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Forums :: Blog World :: Bill Meltzer: On Kate Smith, History and Context
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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 22 @ 11:59 PM ET
Lol did simmonds even play
- Richieattack18

Not that I see. Somehow the trade we were all underwhelmed by is now looking like a steal.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Apr 23 @ 5:17 AM ET
Yea, bring simmer back! To show flyers are progressive l! 👍🥳
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 23 @ 6:42 AM ET
Yea, bring simmer back! To show flyers are progressive l! 👍🥳
- Landsbergfan


Lol
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 23 @ 6:43 AM ET
Not that I see. Somehow the trade we were all underwhelmed by is now looking like a steal.
- hereticpride


I liked the trade
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 23 @ 7:49 AM ET
Yes the world needs good leaders etc etc

Meanwhile

PREDS OUT, their window for how the team is constructed is over, another good trade partner.

The flyers were not going to win this year , watching other contenders hit the wall makes you feel a little better knowing the flyers are in great shape cap, roster and prospect wise.

They need to hit on picks beyond the first round, they do and it will be real interesting
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:51 AM ET
Wondering when the Rolling Stones songs will be banned from any events I mean you can't get much worse than Brown Sugar.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 23 @ 8:21 AM ET
Damn this Nashville power play blows
- Just5


Nashville losing improves the draft pick the Flyers received from them in the Simmonds trade right?
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Apr 23 @ 8:23 AM ET
Yes the world needs good leaders etc etc

Meanwhile

PREDS OUT, their window for how the team is constructed is over, another good trade partner.

The flyers were not going to win this year , watching other contenders hit the wall makes you feel a little better knowing the flyers are in great shape cap, roster and prospect wise.

They need to hit on picks beyond the first round, they do and it will be real interesting

- wcorvette


Winnipeg I believe has a couple of guys who aren’t going to be re-signed also after they loaded up for a cup run.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Apr 23 @ 8:28 AM ET
Nashville losing improves the draft pick the Flyers received from them in the Simmonds trade right?
- PLindbergh31


It’s a 2020 4th round pick and Nashville needs to win a playoff round for that to become a third. The couple of articles I checked didn’t say whether they needed to win a round either this year or next.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 23 @ 8:33 AM ET
It’s a 2020 4th round pick and Nashville needs to win a playoff round for that to become a third. The couple of articles I checked didn’t say whether they needed to win a round this year or next.
- Sublime55


Thanks. I guess being Simmonds contributed nothing to Nashville it didn't go their way.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 23 @ 8:34 AM ET
Simmonds got hurt in game 2, for those assuming he sucked so bad, he got scratched.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 23 @ 8:49 AM ET
Simmonds got hurt in game 2, for those assuming he sucked so bad, he got scratched.
- SuperSchennBros


Yes, I saw he was hit in the kneecap with a shot. But even prior to the playoffs his ice time was diminished and he wasn't playing well for the Preds. Flyers made a wise decision not giving him a contract. It appears his game is declining.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Apr 23 @ 8:50 AM ET
Yes the world needs good leaders etc etc

Meanwhile

PREDS OUT, their window for how the team is constructed is over, another good trade partner.

The flyers were not going to win this year , watching other contenders hit the wall makes you feel a little better knowing the flyers are in great shape cap, roster and prospect wise.

They need to hit on picks beyond the first round, they do and it will be real interesting

- wcorvette

They need to hit on picks beyond the first round, they do and it will be real interesting??? We just need a few of these prospects to be legit players (Frost, Ratcliffe, Farabee) and things will be very interesting.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM ET
Nashville losing improves the draft pick the Flyers received from them in the Simmonds trade right?
- PLindbergh31


I think there’s one more Strome brother to be had this spring
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM ET
I think there’s one more Strome brother to be had this spring
- Just5


They have a ways to go before they catch the Sutter Brothers.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM ET
Wondering when the Rolling Stones songs will be banned from any events I mean you can't get much worse than Brown Sugar.
- bird_dog_pa


Damn, nothing pumps up the crowd at a hockey game more than Brown Sugar.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Apr 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
Yay, more KateSmithBuzz. /yawn

(love how both sides think they're the rational ones)

(i don't believe rational people argue for days on end over the internet about a statue in a parking lot)

- Tomahawk


As opposed to rational people arguing over hockey related stuff for pages upon pages and days upon days?
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Apr 23 @ 11:31 AM ET
Not that I see. Somehow the trade we were all underwhelmed by is now looking like a steal.
- hereticpride

I was just glad to get something for him, he was horrendous.
daddytc
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sarasota, FL
Joined: 10.03.2014

Apr 23 @ 2:12 PM ET
The problem with all of this really is where do we, as human beings, draw the line? Ben Franklin owned slaves, should he be taken off the $100 bill or should the Franklin Institute be renamed? Romans owned slaves and fed Christians to the lions. Do we need to tear down the Coliseum? Chinese were abused in building the U.S. railroad system, do we close down Amtrak? Jews were exterminated by the millions by the Nazis. Why does anyone that isn't an anti-Semite drive a Mercedes Benz, a known Nazi company during WWII? Japan "raped" Nanking. Do I smash my Playstation? Of course I'm being facetious, but the point is that human beings have been horrible and abusive to one another since the dawn of man. Why not focus on educating people TODAY to be better to one another TODAY? Erasing history, in my opinion, only serves the end purpose of having it repeat itself, not the other way around. Stop trying to hide the terrible and instead work on making it never happen again.
Crucify me as you see fit...
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 23 @ 2:36 PM ET
The problem with all of this really is where do we, as human beings, draw the line? Ben Franklin owned slaves, should he be taken off the $100 bill or should the Franklin Institute be renamed? Romans owned slaves and fed Christians to the lions. Do we need to tear down the Coliseum? Chinese were abused in building the U.S. railroad system, do we close down Amtrak? Jews were exterminated by the millions by the Nazis. Why does anyone that isn't an anti-Semite drive a Mercedes Benz, a known Nazi company during WWII? Japan "raped" Nanking. Do I smash my Playstation? Of course I'm being facetious, but the point is that human beings have been horrible and abusive to one another since the dawn of man. Why not focus on educating people TODAY to be better to one another TODAY? Erasing history, in my opinion, only serves the end purpose of having it repeat itself, not the other way around. Stop trying to hide the terrible and instead work on making it never happen again.
Crucify me as you see fit...

- daddytc


Not crucifying, agreeing!

Just don’t try to make sense with a snowflake. You’ll drive yourself crazy!!
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Apr 23 @ 3:28 PM ET
Not crucifying, agreeing!

Just don’t try to make sense with a snowflake. You’ll drive yourself crazy!!

- Hokeeguy9

I've been reading this for days now now without jumping in. I grew up in North Jersey as a Rags and later Isles fan. Hated Flyers and Kate for that song. I moved to Bucks County in 78. Pre internet days so couldn't really follow out of town teams.
It took til 85 for my fandom to align with the Flyers. I actually came to like the Kate video.
That said, I'm saddened to see it go. I never really understood the statue so I don't care. In today's climate there is nothing else they could do. That doesn't mean Kate should be vilified for those songs. No worse then the crap spewed by rappers today. Plus she wasn't singing about killing cops.
We must learn from history lest we be forced to repeat it. But there was nothing else for Comcast to do. Thanks for the memories, Kate. Your GBA will hold a place in my heart. Those two songs were abhorrent though. Was shocked when I read the lyrics.
I just hope that I'm gone when the snowflakes all take their brown shirts out of the closet and come to round us up in camps for disagreeing with them.
Doomed to repeat history. It's a sad time indeed for our country.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 23 @ 3:56 PM ET
The problem with all of this really is where do we, as human beings, draw the line? Ben Franklin owned slaves, should he be taken off the $100 bill or should the Franklin Institute be renamed? Romans owned slaves and fed Christians to the lions. Do we need to tear down the Coliseum? Chinese were abused in building the U.S. railroad system, do we close down Amtrak? Jews were exterminated by the millions by the Nazis. Why does anyone that isn't an anti-Semite drive a Mercedes Benz, a known Nazi company during WWII? Japan "raped" Nanking. Do I smash my Playstation? Of course I'm being facetious, but the point is that human beings have been horrible and abusive to one another since the dawn of man. Why not focus on educating people TODAY to be better to one another TODAY? Erasing history, in my opinion, only serves the end purpose of having it repeat itself, not the other way around. Stop trying to hide the terrible and instead work on making it never happen again.
Crucify me as you see fit...

- daddytc


No crucifying from me. However I will stand and applaud.
mkbar55
New York Islanders
Joined: 04.23.2019

Apr 23 @ 5:28 PM ET
Islanders fan here. Deeply saddened by what has been done to Kate Smith. I understand the arguments supporting removal of the statute but I find it difficult to understand why we treat things that happened in the 1930s with a 21st Century sensibility.

That being said, I have to say that the night Ms. Smith sang live at the Spectrum before game 7 of the 1975 semifinal with the Isles and the presentation of flowers to her by Eddie Westfall will always be engraved in my brain. Obviously, it was not the result I wanted that night but she will always be a part of Isles history.

I regret that we turn our backs on history.
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