That sounds like a terrible deal for Florida, even as good as Malkin is.
- jmatchett383

Not worth trading Malkin. I wouldn’t do this.

I’d probably try a Colin Miller or Nate Schmidt + Alex Tuch or William Karlsson or Marchessault for Letang + Prospect + Pick
- Barnaby36

Might want Vegas to throw in a 4 or 5 consecutive first round picks to even that out. Also, make sure they retain 50% salary on every contract.

That sounds like a terrible deal for Florida, even as good as Malkin is.
- jmatchett383

That's the problem with throwing out trade suggestions here... most Pens fans would complain about that return when just about any other fan would think it's a great deal for Pittsburgh.

Might want Vegas to throw in a 4 or 5 consecutive first round picks to even that out. Also, make sure they retain 50% salary on every contract.
- jmatchett383

What’s wrong with the deal? Is Letang better than Miller or Schmidt (CHECK).
Is he worth more? (CHECK)
Putting TUCH in the deal would cost more? (CHECK)
That’s why you’d add a Prospect + Pick (which I didn’t say if it would be a 2nd or 3rd or 7th Round Pick)

You’re just trying to sound smart here. Try to propose something instead of just being an ass.

You're never going to get full value for Geno and you don't move him unless you can. Let's say you get a 2nd line center, a 1st rounder and two top prospects.

1) He has a NMC. He's certainly not going going to a bottom-feeder at this point, so any 1st rounder that gets him will wind up being a pretty low pick considering how much better they will be with him there.

2) Any team would love to get Geno, but let's put a few things into reality. He's 32 making $9.5M. Any 2nd line center worth it for the Pens in a trade like this will likely be younger and half the price. That will be financially difficult to navigate. Consider whatever team he would theoretically decide to go would be a decent team which means they're likely not a a cap-floor team.

3) The prospect game is very iffy. You get one, maybe two "top prospects" who may never pan out.

Unless he requests a trade, this is a terrible idea in every sense of the word.

That's the problem with throwing out trade suggestions here... most Pens fans would complain about that return when just about any other fan would think it's a great deal for Pittsburgh.
- MacPatty

When you trade a star player, you rarely (if ever) get the better side of the deal. Sure, you can get picks or prospects that can become stars in the future, but getting 3-4 B+ players for 1 A+ player does not happen. And the whole "+picks + prospects" thing is crap, because most picks and prospects have minimal value.

Realistically, if you trade Malkin, I think a realistic return, depending on the team construction and recent success, would be a middle-6 winger, a bottom-4 defenseman, a 1st rounder, and a 2nd rounder. That's not a shot at Malkin, but there are two types of team that would want him:

1) A top contender: As much as Malkin could be the "missing piece", they're not going to tear apart large chunks of their contending team to add him
2) Rebuilders/bubble teams: They don't have a dying need for him because they're looking for youth and, while he would be a welcome addition, they're not going to sacrifice their young players and high picks for him.

You're never going to get full value for Geno and you don't move him unless you can. Let's say you get a 2nd line center, a 1st rounder and two top prospects.

1) He has a NMC. He's certainly not going going to a bottom-feeder at this point, so any 1st rounder that gets him will wind up being a pretty low pick considering how much better they will be with him there.

2) Any team would love to get Geno, but let's put a few things into reality. He's 32 making $9.5M. Any 2nd line center worth it for the Pens in a trade like this will likely be younger and half the price. That will be financially difficult to navigate. Consider whatever team he would theoretically decide to go would be a decent team which means they're likely not a a cap-floor team.

3) The prospect game is very iffy. You get one, maybe two "top prospects" who may never pan out.

Unless he requests a trade, this is a terrible idea in every sense of the word.
- Rinosaur

Malkin for Nielsen, Rasmussen, Svechnikov, and a 2020 1st.

Malkin for Nielsen, Rasmussen, Svechnikov, and a 2020 1st.
- Feds91Stammer

Out of many proposals the Pens would have, that would probably be one of the better ones and I still wouldn't do it.

Any trade the Pens make needs to keep them competitive for this window and Nielsen doesn't, but I love those prospects and that pick will probably be ok.

Pages and pages regarding trading Malkin

F that.

The only thing that would make sense in a Geno trade, WHICH I'M STILL 100% AGAINST, is getting no major players back. This is probably the most unlikely scenario.

If you trade Geno, I honestly think the best approach is to send him for all futures, many of them along with maybe one bottom six roster player.

Then? You go HARD after Duchene with Hayes being a consolation prize and you know what? Even that idea sucks.

DON'T TRADE GENO

When you trade a star player, you rarely (if ever) get the better side of the deal. Sure, you can get picks or prospects that can become stars in the future, but getting 3-4 B+ players for 1 A+ player does not happen. And the whole "+picks + prospects" thing is crap, because most picks and prospects have minimal value.

Realistically, if you trade Malkin, I think a realistic return, depending on the team construction and recent success, would be a middle-6 winger, a bottom-4 defenseman, a 1st rounder, and a 2nd rounder. That's not a shot at Malkin, but there are two types of team that would want him:

1) A top contender: As much as Malkin could be the "missing piece", they're not going to tear apart large chunks of their contending team to add him
2) Rebuilders/bubble teams: They don't have a dying need for him because they're looking for youth and, while he would be a welcome addition, they're not going to sacrifice their young players and high picks for him.
- jmatchett383

I agree and have said it all along... if the Pens trade Malkin they will likely lose the deal on paper.

There are only a few unique situations where a Malkin trade would work. Florida and Arizona come to mind as small market teams trying to make a push for the playoffs and could use a big name to get people in the stands.

What’s wrong with the deal? Is Letang better than Miller or Schmidt (CHECK).
Is he worth more? (CHECK)
Putting TUCH in the deal would cost more? (CHECK)
That’s why you’d add a Prospect + Pick (which I didn’t say if it would be a 2nd or 3rd or 7th Round Pick)

You’re just trying to sound smart here. Try to propose something instead of just being an ass.
- Barnaby36

You can't just say "+ prospects and picks" because, unless it's A-grade prospects or 1st/2nd round picks, they have almost no value.

You want a REALISTIC trade for Letang:

Letang, Hallander, and a 1st to Buffalo for Brandon Montour and Sam Reinhart and a 3rd.

This gives Buffalo a legit top-pair defenseman to pair with Dahlin, and helps them in their push back to the playoffs plus an additional 1st rounder and a young center.

For Pittsburgh, they get a young top-6 center and a young top-4 defender who have seen upticks in production each of the last 3 years.

I think that is about the best they could do. I couldn't find another fit that made sense, although I think that there is a deal with Vegas.

And you know what? Thinking about it, even this a trade I don't think either team would make. No team will give up top young talent of even value for Letang, and I don't think the Pens would want to move him unless they "win" the deal with top young talent.

I agree and have said it all along... if the Pens trade Malkin they will likely lose the deal on paper.

There are only a few unique situations where a Malkin trade would work. Florida and Arizona come to mind as small market teams trying to make a push for the playoffs and could use a big name to get people in the stands.
- MacPatty

I don't know Geno from a hole in the wall and I can guarantee you there's probably only three or four teams he'd accept a trade to, and you can bet AZ is not one of them.

Trading Geno and/or Letang is complete nonsense.

I agree and have said it all along... if the Pens trade Malkin they will likely lose the deal on paper.

There are only a few unique situations where a Malkin trade would work. Florida and Arizona come to mind as small market teams trying to make a push for the playoffs and could use a big name to get people in the stands.
- MacPatty

Arizona maybe, but neither Arizona or Florida are going deplete the few top young players they have for a 32-year-old center who will probably be in decline when they start pushing strongly. But his NMC has to be taken into account.

I was trying to come up with a Letang to Edmonton trade based around Nurse, but the only realistic add that made sense was Tyler Benson or Cooper Marody.

Out of many proposals the Pens would have, that would probably be one of the better ones and I still wouldn't do it.

Any trade the Pens make needs to keep them competitive for this window and Nielsen doesn't, but I love those prospects and that pick will probably be ok.
- Rinosaur

I certainly understand the arguments for not trading Geno... and the wishes for fans to keep him here. I love the guy and have enjoyed watching him play here...

But the Pens have regressed two seasons in a row now, and say had they lost to the Isles 4-3, or even 4-2, I wouldn't be suggesting they make a couple big moves.

So what IS the fix for this broken window? I'm open-minded... and remember, my proposal of moving 71 and 58 is for now AND later...

You can't just say "+ prospects and picks" because, unless it's A-grade prospects or 1st/2nd round picks, they have almost no value.

You want a REALISTIC trade for Letang:

Letang, Hallander, and a 1st to Buffalo for Brandon Montour and Sam Reinhart and a 3rd.

This gives Buffalo a legit top-pair defenseman to pair with Dahlin, and helps them in their push back to the playoffs plus an additional 1st rounder and a young center.

For Pittsburgh, they get a young top-6 center and a young top-4 defender who have seen upticks in production each of the last 3 years.

I think that is about the best they could do. I couldn't find another fit that made sense, although I think that there is a deal with Vegas.

And you know what? Thinking about it, even this a trade I don't think either team would make. No team will give up top young talent of even value for Letang, and I don't think the Pens would want to move him unless they "win" the deal with top young talent.
- jmatchett383

Why not trading with Vegas so you don’t have to see Letang too often? I’d rather do that. Tuch would be a nice physical winger for Malkin. Miller or Schmidt decent puck movers.
LETANG is not trash. Far from that. You want him, pay for him.

I certainly understand the arguments for not trading Geno... and the wishes for fans to keep him here. I love the guy and have enjoyed watching him play here...

But the Pens have regressed two seasons in a row now, and say had they lost to the Isles 4-3, or even 4-2, I wouldn't be suggesting they make a couple big moves.

So what IS the fix for this broken window? I'm open-minded...
- Cousinskrid

Again, I'd move Horqnvist for the best return, regardless of what it is, try to move both JJ and Gudbranson for whatever (buy out JJ if there is zero market), pursue a UFA like Jake Gardiner (he will be overpaid), fill in the 4th line with some of the RW suggested players, and hope for some better health next year.

Arizona maybe, but neither Arizona or Florida are going deplete the few top young players they have for a 32-year-old center who will probably be in decline when they start pushing strongly. But his NMC has to be taken into account.
- jmatchett383

I think Florida is the team. They are going to go for it this year. Signed Quenneville and cleared cap space to go after Panarin. I think their push starts this year.

I really want Ekblad but I don't think Florida would trade him unless the Pens offered more than just Malkin. Even if the Pens could get Trochek, Noel or Tippett plus a 1st, I would take it in a heartbeat. That extra cap space would be helpful in free agency.

I think Florida is the team. They are going to go for it this year. Signed Quenneville and cleared cap space to go after Panarin. I think their push starts this year.

I really want Ekblad but I don't think Florida would trade him unless the Pens offered more than just Malkin. Even if the Pens could get Trochek, Noel or Tippett plus a 1st, I would take it in a heartbeat. That extra cap space would be helpful in free agency.
- MacPatty

I use to be on the trade Malkin train but this point at his age and history I wouldn't want him if I were another GM for what it would costs. Yeah he puts up good pts/game and has a great skill level but hes also hurt a lot and has been a no show lately in the playoffs. That and what other players are making these days his cap hit doesn't look so bad. You still need to find a #2C and how much do those costs unless you get a solid dude on a ELC? I'm not sure trading him or Letang really make sense.

I do think FLA makes a huge push this year and might be interested but other than Ekblad, Barkov and Luongo I don't know any of their players so I can only assume what would be coming the other way.

It took you 3 paragraphs to state something was too vague? You throw around dummy and retard a lot here... may be time to look in the mirror.
- MacPatty

Nah fam. You’re the retard trying to trade elite talent.

Again, I'd move Horqnvist for the best return, regardless of what it is, try to move both JJ and Gudbranson for whatever (buy out JJ if there is zero market), pursue a UFA like Jake Gardiner (he will be overpaid), fill in the 4th line with some of the RW suggested players, and hope for some better health next year.
- jmatchett383

I don't think Gudbransson is going anywhere, the Pens really like him and I think they are ok with him as a high priced 3rd pair D who can fill in top 4 if/when Letang or Schultz get injured.

Hornquist also... I just don't see them moving him. Had a tough year but he brings a unique element to the Pens that no one else provides.

Why not trading with Vegas so you don’t have to see Letang too often? I’d rather do that. Tuch would be a nice physical winger for Malkin. Miller or Schmidt decent puck movers.
LETANG is not trash. Far from that. You want him, pay for him.
- Barnaby36

I don't think Vegas, who has a legitimate shot at the Stanley CUp this year, and is one year removed from a SCF appearance, feels the need to a top young forward like Tuch. I also don't think they're in a hurry to trade Marchessault or Karlsson, either. That's my problem: they don't NEED to add him.

Sure, if you're in NHL 19, add a 1st or Calen Addison and they'd do it, but Vegas already has a pretty damn good top-4, with both Theodore and either of Miller/Schmidt forming a very good top pair.

So yeah, adding Letang is certainly something they'd like to do. But in order for Vegas to upset their roster, they'd need to win the trade both in the present and the future. So if you want to do a deal, this would be my Vegas proposal:

To VGK: Kris Letang and Dominic Simon
To Pit: Nate Schmidt, Cody Eakin, 2020 2nd

Eakin isn't as young as Tuch, but is he's playing with either of Crosby or Malkin, he's going to give you 45-50 points, and is still only 27. Schmidt is also 27 and, aside from his hiccup this offseason, is a good top-3 defenseman.

Again, you will not "win" the trade with Vegas, because they're dealing from a position of strength. They don't need to change anything, the Penguins would be the ones calling.

I don't think Gudbransson is going anywhere, the Pens really like him and I think they are ok with him as a high priced 3rd pair D who can fill in top 4 if/when Letang or Schultz get injured.

Hornquist also... I just don't see them moving him. Had a tough year but he brings a unique element to the Pens that no one else provides.
- MacPatty

I agree, but I was asked what the fix was, and that is what I would try before I start moving "generational talents" and "elite defensemen."

I think Florida is the team. They are going to go for it this year. Signed Quenneville and cleared cap space to go after Panarin. I think their push starts this year.

I really want Ekblad but I don't think Florida would trade him unless the Pens offered more than just Malkin. Even if the Pens could get Trochek, Noel or Tippett plus a 1st, I would take it in a heartbeat. That extra cap space would be helpful in free agency.
- MacPatty

I don't think Florida would trade Trochek alone for 32-year-old Malkin. They want to build a team for the long haul, and I think they see him as a core piece.

You guys are busy today...

Side note regarding Maatta... pretty sure I read he has a full NTC after next season. I forget where to check those things but if that's true, it may factor into some of your armchair decisions.