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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 19 @ 11:03 AM ET
How generous of you, I'm sure Stevie Y is happy to hear this.
- Murphy_Dump

Just know if I disappear from HB, its because Yzerman hired me not because I got banned.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 19 @ 11:05 AM ET
Oh and fu ck Simon Or Rust on the top line Wilson needs to be there. Sid doesn’t need to go knock his own pucks free anymore.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 19 @ 11:06 AM ET
The problem with the defense isn’t good enough argument is you could have switched the Pens and Islanders defense around and I bet they are still swept. Every single loose puck is the Islanders in that series. Not to mention that every single line on the Islanders has a guy whose sole job is to get pucks to better players. Kuhnhackl made life easy for Nelson who had a good series. Lee makes life easy for Barzal, who also could kick Guentzel’s ass in a corner battle himself, komorov’s offense might have dried up but he might as well have been6’4” in that series and their 4th line is untouchable as far as value goes. The only real d man that needs to go is Johnson and the only way you’re going to get some good roster players is trading Murray. Let DeSmith and Jarry play themselves into a starter role next year.
- Grinder47

I actually agree with you until you start jerking off Kuhnhackl lol. Our defense is more talented than the Islanders, they just blow as a unit because because they’ve been mishandled and misdeployed for two seasons. Trotz wouldn’t have that issue because Trotz is elite at his job. The Isles would have been a better team if the d cores had been switched around.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
I actually agree with you until you start jerking off Kuhnhackl lol. Our defense is more talented than the Islanders, they just blow as a unit because because they’ve been mishandled and misdeployed for two seasons. Trotz wouldn’t have that issue because Trotz is elite at his job. The Isles would have been a better team if the d cores had been switched around.
- Victoro311

Kuhnhackl had a great series. Glad he’s getting the proper deployment. Perfect type of player to play with Sid and Guentzel.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
Just know if I disappear from HB, its because Yzerman hired me not because I got banned.
- Feds91Stammer

I loved his eulogy for Probert.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Apr 19 @ 11:20 AM ET
Kuhnhackl had a great series. Glad he’s getting the proper deployment. Perfect type of player to play with Sid and Guentzel.
- Grinder47



Only the bolded part is true.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 19 @ 11:23 AM ET
Only the bolded part is true.
- Guile

Can’t wait to watch Guentzel stand in the high slot while Sid is stick handling with one hand around on guy and holding two defenders back with other hand into his late thirties.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 19 @ 11:26 AM ET
Can’t wait to watch Guentzel stand in the high slot while Sid is stick handling with one hand around on guy and holding two defenders back with other hand into his late thirties.
- Grinder47

If you think all Guentzel does is camp out in soft spots like Neal used to do, I have serious doubts you watch the games.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 19 @ 11:35 AM ET
If you think all Guentzel does is camp out in soft spots like Neal used to do, I have serious doubts you watch the games.
- Victoro311

Guentzel is an entitled millennial
chimpira
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.18.2015

Apr 19 @ 11:36 AM ET
The problem with the defense isn’t good enough argument is you could have switched the Pens and Islanders defense around and I bet they are still swept. Every single loose puck is the Islanders in that series. Not to mention that every single line on the Islanders has a guy whose sole job is to get pucks to better players. Kuhnhackl made life easy for Nelson who had a good series. Lee makes life easy for Barzal, who also could kick Guentzel’s ass in a corner battle himself, komorov’s offense might have dried up but he might as well have been6’4” in that series and their 4th line is untouchable as far as value goes. The only real d man that needs to go is Johnson and the only way you’re going to get some good roster players is trading Murray. Let DeSmith and Jarry play themselves into a starter role next year.
- Grinder47


This! Pens played soft and scared. No one wanted to get hit. They were making stupid mistakes by trying to avoid the hits. Pens played like weenies for most of the series. Bjugstad at 6'4" might as well be 5'5" - weak sauce. At least Horny tried to swing it out with Lehner, channeling his inner Max Talbot, but it was too little too late.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:54 AM ET
If the Penguins intend on playing with more speed, great. That is exciting hockey and has worked for them before. However, if they intend on doing that, these players have no business being on our roster:
-Johnson
-Gudbranson
-Hornqvist
-Bjugstad

And guys like Wilson and Cullen should be gone just because they are useless.

The problem with this above plan is that moving Bjugstad is probably the only easy guy to move, maybe Gudbranson. Horny & Johnson have 0 trade value and we'd likely have to give up futures we cannot afford to lose in order to dump them. We managed to go for the better part of a decade without a crushing bad long term contract. Rutherford has given us 2 within the past 14 months.

The Penguins cannot hang limbo for these next 3-4 years. They either need to do a Chicago-like rebuild where it is a year or two of poor results, no playoffs, but the opportunity to restock and rearm for the final push of their core, or they need to try to fix it quickly and get back among the top teams. We cannot spend the next 3-4 years finishing in the wild card or barely missing the playoffs.

Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 19 @ 12:01 PM ET
If the Penguins intend on playing with more speed, great. That is exciting hockey and has worked for them before. However, if they intend on doing that, these players have no business being on our roster:
-Johnson
-Gudbranson
-Hornqvist
-Bjugstad

And guys like Wilson and Cullen should be gone just because they are useless.

The problem with this above plan is that moving Bjugstad is probably the only easy guy to move, maybe Gudbranson. Horny & Johnson have 0 trade value and we'd likely have to give up futures we cannot afford to lose in order to dump them. We managed to go for the better part of a decade without a crushing bad long term contract. Rutherford has given us 2 within the past 14 months.

The Penguins cannot hang limbo for these next 3-4 years. They either need to do a Chicago-like rebuild where it is a year or two of poor results, no playoffs, but the opportunity to restock and rearm for the final push of their core, or they need to try to fix it quickly and get back among the top teams. We cannot spend the next 3-4 years finishing in the wild card or barely missing the playoffs.

- SuperHenderson13

Eh I’m not sure I totally agree with this take. If you’re a fast team, not everyone on the team needs to be actually fast themselves, they just need to compliment the fast players. Like Hornqvist when he was still good was a pretty good complement to our speed and skill guys and an important part of or Cups.

I think Bjugstad and Maatta can be on fast teams and fit well if they’re given correct lineages like Hornqvist used to. Gudbranson, on the other hand is a pretty awkward fit for as good as he’s been, and Johnson is totally useless regardless of what type of team he’s on.
PittsPens
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Westernport, MD
Joined: 01.06.2012

Apr 19 @ 12:03 PM ET
I don't care if you like Gunners constant griping on JJ or not. One thing Gunner hit on in a blog awhile back is that Rutherford seems to get the softball treatment from the Pittsburgh media. The guy has butchered this roster. The Johnson contract is crippling and the Horny contract is nearly as bad. Horny is a heart and soul guy so there is that. Johnson just sucks out loud with no upside at all.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Apr 19 @ 12:03 PM ET
What about trying to package Hörnqvist and some other guy to Arizona and bring Lawson Crouse, maybe Panik with him?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 19 @ 12:04 PM ET
What about trying to package Hörnqvist and some other guy to Arizona and bring Lawson Crouse, maybe Panik with him?
- Barnaby36

Yes the team run by an analytics guy would want Horny

Also Panik is a UFA
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Apr 19 @ 12:06 PM ET
Just know if I disappear from HB, its because Yzerman hired me not because I got banned.
- Feds91Stammer

Knowing you, I’ll still assumed you’re banned.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Apr 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
Yes the team run by an analytics guy would want Horny

Also Panik is a UFA

- Feds91Stammer

Hörnqvist is a 1st line player on your team buddy.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Apr 19 @ 12:25 PM ET
I actually agree with you until you start jerking off Kuhnhackl lol. Our defense is more talented than the Islanders, they just blow as a unit because because they’ve been mishandled and misdeployed for two seasons. Trotz wouldn’t have that issue because Trotz is elite at his job. The Isles would have been a better team if the d cores had been switched around.
- Victoro311


What makes you think Trotz is "elite". He was a viewed as a complete failure of a coach because he couldn't get past the penguins with absolute powerhouse presidents cup capitals teams, until his last year...when we lost our identity. and we made poor roster moves. Then he goes to the Islanders, and plays the Guy Boucher Trap, and all of a sudden, he is elite?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 19 @ 12:29 PM ET
What makes you think Trotz is "elite". He was a viewed as a complete failure of a coach because he couldn't get past the penguins with absolute powerhouse presidents cup capitals teams, until his last year...when we lost our identity. and we made poor roster moves. Then he goes to the Islanders, and plays the Guy Boucher Trap, and all of a sudden, he is elite?
- joecool2931

No I’ve thought he was very good at his job for a while. This isn’t an all of a sudden thing.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 19 @ 12:29 PM ET
Hörnqvist is a 1st line player on your team buddy.
- Barnaby36

On my beer league team yes.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 19 @ 12:30 PM ET
What makes you think Trotz is "elite". He was a viewed as a complete failure of a coach because he couldn't get past the penguins with absolute powerhouse presidents cup capitals teams, until his last year...when we lost our identity. and we made poor roster moves. Then he goes to the Islanders, and plays the Guy Boucher Trap, and all of a sudden, he is elite?
- joecool2931

Nah.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 19 @ 12:50 PM ET
Maatta maybe. I have no idea why Botts would have jumped at a pending UFA over the age of 30, though.
- Victoro311

Replacing Kane who they didn’t want with 72 someone who he might’ve wanted. It’s like you just said, it’s not like they got a ton for him
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 19 @ 12:55 PM ET
Hörnqvist is a 1st line player on your team buddy.
- Barnaby36

I think the Coyotes would absolutely be interested in Hornqvist but not at a high cost. If you’re wanting lower end guys like Crouse and a 3rd, maybe a 2nd then I think it’s a done deal but he’s not trading away his 1st rn. Not with this many talented UFAs and cash strapped teams abound. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Chayka in on guys like JT Miller, Hornqvist, Nylander, or other guys from these teams. He’ll be in on Duchene I’m sure
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 19 @ 12:57 PM ET
This will be unpopular, but ONLY If Hornqvist proves difficult for the Pens to move I’d look at a Horn/Grabner swap. Why you ask?

Grabner is not as good as Horn, but his speed and scoring potential could be a good fit as a middle-winger.

His contract would also be a bit of a relief.

Why would AZ want to do that? Hornqvist is a type of player they don’t have and I think is a good veteran fit for a young group like them.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Apr 19 @ 12:58 PM ET
I think the Coyotes would absolutely be interested in Hornqvist but not at a high cost. If you’re wanting lower end guys like Crouse and a 3rd, maybe a 2nd then I think it’s a done deal but he’s not trading away his 1st rn. Not with this many talented UFAs and cash strapped teams abound. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Chayka in on guys like JT Miller, Hornqvist, Nylander, or other guys from these teams. He’ll be in on Duchene I’m sure
- WSCTeton17

Never mind. Feds said Hörnqvist sucks and Arizona wouldn’t be interested
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