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lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:48 AM ET
If you don't believe either one should be on the team, then it's not worth debating. But i think there's a decent case that Pominville is still a useful 4th liner/extra forward, who is losing his spot to a worse forward because of poor decisions made by prior management.
- jcragcrumple


With the wealth of talent available in this years UFA market, we can get a serious upgrade from a 37 year old, injury prone 4th liner to a high energy game changer, or put some of our young guys not ready to be 2,3 on 4.
4th lines are the difference makers in today's games. look at the teams with the highest success rates over this past year. They all have highly productive 4th lines.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:50 AM ET
If you don't believe either one should be on the team, then it's not worth debating. But i think there's a decent case that Pominville is still a useful 4th liner/extra forward, who is losing his spot to a worse forward because of poor decisions made by prior management.
- jcragcrumple

I don't think he should be on the team...he's a vanilla player who added very little to the sabres...I don't believe his perceived professionalism had a positive effect on the team nor do I believe that he offered anything of substance in interviews, even though the media constantly flocked to him for his insight into various situations
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 22 @ 11:51 AM ET
Michael-

Pommer was 4th in goals for the Sabres, playing limited minutes.

16 goals is above expectations.

6 less goals then the 2014 2nd overall pick
And actually less soft

Haters gonna hate

Pommer had some of the best in game memories of the past 8 years this year.

- Boss34


I'll admit he acquitted himself better than I thought he would. Still, and I honestly don't know the answer, but how many of those goals came away from Jack? I would guess less than 5. Not that it's horrid, he did produce when with Jack, but I think it shows he's not very impactful by himself. He can still find soft areas if given the time to get there.

Great memories. Time to build new ones. Not going to flip any cars if he gets another year, but with guys like CJ Smith, Goalofsson and potentially Nylander taking spots next year...not much room left especially at wing.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:53 AM ET
Michael-

Pommer was 4th in goals for the Sabres, playing limited minutes.

16 goals is above expectations.

6 less goals then the 2014 2nd overall pick
And actually less soft

Haters gonna hate

Pommer had some of the best in game memories of the past 8 years this year.

- Boss34


his goals came primarily because of the talent around him who did most, if not all, of the work on them
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I can call you Housley, and Housley when you call me, you call this Hell
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 11:54 AM ET
With the wealth of talent available in this years UFA market, we can get a serious upgrade from a 37 year old, injury prone 4th liner to a high energy game changer, or put some of our young guys not ready to be 2,3 on 4.
4th lines are the difference makers in today's games. look at the teams with the highest success rates over this past year. They all have highly productive 4th lines.

- lulags


Okposo is the guy taking the 4th line spot though. We're not in the market for that. We need a 2RW and maybe a 3RW depending on your view of Nylander
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 22 @ 11:54 AM ET
I'll admit he acquitted himself better than I thought he would. Still, and I honestly don't know the answer, but how many of those goals came away from Jack? I would guess less than 5. Not that it's horrid, he did produce when with Jack, but I think it shows he's not very impactful by himself. He can still find soft areas if given the time to get there.

Great memories. Time to build new ones. Not going to flip any cars if he gets another year, but with guys like CJ Smith, Goalofsson and potentially Nylander taking spots next year...not much room left especially at wing.

- RhinoFan



Good post

And I agree with your last post.

I feel dirty rooting for the Bruins, but ......
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 3 GM's, 5 Coaches and 3 Owners it's 2019 and still picking in top 6. Las Vegas Via BUFFALO NEW YORK
Joined: 02.17.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:56 AM ET
My opinion, he can stay another year or not, makes no difference to me. Wouldn't be bad if he stayed another year, they have made worse decisions on players.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 22 @ 11:57 AM ET
his goals came primarily because of the talent around him who did most, if not all, of the work on them
- Michael Pachla



You really could say the same for :

Sam
Skinner
And anyone else that played a regular shift with John Jack

Why couldn't the Sabres find anyone else to ride along with John Jack. Pommer did the job.

At 37 I'd rather him be here then:
Cj Smith
Sobatka
Larrson
Girgs
Wilson
Okposo

Perspective I guess
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 3 GM's, 5 Coaches and 3 Owners it's 2019 and still picking in top 6. Las Vegas Via BUFFALO NEW YORK
Joined: 02.17.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:58 AM ET
You really could say the same for :

Sam
Skinner
And anyone else that played a regular shift with John Jack

Why couldn't the Sabres find anyone else to ride along with John Jack. Pommer did the job.

At 37 I'd rather him be here then:
Cj Smith
Sobatka
Larrson
Girgs
Wilson
Okposo

Perspective I guess

- Boss34

Preach on.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Apr 22 @ 12:00 PM ET
You really could say the same for :

Sam
Skinner
And anyone else that played a regular shift with John Jack

Why couldn't the Sabres find anyone else to ride along with John Jack. Pommer did the job.

At 37 I'd rather him be here then:
Cj Smith
Sobatka
Larrson
Girgs
Wilson
Okposo

Perspective I guess

- Boss34



perspective indeed
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 22 @ 12:00 PM ET
Good post

And I agree with your last post.

I feel dirty rooting for the Bruins, but ......

- Boss34


Lesser of two GREAT evils
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 22 @ 12:04 PM ET
Lesser of two GREAT evils
- RhinoFan



Growing up it was hating the Bruins and dolphins

The leafs were in the other conference and always on the Canadian channels with the rabbit ears.

They were kinda likeable . Wendel Clark, Doug gilmour.

Now they invade our arena ... boo
Stripes77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 22 @ 12:05 PM ET

Sean Reynolds
‏Verified account @snseanreynolds

Asked Trouba if he plays a role in helping the Jets stay under the salary cap this upcoming season, he responds, “that’s Chevy’s job.”

So essentially, a hometown discount is not likely.
Stripes77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 22 @ 12:06 PM ET
My opinion, he can stay another year or not, makes no difference to me. Wouldn't be bad if he stayed another year, they have made worse decisions on players.
- SABRES 89



This is where I am on him as well

He was a favorite of mine back in the day and the last two seasons he played his part.

If he wanted a 1 year $1.5 million deal I would be fine with him returning.

If he wanted to retire I would be fine with that as well.

If Botterill doesn't want to bring him back I am fine with that also.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Settle down Bob, it's all for comedy.. , NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 22 @ 12:08 PM ET
Sean Reynolds
‏Verified account @snseanreynolds

Asked Trouba if he plays a role in helping the Jets stay under the salary cap this upcoming season, he responds, “that’s Chevy’s job.”

So essentially, a hometown discount is not likely.

- Stripes77


This is just so rare, and is really only saved for a select few truly elite players on great teams that want to do what they can to keep the roster competitive.

That said, figure out a way to trade for him.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Apr 22 @ 12:12 PM ET
Michael-

Pommer was 4th in goals for the Sabres, playing limited minutes.

16 goals is above expectations.

6 less goals then the 2014 2nd overall pick
And actually less soft

Haters gonna hate

Pommer had some of the best in game memories of the past 8 years this year.

- Boss34

how many goals did he have away from Jack? i am curious but i assume it was most of them.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Apr 22 @ 12:13 PM ET
My opinion, he can stay another year or not, makes no difference to me. Wouldn't be bad if he stayed another year, they have made worse decisions on players.
- SABRES 89

i agree with this
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Joined: 10.27.2017

Apr 22 @ 12:14 PM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/report...date-for-sabres-1.1294376
Scott Burnside @ the Athletic is the source of this report that they are interested in Gronborg.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Apr 22 @ 12:15 PM ET
Sean Reynolds
‏Verified account @snseanreynolds

Asked Trouba if he plays a role in helping the Jets stay under the salary cap this upcoming season, he responds, “that’s Chevy’s job.”

So essentially, a hometown discount is not likely.

- Stripes77

well he isn't lying either..
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I can call you Housley, and Housley when you call me, you call this Hell
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 12:16 PM ET
how many goals did he have away from Jack? i am curious but i assume it was most of them.
- SabresFaninIndiana


According to Dobber, 62% of his points came with Eichel - 18p

Skinner also had 62% of his points with Eichel

Sam Reinhart had around 61% of his points with Eichel

All stats via Dobber at even strength

https://frozenpool.dobber....com/players/sam-reinhart
https://frozenpool.dobber....com/players/jeff-skinner
https://frozenpool.dobber.../players/jason-pominville
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Apr 22 @ 12:17 PM ET
According to Dobber, 62% of his points came with Eichel - 18p

Skinner also had 62% of his points with Eichel

Same Reinhart had around 61% of his points with Eichel

All stats via Dobber at even strength

https://frozenpool.dobber....com/players/sam-reinhart
https://frozenpool.dobber....com/players/jeff-skinner
https://frozenpool.dobber.../players/jason-pominville

- jcragcrumple

for skinner that is kind of misleading because didnt he play most of his time with Jack? I honestly would have thought his would be higher. But is that because of PPP not being included in that?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I can call you Housley, and Housley when you call me, you call this Hell
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 12:20 PM ET
for skinner that is kind of misleading because didnt he play most of his time with Jack? I honestly would have thought his would be higher. But is that because of PPP not being included in that?
- SabresFaninIndiana


Yeah, their ice time is radically different, and Pominville only had 2 PP points, which were not included in the stats i just posted
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Apr 22 @ 12:21 PM ET
Okposo is the guy taking the 4th line spot though. We're not in the market for that. We need a 2RW and maybe a 3RW depending on your view of Nylander
- jcragcrumple

Unfortunately, we are doing ourselves a great dis-service by putting Okposo on the 4th line. He is better suited for the 3rd
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Apr 22 @ 12:24 PM ET
Growing up it was hating the Bruins and dolphins

The leafs were in the other conference and always on the Canadian channels with the rabbit ears.

They were kinda likeable . Wendel Clark, Doug gilmour.

Now they invade our arena ... boo

- Boss34

I hated Montreal and Boston growing up. TO was not a threat to us at all back in the old conference. My how times have changed. Still routing for TO over Boston though
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
According to Dobber, 62% of his points came with Eichel - 18p

Skinner also had 62% of his points with Eichel

Sam Reinhart had around 61% of his points with Eichel

All stats via Dobber at even strength

https://frozenpool.dobber....com/players/sam-reinhart
https://frozenpool.dobber....com/players/jeff-skinner
https://frozenpool.dobber.../players/jason-pominville

- jcragcrumple


So, when adding in the 2 PP points with Jack, he's 20/31 pts with him. If my mafff is correct, Pommer scored 65% of his points in less than 30% of his time (the time spent with Jackie Moon).
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