Most overrated is definitely Brodie, which is actually a good thing right now because it should make him easier to move (assuming of course other GMs also overrate him).

Also I know Monahan has become the scapegoat but let's stop acting like he's the only member of the top line that disappeared down the stretch. I don't think it's fair to pin it all on Monahan. It's one thing if he was struggling but Gaudreau and Lindholm were continuing to light it up but that isn't what happened. The entire top line was invisible for a good stretch. I don't know why, but they were. There's tons of blame to go around for that.
- Helios

Exactly!
Monahan hasn't changed his game, clutch scorer, streaky, non physical, maybe he's not the #1 Center, but until you have better he's the best we got. Unless we're trading for a better option, I see no sense in trading him away. We know Tre's history in free agency and don't want to go down that road again. Drafting later in the 1st round limits success although it has been done.

The whole team, for what ever reason lost its edge in the last month and a half of the season. Defence one of our strengths was invisible in the playoffs. There's something to be said about peeking at the right time.

Listening to the Fan this morning and guys talking about Monahan's "disappearing" in the last 40 games of the season... where he scored at a point per game pace.

I get the notion of trading him for something you don't have, but what is that exactly for the Flames? You need a #1 centre in return, and it's pretty rare to see #1 centres swap teams, so I'm really not sure what people are expecting if you move him. Like it or lump it, if you deal Monahan right now, you're likely getting a very similar player in return, so you're probably just trading problems at the end of the day.

Listening to the Fan this morning and guys talking about Monahan's "disappearing" in the last 40 games of the season... where he scored at a point per game pace.

I get the notion of trading him for something you don't have, but what is that exactly for the Flames? You need a #1 centre in return, and it's pretty rare to see #1 centres swap teams, so I'm really not sure what people are expecting if you move him. Like it or lump it, if you deal Monahan right now, you're likely getting a very similar player in return, so you're probably just trading problems at the end of the day.
- rmull905

Yeah, he's actually very hard to replace. After reading many of the comments on Monahan, I think he's my pick for most underrated player. All he's done is lead the team in goals since he got here and is centering one of the better lines in hockey. If he was able to stay healthy, I don't think anyone would be complaining.

Yeah, he's actually very hard to replace. After reading many of the comments on Monahan, I think he's my pick for most underrated player. All he's done is lead the team in goals since he got here and is centering one of the better lines in hockey. If he was able to stay healthy, I don't think anyone would be complaining.
- tincup

Also, what is mind boggling, is the fact we finished 2nd best in the entire league last year. If you stop to think about that accomplishment, then the talk of trading everyone & blowing things up is insanity. There are moves that Tre needs to make just as part of the cycle of NHL life & cap. Thats why the to do list should be, trade Brodie for best return he can, find a way to trade Stone, get Tkachuk, Bennett, Ritter & Hathaway resigned, trade Frolik if trade makes sense & see if there is a GM willing to take a chance that Neal's year was an anomaly & they are getting a top 6 forward that scores 20+ goals. Lets get back to the playoffs & then maybe, make some rental deals at the TDL. Stay the fck away from Free Agency Frenzy come July 1 too

Also, what is mind boggling, is the fact we finished 2nd best in the entire league last year. If you stop to think about that accomplishment, then the talk of trading everyone & blowing things up is insanity. There are moves that Tre needs to make just as part of the cycle of NHL life & cap. Thats why the to do list should be, trade Brodie for best return he can, find a way to trade Stone, get Tkachuk, Bennett, Ritter & Hathaway resigned, trade Frolik if trade makes sense & see if there is a GM willing to take a chance that Neal's year was an anomaly & they are getting a top 6 forward that scores 20+ goals. Lets get back to the playoffs & then maybe, make some rental deals at the TDL. Stay the fck away from Free Agency Frenzy come July 1 too
- Kevin R

Yeah, it's a little infuriating frankly - no, he is not physical (a lot of #1's are not overly physical guys, so this is a dumb argument IMO), yes Johnny drives a lot of the line's play because the Flames have strategized that way, but Mony is a finisher and you need that alongside Johnny as well. Now, if you want to go get a Tom Wilson type who can score and create space to play with them, go right ahead. I think that's what they hoped Neal would be for them. Chucky can be that, but frankly he's more Marchand than Wilson.

Trading Monahan, unless you get a bonafide #1 that replaces his production is just stupid. This organization suffered for more than a decade in trying to find a centre to play with Iggy, and now that we have one, we want to trade him all of a sudden?

There are likely zero teams out there that would make that move 1 for 1 - you're more likely to have to make a series of trades to come to that result, making hockey deals similar to Johannsen/Jones deal a few years back.

Wanna deal Juuso for Malkin-type (ie, a team looking to move a 1/1A centre) and then ship Backs or Mony out for a dman? All for it. But until someone comes up with something that makes sense for our top line centre replacement, you can GFY.

Hamilton trade worked last year because we were rich on D, could take a bit of a work in progress back in Hanifin and the valued piece of the deal was Lindholm. Even so, a lot of people weren't all that happy at the time of the trade, and thankfully it worked out well for both sides.

Over Rated - Brodie, Backlund
Under Rated - Czarnik, Valimaki
Best Player - Gaudreau(best skill) Giordano (most heart)
Best New Addition - Lindholm, Hanifin
Could Surprise - Valimaki, Kylington
Takes a Leap - Andersson, Jankowski
Prove it Year - Bennett, Rittich

Also I know Monahan has become the scapegoat but let's stop acting like he's the only member of the top line that disappeared down the stretch. I don't think it's fair to pin it all on Monahan. It's one thing if he was struggling but Gaudreau and Lindholm were continuing to light it up but that isn't what happened. The entire top line was invisible for a good stretch. I don't know why, but they were. There's tons of blame to go around for that.
- Helios

This ^^^

Overrated: Lindholm
Underrated: Would've said Giordano but he's finally getting the credit he deserves so I will say Backlund
Key Pickup: Zucker seems like the most likely option
Best Player: Giordano this past season, Gaudreau long term
Could surprise: Valimaki, really think he could establish a spot in the top 4 potentially early on in the year
Takes a leap: Andersson, I think we'll see him on the top pairing with Gio from game 1 until the end of the season
Prove it year: Neal but also think Hanifin has to have a good year too

Overrated: Lindholm
Underrated: Would've said Giordano but he's finally getting the credit he deserves so I will say Backlund
Key Pickup: Zucker seems like the most likely option
Best Player: Giordano this past season, Gaudreau long term
Could surprise: Valimaki, really think he could establish a spot in the top 4 potentially early on in the year
Takes a leap: Andersson, I think we'll see him on the top pairing with Gio from game 1 until the end of the season
Prove it year: Neal but also think Hanifin has to have a good year too
- FLAM3SFAN

Really think Lindholm is over rated???? I would put him in surprise of the year category. His cap hit is a steal.

Overrated: Lindholm
Underrated: Would've said Giordano but he's finally getting the credit he deserves so I will say Backlund
Key Pickup: Zucker seems like the most likely option
Best Player: Giordano this past season, Gaudreau long term
Could surprise: Valimaki, really think he could establish a spot in the top 4 potentially early on in the year
Takes a leap: Andersson, I think we'll see him on the top pairing with Gio from game 1 until the end of the season
Prove it year: Neal but also think Hanifin has to have a good year too
- FLAM3SFAN

Is the feeling that Hanifin did not have a good year? 33 points, pretty much his career average, more TOI, more defensive zone starts, less power play time (on average) than the year before, fewer goals but more assists...

I think that's a pretty decent season by many accounts for a 2nd pairing dman. What he does need to fix are the giveaways though, he committed a lot more this year than last. Always agree that you'd like to see more, but I thought he was fine this year, and given more PP time next year, betting his point rates start to increase a bit.

Brodie is definitely the most underrated. He's a top 3 defenceman on pretty much any team in the league on a great contract, yet most fans can't wait to get rid of him.

Brodie is definitely the most underrated. He's a top 3 defenceman on pretty much any team in the league on a great contract, yet most fans can't wait to get rid of him.
- Hunkulese

One of two things...either we are watching different Brodies, or, your related to him. Nothing personal, just skeptical of the assessment.

Brodie is definitely the most underrated. He's a top 3 defenceman on pretty much any team in the league on a great contract, yet most fans can't wait to get rid of him.
- Hunkulese

He is a top 3 .... when he's not setting up the other team for breakaways and other odd man rushes.

He is a top 3 .... when he's not setting up the other team for breakaways and other odd man rushes.
- tincup

Brodie is a bonafide 3-4, plays the minutes 20+, has offensive upside 30+ points per season, he should easily get the same return Hamonic got, 1st & a 2nd if we only wanted picks. Personally, I would be ok with just picks & keep the cap space or if he is part of bringing a player like Kadri back. Either or.

Brodie is a bonafide 3-4, plays the minutes 20+, has offensive upside 30+ points per season, he should easily get the same return Hamonic got, 1st & a 2nd if we only wanted picks. Personally, I would be ok with just picks & keep the cap space or if he is part of bringing a player like Kadri back. Either or.
- Kevin R

Dude if you think 1 year of Brodie at 4.65/year easily gets you the same return as 3 years of Hamonic at 3.85/year, I really hope you're the GM Tree is dealing with on the Brodie trade.

Not a FRANKING chance Brodie brings back the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds!

Dude if you think 1 year of Brodie at 4.65/year easily gets you the same return as 3 years of Hamonic at 3.85/year, I really hope you're the GM Tree is dealing with on the Brodie trade.

Not a FRANKING chance Brodie brings back the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds!
- DEDDIE

You underestimate the value of 30+ points from the backend. Hamonic & Brodie have way different styles & the puck moving Brodie seems to be the flavour GM's are looking for. Hamonic doesnt play PP, Brodie does. We'll see.

Dude if you think 1 year of Brodie at 4.65/year easily gets you the same return as 3 years of Hamonic at 3.85/year, I really hope you're the GM Tree is dealing with on the Brodie trade.

Not a FRANKING chance Brodie brings back the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds!
- DEDDIE

You never know. Brodie's value is probably similar to Muzzin's for the right team. Muzzin got the King's the equivalent of a 1st and 2 2nds for 1.5 years of Muzzin. Brodie could probably get a 1st and a decent prospect.

Islanders could be a good fit.

You underestimate the value of 30+ points from the backend. Hamonic & Brodie have way different styles & the puck moving Brodie seems to be the flavour GM's are looking for. Hamonic doesnt play PP, Brodie does. We'll see.
- Kevin R

Brodie in his contract year, yes. Brodie in the summer of 2019, no. When he signed it was a great deal but was based on his play that season and the promise of upside. He regressed. He had a better year than last but was paired with Gio (again) and was still not the player he was two years ago.

He won't get a Muzzin return but also isn't in the Phaneuf territory. To me if we didn't see Andersson, Vali, Kylington all show they are capable, everyday NHL'rs, Brodie would stay but their play makes him trade bait. Hamonic and Brodie are not comparable. To me Andersson and Brodie are fair comparisons and that leaves Brodie somewhere else come training camp.

You never know. Brodie's value is probably similar to Muzzin's for the right team. Muzzin got the King's the equivalent of a 1st and 2 2nds for 1.5 years of Muzzin. Brodie could probably get a 1st and a decent prospect.

Islanders could be a good fit.
- Hunkulese

Ya they would be a good fit for them and they have quite a few prospects that would fill some needs in the Calgary depth charts. I would even take a flyer on HoSang and a pick.

Ya they would be a good fit for them and they have quite a few prospects that would fill some needs in the Calgary depth charts. I would even take a flyer on HoSang and a pick.
- buddy_doug

I hope you Brodie fans are right as if Tree can get a first or better for him most Flames fans would be ecstatic. I predict a 2nd and maybe a 3rd is the return on TJ.
Ho Sang is a cancer.

I hope you Brodie fans are right as if Tree can get a first or better for him most Flames fans would be ecstatic. I predict a 2nd and maybe a 3rd is the return on TJ.
Ho Sang is a cancer.
- DEDDIE

Brodie would get a 1st & 2nd at the TDL as a rental. But if he's in Calgary at the TDL then I dont see Flames trading him (assuming we are a playoff team at that time)

A full year of Brodie & first pop at getting him extended isnt a bad thing for a team that really needs an offensive 3-4 D that is mobile & can play PP & over 20 minutes a game. I am just glad you arent Tre & underselling your assets.

Agree with you on Ho-Sang.

You never know. Brodie's value is probably similar to Muzzin's for the right team. Muzzin got the King's the equivalent of a 1st and 2 2nds for 1.5 years of Muzzin. Brodie could probably get a 1st and a decent prospect.

Islanders could be a good fit.
- Hunkulese

I kind of have to agree with DEDDIE on this. with only 1 year left he doesn't have the same worth that Hamonic had when we acquired him. Saying that, so much depends on the market. Tre has to get a good return; a 1st and at least 1x2nd or possibly 3rd. or get a top 6 scoring winger or equivalent. Otherwise he's worth more to us on the team and we look for a worthy return come TDL time.

Brodie would get a 1st & 2nd at the TDL as a rental. But if he's in Calgary at the TDL then I dont see Flames trading him (assuming we are a playoff team at that time)

A full year of Brodie & first pop at getting him extended isnt a bad thing for a team that really needs an offensive 3-4 D that is mobile & can play PP & over 20 minutes a game. I am just glad you arent Tre & underselling your assets.

Agree with you on Ho-Sang.
- Kevin R

Touche

Touche
- DEDDIE

You know we both can be right here in that it isnt unusual to see a conditional component of a higher or extra pick if Brodie resigns with that team. No?

Gaudreau for Brayden Point