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kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 27 @ 4:43 PM ET
Sitting on my back deck in the warm sun, grilled cheese and beer for lunch, slapping around an alt-right doofus. Life is fun right now.
- bloatedmosquito

Ad hominem attacks just show the quality of your arguments... Lol.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 27 @ 5:21 PM ET
Ad hominem attacks just show the quality of your arguments... Lol.
- kaptaan

And your posts show the "quality" of your arguments. šŸ˜‰
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 27 @ 5:27 PM ET
Ad hominem attacks just show the quality of your arguments... Lol.
- kaptaan


Just taking a page from Trump. Iā€™m playing by his rules. Thatā€™s only fair correct?

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 27 @ 5:34 PM ET
Hopefully you're adding bleach to your beer.
- Marwood


No need, our lord and saviour Trump (the true messiah) will protect me against all ills, taxes, and socialism.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

May 27 @ 6:08 PM ET
Ad hominem attacks just show the quality of your arguments... Lol.
- kaptaan

You're going to take some hydroxychloroquine right?

I mean as a staunch supporter of the product that's the least you can do. Test it out for the rest of us and praise it's benefits?

Just think of all the Chinese and Indians you can save by not catching covid and passing it along in your social circles.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 27 @ 6:19 PM ET
Just taking a page from Trump. Iā€™m playing by his rules. Thatā€™s only fair correct?
- bloatedmosquito

I doubt that I've called you names or made any personal attacks. I don't really care what Trump does. I don't support him personally. It's his agenda that I support.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 27 @ 6:20 PM ET
You're going to take some hydroxychloroquine right?

I mean as a staunch supporter of the product that's the least you can do. Test it out for the rest of us and praise it's benefits?

Just think of all the Chinese and Indians you can save by not catching covid and passing it along in your social circles.

- golfingsince

I'm practicing social distancing. Also, doctors don't prescribe it willy nilly, or as a preventative.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

May 27 @ 8:06 PM ET
I accidentally flagged Marwood, please disregard.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

May 27 @ 8:09 PM ET
I'm practicing social distancing. Also, doctors don't prescribe it willy nilly, or as a preventative.
- kaptaan



has discovered that ingesting hydroxychloroquine can help healthy individuals fend off the coronavirus...

The ICMR issued an advisory last week to drastically expand the use of hydroxychloroquine in an attempt to save lives throughout India. They conducted three separate studies to come to their conclusion that taking hydroxychloroquine can prevent coronavirus.

The ICMR is now encouraging essential workers such as cops, paramilitary, surveillance staff, and medical personnel to take hydroxychloroquine as ā€œpreventive therapy.


Sounds like itā€™s being touted as preventative.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 27 @ 8:37 PM ET
has discovered that ingesting hydroxychloroquine can help healthy individuals fend off the coronavirus...

The ICMR issued an advisory last week to drastically expand the use of hydroxychloroquine in an attempt to save lives throughout India. They conducted three separate studies to come to their conclusion that taking hydroxychloroquine can prevent coronavirus.

The ICMR is now encouraging essential workers such as cops, paramilitary, surveillance staff, and medical personnel to take hydroxychloroquine as ā€œpreventive therapy.


Sounds like itā€™s being touted as preventative.

- CubanBuffet

Preventative perhaps but it's efficacy as a treatment is disputed as more information comes in.

Dr. Fauci:
But clearly, the scientific data is really quite evident now about the lack of efficacy for it and even the possibility that there could be ā€” not could be, but the likelihood that under certain circumstances, might be rare, but you would see it, adverse events, particularly with regard to cardiovascular and the arrhythmias that may be associated with it. There was suspicion of that for a while. But as data comes in it becomes more clear.

According to a study published in the medical journal The Lancet:
Interpretation
We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.

thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Based on this study:

1) France has banned the use of hydroxychloroquine as treatment for covid-19
https://www.politico.com/...o-cure-coronavirus-283724[url]
and
2) The World Health Organization is temporarily pausing tests of the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus treatment in order to review safety concerns, the agency's director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Monday.
https://www.axios.com/world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine-0467caef-f6ab-4ba8-8b72-8ea0b5fd06d7.html
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 27 @ 8:49 PM ET
I doubt that I've called you names or made any personal attacks. I don't really care what Trump does. I don't support him personally. It's his agenda that I support.
- kaptaan


A few weeks ago you said Trump might be top three presidents ever. I responded with there are four on Mount Rushmore, which one gets the boot?
You didnā€™t respond.
That sounds like someone who supports Trump personally.

And regarding the name calling; donā€™t be such a baby. One crybaby is enough, no need for more.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 27 @ 8:55 PM ET
A few weeks ago you said Trump might be top three presidents ever. I responded with there are four on Mount Rushmore, which one gets the boot?
You didnā€™t respond.
That sounds like someone who supports Trump personally.

And regarding the name calling; donā€™t be such a baby. One crybaby is enough, no need for more.

- bloatedmosquito

CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

May 27 @ 9:49 PM ET
Preventative perhaps but it's efficacy as a treatment is disputed as more information comes in.

Dr. Fauci:
But clearly, the scientific data is really quite evident now about the lack of efficacy for it and even the possibility that there could be ā€” not could be, but the likelihood that under certain circumstances, might be rare, but you would see it, adverse events, particularly with regard to cardiovascular and the arrhythmias that may be associated with it. There was suspicion of that for a while. But as data comes in it becomes more clear.

According to a study published in the medical journal The Lancet:
Interpretation
We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.

thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Based on this study:

1) France has banned the use of hydroxychloroquine as treatment for covid-19
https://www.politico.com/...o-cure-coronavirus-283724

- RealityChecker[url]
and
2) The World Health Organization is temporarily pausing tests of the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus treatment in order to review safety concerns, the agency's director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Monday.
https://www.axios.com/world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine-0467caef-f6ab-4ba8-8b72-8ea0b5fd06d7.html



I canā€™t tell if youā€™re providing supplemental information to my post or if you think Iā€™m actually advocating chloroquine.

I would no more use chloroquine to treat Covid than I would use penicillin to treat cancer.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 27 @ 10:00 PM ET
has discovered that ingesting hydroxychloroquine can help healthy individuals fend off the coronavirus...

The ICMR issued an advisory last week to drastically expand the use of hydroxychloroquine in an attempt to save lives throughout India. They conducted three separate studies to come to their conclusion that taking hydroxychloroquine can prevent coronavirus.

The ICMR is now encouraging essential workers such as cops, paramilitary, surveillance staff, and medical personnel to take hydroxychloroquine as ā€œpreventive therapy.


Sounds like itā€™s being touted as preventative.

- CubanBuffet

I'm not in India. I was pointing out that in India they are using it safely and effectively. Here in Canada they don't prescribe it as a preventative.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 27 @ 10:10 PM ET
A few weeks ago you said Trump might be top three presidents ever. I responded with there are four on Mount Rushmore, which one gets the boot?
You didnā€™t respond.
That sounds like someone who supports Trump personally.

And regarding the name calling; donā€™t be such a baby. One crybaby is enough, no need for more.

- bloatedmosquito

I like the direction of his immigration policies, foreign policy positions, re-arming the military, trade deals and focus on domestic manufacturing, prioritized arresting human traffickers and child predators, creating second chances for incarcerated minorities to become productive citizens, veterans affairs reorganization, stream lining the EPA, climate policy, pressuring China, improving/ cleaning up urban centres, etc etc
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 27 @ 10:15 PM ET
I canā€™t tell if youā€™re providing supplemental information to my post or if you think Iā€™m actually advocating chloroquine.

I would no more use chloroquine to treat Covid than I would use penicillin to treat cancer.

- CubanBuffet

it was an add-on to your post.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 27 @ 10:22 PM ET
I like the direction of his immigration policies, foreign policy positions, re-arming the military, trade deals and focus on domestic manufacturing, prioritized arresting human traffickers and child predators, creating second chances for incarcerated minorities to become productive citizens, veterans affairs reorganization, stream lining the EPA, climate policy, pressuring China, improving/ cleaning up urban centres, etc etc
- kaptaan

CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

May 27 @ 10:47 PM ET

- RealityChecker


Finally, someone acknowledges a legit news source.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 28 @ 8:15 AM ET

- RealityChecker

I don't watch Fox news, except for maybe the occasional Tucker Carlton that might show up on Jimmy Dore's show, or if I see something somewhere else about a story he did or reported on.
By the way, I supported a lot of Bernie's agenda. Corporate neo cons aren't who I support.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 28 @ 8:41 AM ET
I don't watch Fox news, except for maybe the occasional Tucker Carlton that might show up on Jimmy Dore's show, or if I see something somewhere else about a story he did or reported on.
By the way, I supported a lot of Bernie's agenda. Corporate neo cons aren't who I support.

- kaptaan

So you support Trump the neo-corporate socialist?
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 28 @ 10:48 AM ET

- RealityChecker

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 28 @ 11:10 AM ET
I don't watch Fox news, except for maybe the occasional Tucker Carlton that might show up on Jimmy Dore's show, or if I see something somewhere else about a story he did or reported on.
By the way, I supported a lot of Bernie's agenda. Corporate neo cons aren't who I support.

- kaptaan


Jimmy Dore is one confused American. One minute heā€™s a Democrat, the next heā€™s a progressive Republican, then a Trumper, lastly a Bernie Bro. But Iā€™ll admit some of his comedy is funny.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 28 @ 11:24 AM ET
So you support Trump the neo-corporate socialist?
- RealityChecker


Iā€™m starting to figure Kap out. I donā€™t think heā€™s loyal to any one party or person. Kapā€™s true love is a good conspiracy. If someone says the establishment (whoever that may be at the time) is out to get you, Kapā€™s all ears. Heā€™s hooked and all youā€™d have to do is reel him in. He wonā€™t fight it.

Hence his Bernie support comment. Bernie started with the ā€œTHEY donā€™t want us to winā€ and that got Kapā€™s attention.

This is why I made a comment to Lefty about his bastard child of Castro post. It might have been a joke but some people just eat that poop up.

It comes down to cynicism. Thatā€™s the alter that Kap and his ilk worship at.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 28 @ 11:40 AM ET
Iā€™m starting to figure Kap out. I donā€™t think heā€™s loyal to any one party or person. Kapā€™s true love is a good conspiracy. If someone says the establishment (whoever that may be at the time) is out to get you, Kapā€™s all ears. Heā€™s hooked and all youā€™d have to do is reel him in. He wonā€™t fight it.

Hence his Bernie support comment. Bernie started with the ā€œTHEY donā€™t want us to winā€ and that got Kapā€™s attention.

This is why I made a comment to Lefty about his bastard child of Castro post. It might have been a joke but some people just eat that poop up.

It comes down to cynicism. Thatā€™s the alter that Kap and his ilk worship at.

- bloatedmosquito

And he's a racist.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 28 @ 11:43 AM ET
Iā€™m starting to figure Kap out. I donā€™t think heā€™s loyal to any one party or person. Kapā€™s true love is a good conspiracy. If someone says the establishment (whoever that may be at the time) is out to get you, Kapā€™s all ears. Heā€™s hooked and all youā€™d have to do is reel him in. He wonā€™t fight it.

Hence his Bernie support comment. Bernie started with the ā€œTHEY donā€™t want us to winā€ and that got Kapā€™s attention.

This is why I made a comment to Lefty about his bastard child of Castro post. It might have been a joke but some people just eat that poop up.

It comes down to cynicism. Thatā€™s the alter that Kap and his ilk worship at.

- bloatedmosquito

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