Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: Ryan Wilson: Here we go again...
Author Message
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
I'm not sure we'd have to give a top pick. Maybe send them Pearson, and a 4th or a future pick?
- nateca44

Is this a troll? Everyone is saying the cost to acquire is high and the number of interested parties is also high. Philly isn’t even sold that they WILL move him. All signs point to him playing tonight. If they don’t get at least a 2nd and a prospect (Boyle just got a 2nd...) then they’re not going trading him
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Feb 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
Whats it gonna take to get Reaves back...

I'd be happy to get him and Simmonds. They dont have the pieces to get a skilled player and this team is so easy to beat by any number of teams. Its obvious Phil and Geno lose their cool and don't play to their level when they have to answer to confrontation. There is no identity, lets pick one as we are not gonna be the 2015 team.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 23 @ 12:15 PM ET
Whats it gonna take to get Reaves back...

I'd be happy to get him and Simmonds. They dont have the pieces to get a skilled player and this team is so easy to beat by any number of teams. Its obvious Phil and Geno lose their cool and don't play to their level when they have to answer to confrontation. There is no identity, lets pick one as we are not gonna be the 2015 team.

- nelson911


Simmonds looks like toast though. Simmonds from 3 or 4 years ago.....hell yes. Not the same player. Besides... He's like Hornie... Unless they're putting tons of shots on net, it makes no sense to have another net front guy.
DaPenz
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Conway, SC
Joined: 03.02.2009

Feb 23 @ 12:17 PM ET
Whats it gonna take to get Reaves back...

I'd be happy to get him and Simmonds. They dont have the pieces to get a skilled player and this team is so easy to beat by any number of teams. Its obvious Phil and Geno lose their cool and don't play to their level when they have to answer to confrontation. There is no identity, lets pick one as we are not gonna be the 2015 team.

- nelson911


I'm with this Reaves is the only player I actually miss. I know Sully didn't play him, but he is exactly what this team needs. He is good enough to play 12 min.

Reaves + Simmonds changes the identity of the team from soft and out in the 1st rd to tough to play against and a balance of balls and skill.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 23 @ 12:24 PM ET
Simmonds is a step in the wrong direction. If they want to add toughness then go get McQuaid as the Pens #6.

RW tweeting a reply in regards to Carter. I know this is going to be a wildly unpopular idea amongst people here, but THIS is an instance where I'd consider moving Hornqvist. Bjugstad can move to wing like Ruth wanted.

Clearly this won't happen, but I'm just saying I would make that move.
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Feb 23 @ 12:25 PM ET
Simmonds looks like toast though. Simmonds from 3 or 4 years ago.....hell yes. Not the same player. Besides... He's like Hornie... Unless they're putting tons of shots on net, it makes no sense to have another net front guy.
- madmike71

I know its a pipe dream to land either. If anything they'll prolly trade their first for Staal.

Well as for net guys, they should put one on each of the first two lines. They have the shooters.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 12:29 PM ET
I'm with this Reaves is the only player I actually miss. I know Sully didn't play him, but he is exactly what this team needs. He is good enough to play 12 min.

Reaves + Simmonds changes the identity of the team from soft and out in the 1st rd to tough to play against and a balance of balls and skill.

- DaPenz


Reaves trade value has probably gone up, GMJR traded him on the cheap

He's gonna have 10 goals, 20ish points, only 75 PIMS this year (so, he's not running around like a goon) all with 4th line minutes (11 minutes per night)

Thats some pretty nice production for a guy on the 4th line with those intangibles
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 23 @ 12:35 PM ET
Simmonds looks like toast though. Simmonds from 3 or 4 years ago.....hell yes. Not the same player. Besides... He's like Hornie... Unless they're putting tons of shots on net, it makes no sense to have another net front guy.
- madmike71

In a year or two I wonder how many people will be saying this exact same thing about 72
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 23 @ 12:37 PM ET
Simmonds is a step in the wrong direction. If they want to add toughness then go get McQuaid as the Pens #6.

RW tweeting a reply in regards to Carter. I know this is going to be a wildly unpopular idea amongst people here, but THIS is an instance where I'd consider moving Hornqvist. Bjugstad can move to wing like Ruth wanted.

Clearly this won't happen, but I'm just saying I would make that move.

- Rinosaur

Don’t you think it would be much more likely that Carter would play with Malkin and help make up for his defensive deficiencies? Carter is still a good player, he plays on a bad team. The issue with Carter (again) is the threat of retirement after the season. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but it’s possible
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 23 @ 12:41 PM ET
Don’t you think it would be much more likely that Carter would play with Malkin and help make up for his defensive deficiencies? Carter is still a good player, he plays on a bad team. The issue with Carter (again) is the threat of retirement after the season. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but it’s possible
- WSCTeton17


No, I don't. Malkin doesn't have defensive deficiencies. Malkin is above average defensively for a forward of his caliber and style. He's just not Kopitar or Staal.

This bizarre notion that he is bad defensively this year has come from him simply playing sloppy hockey on both ends of the ice. Don't confuse the two.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 12:41 PM ET
In a year or two I wonder how many people will be saying this exact same thing about 72
- WSCTeton17


Everybody, Why they should have let him walk or should try to trade him now
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Feb 23 @ 12:45 PM ET
Having no 2nd round pick is tough as it relates to trading your 1st. I get the Penguins are in win now and that first pick does nothing right now... however, trading a 1st pick for a rental forward past his prime is just stupid. Trading a 1st round pick for Reaves was stupid.

Rutherford, if he makes a move like this, further shows that he is working past his expiration date here. He came here, made a lot of good moves and changes. that led to 2 Stanley Cups, great. However, since the offseason of 2017, he has been brutal.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
I'd see about trading Horn to Vegas

Something around Haula or Eakin (Both 27) and maybe a pick

If we're intent on keeping Kessel, the top 6 being Jake, Sid, Geno, Phil, Rust, Bjugstad?

Haula or Eakin fills the 3C and it moves that Horn contract before it becomes trouble

Puts McCann at 4C - Center depth seems decent with Cullen gone next year
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Feb 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
In a year or two I wonder how many people will be saying this exact same thing about 72
- WSCTeton17

Kessel at $6.8M for 3 more years
Hornqvist at $5.3M for 4 more years
Pearson at $3.75M for 2 more years
Johnson at $3.25M for 4 more years

That is a lot of money for a lot of years to players who arent playing anywhere near that level. Especially considering guys like Horny & Johnson will only play worse.

If the Pens can find a taker for any of these guys, they need to take them, especially Horny & Kessel. I expect Johnson to get bought out or shipped off next offseason or when the league has another lockout. No way he plays here for 4 more years.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 12:56 PM ET
Kessel at $6.8M for 3 more years
Hornqvist at $5.3M for 4 more years
Pearson at $3.75M for 2 more years
Johnson at $3.25M for 4 more years

That is a lot of money for a lot of years to players who arent playing anywhere near that level. Especially considering guys like Horny & Johnson will only play worse.

If the Pens can find a taker for any of these guys, they need to take them, especially Horny & Kessel. I expect Johnson to get bought out or shipped off next offseason or when the league has another lockout. No way he plays here for 4 more years.

- SuperHenderson13


Johnson is a buyout candidate (compliance after the CBA or otherwise for sure) whether GMJR wants to admit it or not. Might be the most unmovable contract in the NHL

If Kessel is such good value at 6.8 for 3 more years thats all the more reason to try to move him to a legit contender who might be willing to overpay. I keep him if there are no offers, but I'm shopping him hard

Horny, see above - Would love to try and pry a 27 year old 3C outta Vegas (Haula or Eakin) before that contract becomes an albatross

Pearson, we're gonna likely own that one unless we add a sweetner, or take on an equally questionable contract in return. That Hags deal looks terrible right now in hindsight
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 23 @ 1:09 PM ET
In a year or two I wonder how many people will be saying this exact same thing about 72
- WSCTeton17


Definitely a lot. Hornie was playing well before the concussions. I'll say this, I hate the way he's being used and I hate the fact that this team isn't shooting enough. If you don't put a ton of shots on net, you don't need a player like Hornqvist. The top 6 needs to settle for dirty goals and rebounds. Lately it seems they only want the pretty goals or off the rush goals. One and done plays.

I don't know.... 5 years didn't scare me because years 4 and 5 really don't matter. I was happy they signed him, but this concussion problem is alarming.
icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

Feb 23 @ 1:13 PM ET
Here's the problem I see with the Pens...and any moves they would /could make...is this team 1 or 2 players away from being a legitimate Cup contender THIS YEAR?

I feel like the answer to that is NO.

They had a winning streak of 8 games a little while back and looked better but a lot of that was better goaltending. With goaltending back to normal/average, you see what they are. A playoff contender...not a Cup contender.

Some jelling has occurred with the 'new' guys brought on this year and they are deeper than they were...but this recent span of 10 games doesn't give me that - "a good rental will make them a cup contender" feeling. I don't think that works out very well most of the time anyway.

If they make another trade it should be for more than just this playoff run.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 1:24 PM ET
Here's the problem I see with the Pens...and any moves they would /could make...is this team 1 or 2 players away from being a legitimate Cup contender THIS YEAR?

I feel like the answer to that is NO.

They had a winning streak of 8 games a little while back and looked better but a lot of that was better goaltending. With goaltending back to normal/average, you see what they are. A playoff contender...not a Cup contender.

Some jelling has occurred with the 'new' guys brought on this year and they are deeper than they were...but this recent span of 10 games doesn't give me that - "a good rental will make them a cup contender" feeling. I don't think that works out very well most of the time anyway.

If they make another trade it should be for more than just this playoff run.

- icedog97


We don't really have the assets to trade for "The Future"

A Futures trade for us, looks like a Hags for Pearson type deal, or a Brassard for Bjugstad - Nether of those trades really moves the needle, not into Cup Contender status anyways

There are going to be losers in the Stone/Duchene/Panarin sweepstakes - I look hard to see if I can take advantage and move Kessel - Looking at you Vegas, Jets, Islanders, Flames, Jackets, etc, etc

Same with Simmonds and Hornqvist

I keep our picks, look to open up capspace and see what can be done this summer or next (not that I really trust JR in Free Agency) - Slight retool, remain competitive, get younger and faster. With the roster as constructed now, our window is probably this year and next, hoping to scrape out of the Metro and running straight into a powerhouse Leafs or Lightning, best case scenario taking on a deeper than us Bruins team in the EFC

Then you'd have to deal with the Preds, Jets, or Sharks, or maybe Flames
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:31 PM ET
Simmonds is a step in the wrong direction. If they want to add toughness then go get McQuaid as the Pens #6.

RW tweeting a reply in regards to Carter. I know this is going to be a wildly unpopular idea amongst people here, but THIS is an instance where I'd consider moving Hornqvist. Bjugstad can move to wing like Ruth wanted.

Clearly this won't happen, but I'm just saying I would make that move.

- Rinosaur


I 100% agree with you on all of this. If the rumors of Simmons having a high value. Why not try to trade Hornqvist maybe we can package the pick and prospects or maybe we could land a younger talent and use the cap space for someone else. I do agree McQuaid would be a better option than Simmons. I see him as being more useful for this team.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Feb 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
Maybe in his old form I would give up a top pick for him, but not now.
- 123Kid


i would prefer a legit playoff performer
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Feb 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
Kessel at $6.8M for 3 more years
Hornqvist at $5.3M for 4 more years
Pearson at $3.75M for 2 more years
Johnson at $3.25M for 4 more years

That is a lot of money for a lot of years to players who arent playing anywhere near that level. Especially considering guys like Horny & Johnson will only play worse.

If the Pens can find a taker for any of these guys, they need to take them, especially Horny & Kessel. I expect Johnson to get bought out or shipped off next offseason or when the league has another lockout. No way he plays here for 4 more years.

- SuperHenderson13


take kessel off that list
kessel, despite his rut, as a 31 yo ppg player for only 3 more seasons at 6.8mm without any injury history is a (frank)ing stud. he's not the reason the pens are no longer 15-16 material. that has more to do with the lack of quality depth (as you mentioned pearson/JJ)
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Feb 23 @ 1:55 PM ET
Whats it gonna take to get Reaves back...

I'd be happy to get him and Simmonds. They dont have the pieces to get a skilled player and this team is so easy to beat by any number of teams. Its obvious Phil and Geno lose their cool and don't play to their level when they have to answer to confrontation. There is no identity, lets pick one as we are not gonna be the 2015 team.

- nelson911

RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 1:55 PM ET
take kessel off that list
kessel, despite his rut, as a 31 yo ppg player for only 3 more seasons at 6.8mm without any injury history is a (frank)ing stud. he's not the reason the pens are no longer 15-16 material. that has more to do with the lack of quality depth (as you mentioned pearson/JJ)

- DeflatedPucks


So, if He's such a stud, and only 31 and is locked up at 6.8 for 3 more seasons with no injury history he would probably fetch a fantastic return eh?

I'm thinking 2 1sts, 2 top level prospects

or is that too low.... 3 1sts????

If He's as good as you pretend he is, and surely as he gets older (and slower) his best days are clearly in front of him

And with THIS roster, and our plethora of young up and coming talent as well as future cap flexibility, OUR best days are surely to come as well
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Feb 23 @ 1:57 PM ET
So, if He's such a stud, and only 31 and is locked up at 6.8 for 3 more seasons with no injury history he would probably fetch a fantastic return eh?

I'm thinking 2 1sts, 2 top level prospects

or is that too low.... 3 1sts????

If He's as good as you pretend he is, and surely as he gets older (and slower) his best days are clearly in front of him

And with THIS roster, and our plethora of young up and coming talent as well as future cap flexibility, OUR best days are surely to come as well

- RoloTahmasee


Crosby is a stud and has a good contract. he will fetch a great return. lets trade him too while we're at it!
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Crosby is a stud and has a good contract. he will fetch a great return. lets trade him too while we're at it!
- DeflatedPucks


Crosby and Malkin are the only untradeable guys for obvious reasons

We aren't winning any cups this year or next... so whats the point again on keeping guys like Kessel and Hornqvist on the downhill of their careers?

Trade them now while they still have actual value, Retools can happen quick

Where do you expect to find all this "depth" and "speed" that you say we need?

The draft when we are trading our 1sts while we "Go for it Now" ?

Free Agency, Where depth is overpriced and the "Bargains" are Matt Cullens, Old and Slow? PLUS - We have No Capspace anyways!

Wilkes Barrie - Who besides Blueger has shown any sign of being roster worthy besides playing on the 4th line?

You're being sold Hope by GMJR and you're slopping it up as fast as you can shovel it into your mouth

But please, lets hear YOUR plans to compete this year, next, and beyond

(and I don't mean compete for the playoffs, I mean compete for the cup, against the likes of the Lightning, Leafs, Bruins, Jets, Flames and Preds)
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16  Next