but most night think it will be Ehlers-Schef-Wheeler or Connor-Scheif-Wheeler - that gives them the best chance to win.
Can't play all 82 games with the same lines, gotta be prepared for injuries.

- grahamzky

No one is untouchable. If Edmonton offered you McDavid for Ehlers and Connor, would you seriously say no?
DrunkenCanuck
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto , ON
Joined: 07.14.2009

May 19 @ 12:00 AM ET
I would do this! I know the Jets are not going to get a defenseman of equal or better caliber. I am willing to upgrade another position in the interim.
- TheUltimateJet


Send in the paperwork! A rare Win/Win
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 19 @ 8:41 AM ET
No one is untouchable. If Edmonton offered you McDavid for Ehlers and Connor, would you seriously say no?
- TheUltimateJet


I believe you know what I meant - almost untouchable. They are as close to it as anyone on the Jets. Guess one could include Scheif, Wheeler, Morrissey and Hellebuyck.

The Oilers had McJesus and Draisaitl, and how'd they make out? Wonder if teams would prefer two $12 million players or four $6 mill players if they had the opportunity? Probably the former?
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 19 @ 9:15 AM ET
There is not one team in the NHL that would give you that. If they do, they should fire their GM.


- TheUltimateJet

Why? How is Daley, first rounder and hronek from Detroit and different than the deals you suggested from Detroit that included AA?
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 19 @ 9:17 AM ET
Zaitsev is a "no way" IMO. Let the Leafs pay for their mistake.
- grahamzky

1000%
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

May 19 @ 9:21 AM ET
No to Kadri in any deal.

Love Ehlers, but he does have hands of stone.

If Dano could do what Tanev does, it would be half of Tanev’s speed.

Poolman , if healthy, has a guaranteed spot next year. He didn’t sign a 3 year deal, to be a Moose. Promises were made, I am sure.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 19 @ 10:02 AM ET
No to Kadri in any deal.

Love Ehlers, but he does have hands of stone.

If Dano could do what Tanev does, it would be half of Tanev’s speed.

Poolman , if healthy, has a guaranteed spot next year. He didn’t sign a 3 year deal, to be a Moose. Promises were made, I am sure.

- bennythehat


Not a Kadri fan either, maybe flop Kadri, if obtained, for a RD?
Ehlers - 75G - 30G this season, I promise. lol
Dano - exactly, maybe a career AHL'er
Poolman - injuries? - might be included in a deal for an upgrade? Now if
he could just stay healthy, who knows?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 10:25 AM ET
Why? How is Daley, first rounder and hronek from Detroit and different than the deals you suggested from Detroit that included AA?
- Ross77

I am giving a player of value in return. What Rexypoo is suggesting is that Anaheim is going to trade Lindholm (defenseman who is similar caliber to Trouba) + a first round pick, and a high defensive prospect (a Shea Theodore like player). No one would do that!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 10:28 AM ET
I believe you know what I meant - almost untouchable. They are as close to it as anyone on the Jets. Guess one could include Scheif, Wheeler, Morrissey and Hellebuyck.

The Oilers had McJesus and Draisaitl, and how'd they make out? Wonder if teams would prefer two $12 million players or four $6 mill players if they had the opportunity? Probably the former?

- grahamzky

They also had no goalie. Crosby and Malkin wouLd have the same issue, if they didn't have Fleury and Murray.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 10:29 AM ET
Why? How is Daley, first rounder and hronek from Detroit and different than the deals you suggested from Detroit that included AA?
- Ross77

I like how you always come in to protect Rexypoo. Let him stand up for himself.
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 19 @ 11:05 AM ET
I am giving a player of value in return. What Rexypoo is suggesting is that Anaheim is going to trade Lindholm (defenseman who is similar caliber to Trouba) + a first round pick, and a high defensive prospect (a Shea Theodore like player). No one would do that!
- TheUltimateJet


Well, see, that’s not what I said. What I said was a Lindholm OR the package deal I described
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 19 @ 11:06 AM ET
Oh I am sorry, forgot your opinion is fact!!!!
- TheUltimateJet


That isn’t my opinion. That’s how he’ll be seen. Esa Lindell just got 5.8x6 for being average because of John Klingberg. What will Trouba command for doing way, way more by himself?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 11:18 AM ET
That isn’t my opinion. That’s how he’ll be seen. Esa Lindell just got 5.8x6 for being average because of John Klingberg. What will Trouba command for doing way, way more by himself?
- Rexypoo

What has he done by himself? All Trouba has to say is that he will not sign with anybody this summer long term and the Jets get screwed when trying to trade him.

I believe based on news reports that the young vs. Old divide in the locker room is Byfuglien vs. Trouba. I think the Jets would be wise to try and dump Byfuglien and sign Trouba.
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 19 @ 11:42 AM ET
What has he done by himself? All Trouba has to say is that he will not sign with anybody this summer long term and the Jets get screwed when trying to trade him.

I believe based on news reports that the young vs. Old divide in the locker room is Byfuglien vs. Trouba. I think the Jets would be wise to try and dump Byfuglien and sign Trouba.

- TheUltimateJet


Trouba dropped 50 points, and held down a playoff team’s blueline by himself for long stretches

I haven’t heard that Trouba/Buff thing once, but I can see how those two personalities might be at odds from time to time.

Everything I’ve heard is Scheifele and the kids VS Maurice with Wheeler as the pissed off middle man
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 12:00 PM ET
Trouba dropped 50 points, and held down a playoff team’s blueline by himself for long stretches

I haven’t heard that Trouba/Buff thing once, but I can see how those two personalities might be at odds from time to time.

Everything I’ve heard is Scheifele and the kids VS Maurice with Wheeler as the pissed off middle man

- Rexypoo

In an earlier comment about Ehlers, Rexypoo, you said that points don't matter. So I am going To dismiss the 50 point things you said.

Trouba's biggest gripe has always been that he wants to be the man. The whole I "only play the right side" and want to be main power play guy comes into effect. How is he supposed to be that man if Byfuglien is here. It could also be a reason why Bogosian wanted out of Winnipeg too.

I think if Byfuglien is traded, there is a greater chance that Trouba stays in Winnipeg, especially given his relationship with Copp and Scheifele.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 12:04 PM ET
And? Points aren’t typically a reliable measuring stick for players. Actually, I never look at points when comparing players.

Nikolaj Ehlers is our best winger, by some distance, and would likely hit 90 points with a full season of Scheifele and a team with a system that doesn’t drown all offensive players

- Rexypoo

Just so you didn't forget. Especially about the part that points don't provide a reliable measuring stick.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 19 @ 12:47 PM ET
That isn’t my opinion. That’s how he’ll be seen. Esa Lindell just got 5.8x6 for being average because of John Klingberg. What will Trouba command for doing way, way more by himself?
- Rexypoo


$7-$7.5 - five/six years?
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 19 @ 12:49 PM ET
They also had no goalie. Crosby and Malkin wouLd have the same issue, if they didn't have Fleury and Murray.
- TheUltimateJet


Yea, after all their ridiculous contracts - Lucic, Sekera, etc - they had no $$$ left for a goalie. Who knew? But the tender is only as good as the team in front of him.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 19 @ 12:54 PM ET
Trouba dropped 50 points, and held down a playoff team’s blueline by himself for long stretches

I haven’t heard that Trouba/Buff thing once, but I can see how those two personalities might be at odds from time to time.

Everything I’ve heard is Scheifele and the kids VS Maurice with Wheeler as the pissed off middle man

- Rexypoo


Always felt, watching them, that their was a split between Buff and Trouba/Myers. Myers (and Trouba actually) always seemed to play better when Buff wasn't there.

Know they said on pre-game that C Blake and Ass't Buff were like polar opposites off the ice. Wonder if that might cause a rift, even though they have played together since World War 1?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 19 @ 1:05 PM ET
Always felt, watching them, that their was a split between Buff and Trouba/Myers. Myers (and Trouba actually) always seemed to play better when Buff wasn't there.

Know they said on pre-game that C Blake and Ass't Buff were like polar opposites off the ice. Wonder if that might cause a rift, even though they have played together since World War 1?

- grahamzky

Think about Buffs history. Though I wasn't a big Kane fan, throwing his stuff in the shower was a bully move. Who's to say it stops with just Evander Kane? I think the Jets best move is to move the Big Dog and sign Trouba.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 19 @ 1:14 PM ET
Think about Buffs history. Though I wasn't a big Kane fan, throwing his stuff in the shower was a bully move. Who's to say it stops with just Evander Kane? I think the Jets best move is to move the Big Dog and sign Trouba.
- TheUltimateJet


I'd be fine with that - but the question remains, does Trouba want to sign here? All the evidence thus far says "no."
The Jets cannot afford (not talking financially) to lose all of Trouba, Buff and Myers. I'm okay with moving Buff and re-signing Trouba and Myers.
Kane? Couldn't have happened to a better guy!
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

May 19 @ 1:28 PM ET
Ultimate is in an ornery mood today.
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

May 19 @ 1:34 PM ET
Trouba dropped 50 points, and held down a playoff team’s blueline by himself for long stretches

I haven’t heard that Trouba/Buff thing once, but I can see how those two personalities might be at odds from time to time.

Everything I’ve heard is Scheifele and the kids VS Maurice with Wheeler as the pissed off middle man

- Rexypoo


And what stat should I be looking at to verify this point about Trouba Rexypoo?
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

May 19 @ 4:48 PM ET
Re: Maurice vs the youngsters
Players hated Bowman and Keenan but they won.
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