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youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 16 @ 8:54 AM ET
You said it was the truth not opinion
- Shrike


Generally your right, MJL does not post opinions, just critiques others ideas. Much like a politician. But you just happened to say this after the 1 time he has an original thought.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 16 @ 8:56 AM ET
You said it was the truth not opinion
- Shrike


In my opinion, it is the truth.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 16 @ 8:57 AM ET
I'd rather keep Gostisbehere, Lindblom and the 1st round pick.
- MJL



Yeah. He just re signed there. And even if they are bumped they can compete again next year with the roster they have and some tweaks.

If they need to move money they can move a guy like Tyler Johnson.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 16 @ 9:01 AM ET
I could take McDonagh and Johnson off their hands for them for Ghost, Lindblom, Rubtsov, 2019 1st.
- youarewrong


Brutal, just (frank)ing brutal dude.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 16 @ 9:03 AM ET
Brutal, just (frank)ing brutal dude.
- Tomahawk



daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 16 @ 9:06 AM ET
This team lacks an identity. It will be up to the GM and coach to create one asap imo; whatever that identity may be.

physical hockey is still important as shown by the playoffs. soft and easy teams to play against will not win anything.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:07 AM ET
Would this work?

To Tampa: MacDonald

To Philadelphia: Callahan

Reason being both guys are kind of out of favor for their own teams. Tampa has 4 defenders that will be FA and maybe MacDonald can give them some depth as a 3rd pair guy and on last year of deal.

Callahan isn't the same guy but played under Vingeault so brings some familiarity to the system. Also he brings some leadership and could probably help the PK. He is also on last year of deal.

Callahan could slot into a 3rd line role with Patrick if the Flyers bring in a 2nd line center.


daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 16 @ 9:10 AM ET
And Mjl won’t state his opinions because once he does it can be picked apart. Which is all he ever does to others in these threads. “I won’t tell you what I think until you tell me what you think”

This thread used to get at least 6 hundred posts each day until a lot of posters realized that the hfboards have an ignore function that for posters like Mjl.

- Shrike

then go to hf boards then. the pansies who leave crack me up. its a message board get over yourself.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 16 @ 9:10 AM ET
Would this work?

To Tampa: MacDonald

To Philadelphia: Callahan

Reason being both guys are kind of out of favor for their own teams. Tampa has 4 defenders that will be FA and maybe MacDonald can give them some depth as a 3rd pair guy and on last year of deal.

Callahan isn't the same guy but played under Vingeault so brings some familiarity to the system. Also he brings some leadership and could probably help the PK. He is also on last year of deal.

Callahan could slot into a 3rd line role with Patrick if the Flyers bring in a 2nd line center.

- J35Bacher

how many years callahan have left?

not sure they want a slow center at this point
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 16 @ 9:11 AM ET
Would this work?

To Tampa: MacDonald

To Philadelphia: Callahan

Reason being both guys are kind of out of favor for their own teams. Tampa has 4 defenders that will be FA and maybe MacDonald can give them some depth as a 3rd pair guy and on last year of deal.

Callahan isn't the same guy but played under Vingeault so brings some familiarity to the system. Also he brings some leadership and could probably help the PK. He is also on last year of deal.

Callahan could slot into a 3rd line role with Patrick if the Flyers bring in a 2nd line center.

- J35Bacher


Callahan is a 4th line player at this point of his career, not a 3rd line player. He would provide leadership but I don't see that being a move that moves the needle.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Apr 16 @ 9:20 AM ET
Well... Tampa may be looking to make some changes. McDonagh maybe? I could take McDonagh and Johnson off their hands for them for Ghost, Lindblom, Rubtsov, 2019 1st. And sign Hayes.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Johnson-Voracek
Frost/Farabee-Patrick-Hayes
Raffl-Laughton-Hartman

Provorov-McDonagh
Gudas-Sanheim
Morin-Myers
Hagg

Hart
Talbot

Yea, I could get down with that.

- youarewrong

Who hurt you?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:20 AM ET
Callahan is a 4th line player at this point of his career, not a 3rd line player. He would provide leadership but I don't see that being a move that moves the needle.
- MJL



I know it wouldn't move the needle.

Even if just a 4th line player maybe that moves one of Hartman or Laughton to a 3rd line wing.

I do think some leadership is needed. Not sure if Callahan is a more vocal type but Giroux has said or it was stated he isn't one of your more vocal types. He is more a go out and lead by example.

daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 16 @ 9:21 AM ET
I know it wouldn't move the needle.

Even if just a 4th line player maybe that moves one of Hartman or Laughton to a 3rd line wing.

I do think some leadership is needed. Not sure if Callahan is a more vocal type but Giroux has said or it was stated he isn't one of your more vocal types. He is more a go out and lead by example.

- J35Bacher

not sure thats a good thing though.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Apr 16 @ 9:23 AM ET
Aquire leadership, become good

EZclap
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:25 AM ET
Also I didn't realize but Alexander Edler is a UFA. Played under Vingeault. Could he be an option as a top 4 vet guy? Coming of a 5 mil cap hit and 32 years old.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 16 @ 9:28 AM ET
I know it wouldn't move the needle.

Even if just a 4th line player maybe that moves one of Hartman or Laughton to a 3rd line wing.

I do think some leadership is needed. Not sure if Callahan is a more vocal type but Giroux has said or it was stated he isn't one of your more vocal types. He is more a go out and lead by example.

- J35Bacher


Nothing is more overrated in sports than vocal leadership. People watch too many movies.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 16 @ 9:29 AM ET
I know it wouldn't move the needle.

Even if just a 4th line player maybe that moves one of Hartman or Laughton to a 3rd line wing.

I do think some leadership is needed. Not sure if Callahan is a more vocal type but Giroux has said or it was stated he isn't one of your more vocal types. He is more a go out and lead by example.

- J35Bacher



I want the team to add speed, quickness and skill.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 16 @ 9:30 AM ET
Nothing is more overrated in sports than vocal leadership. People watch too many movies.
- Tomahawk



That aspect has a very short shelf life and you can only go to that well so many times. The best form of leadership is to simply be a good team.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 16 @ 9:31 AM ET
Also I didn't realize but Alexander Edler is a UFA. Played under Vingeault. Could he be an option as a top 4 vet guy? Coming of a 5 mil cap hit and 32 years old.
- J35Bacher

3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Apr 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
I want the team to add speed, quickness and skill.
- MJL


And who would you like to add ?
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
I want the team to add speed, quickness and skill.
- MJL

what about toughness and physicality?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 16 @ 9:33 AM ET
That aspect has a very short shelf life and you can only go to that well so many times. The best form of leadership is to simply be a good team.
- MJL


It's especially hard to be vocal when you're a drag on the ice (or out of the lineup completely), like Callahan is.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Apr 16 @ 9:35 AM ET
Seems like you like the direction they’ve taken. All it took for you was for the GM to sit on his hands at the deadline and hire a coach at the top of the retread pile.
- Just5



Couldn't Q be considered a retread too? Who would have your preferred the Flyers hire?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 16 @ 9:36 AM ET
what about toughness and physicality?
- daryl stanley


I'd settle for more puck-discipline, consistency and compete.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 16 @ 9:38 AM ET
Also I didn't realize but Alexander Edler is a UFA. Played under Vingeault. Could he be an option as a top 4 vet guy? Coming of a 5 mil cap hit and 32 years old.
- J35Bacher


If I'm taking minutes away from Myers, Sanheim, and possibly Morin and/or Ghost I would want a top pairing vet defenseman, not a middle pairing vet defenseman. Gudas is your middle pairing vet defenseman.
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