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Joined: 01.22.2009

Feb 13 @ 3:36 PM ET
The Fan Blog : What Was That?
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 13 @ 4:39 PM ET
The Fan Blog : What Was That?
- the_fan_blog



Called it on Huberdeau.

I could also argue maybe that hit on Anderson had them buzzing around the Caps for the rest of the game, if both these teams meet in the post season I will be expecting some sparks between Anderson and Wilson.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 13 @ 4:59 PM ET
Called it on Huberdeau.

I could also argue maybe that hit on Anderson had them buzzing around the Caps for the rest of the game, if both these teams meet in the post season I will be expecting some sparks between Anderson and Wilson.

- Alexzanki

I’m aware that we’re in the same division so that most likely eliminates anything from happening between our teams but what do you think it would take from us to get Panarin? I know Jarmo wanted an NHL player, prospect, and a first or somewhere along those lines. Not sure there are many teams that could do that? We may be one of few teams that could.
vertigo1061
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.20.2008

Feb 13 @ 5:08 PM ET
I think last night said more about WSH than us, tbh. I thought we looked fresh and played with energy, but were extremely sloppy at times if you rewatch the game. WSH just looked like they had no gas in the tank.

I like the way we are trending and it was a fun game to get 2 points out of, but there is so much season left, still, and for me nothing about the last few wins changes the priorities for CBJ.

Move Bob and Bread for assets that can contribute beyond this season while hopefully finding a way to acquire a piece or two to keep the train moving forward THIS season.

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Biggest things I noticed last night was how strong 3-27 was as a pairing. They were downright dominating the game and it was great to see.
vertigo1061
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.20.2008

Feb 13 @ 5:12 PM ET
I’m aware that we’re in the same division so that most likely eliminates anything from happening between our teams but what do you think it would take from us to get Panarin? I know Jarmo wanted an NHL player, prospect, and a first or somewhere along those lines. Not sure there are many teams that could do that? We may be one of few teams that could.
- Cptmjl


NYI has as decent a shot as anybody else, imho. Panarin has a no move so he really has no say. The question is more about the quality of the prospect/player NYI offers compared to what say, NSH or FLA offer, and that's where I question whether NYI can equal the offer.

That said, if I'm NYI I stay away from this unless you are extremely confident you can sign and will sign him. No offense to NYI, but I don't see their cup chances as being any better than CBJ's and I wouldn't want CBJ to go all in on a rental this year.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 13 @ 5:22 PM ET
NYI has as decent a shot as anybody else, imho. Panarin has a no move so he really has no say. The question is more about the quality of the prospect/player NYI offers compared to what say, NSH or FLA offer, and that's where I question whether NYI can equal the offer.

That said, if I'm NYI I stay away from this unless you are extremely confident you can sign and will sign him. No offense to NYI, but I don't see their cup chances as being any better than CBJ's and I wouldn't want CBJ to go all in on a rental this year.

- vertigo1061

Absolutely we would have to be confident we could sign him. He has said we were one of the teams he would sign with and We could use a player like Panarin. He would look awesome on barzals wing. I know this never happens but maybe a sign and trade? Was thinking somewhere along the lines of either Bailey or Eberle(who could slot into Panarin spot) a first, maybe Aho or one of our other defensive prospects not named Dobson. Would have to think Jarmo would want one of wahlstrom or Dobson though... Rumors we’ve been scouting the jackets heavy would have to think that’s why.
birdie03
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 13 @ 5:37 PM ET
Called what on Huberdeau ??

And I still don't understand what you said on Ek's blog about a Panarin-Duchene one-for-one. And then Ottawa could flip Panarin for other assets.

If Ottawa can do that, why wouldn't Jarmo do that and use some assets, keep some assets to trade for Duchene.
He should get more for Panarin than it would take to get Duchene.

Ottawa would probably be happy to get a 1st back + mid-round pick + prospect.
birdie03
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 13 @ 5:44 PM ET
I think last night said more about WSH than us, tbh. I thought we looked fresh and played with energy, but were extremely sloppy at times if you rewatch the game. WSH just looked like they had no gas in the tank.

I like the way we are trending and it was a fun game to get 2 points out of, but there is so much season left, still, and for me nothing about the last few wins changes the priorities for CBJ.

Move Bob and Bread for assets that can contribute beyond this season while hopefully finding a way to acquire a piece or two to keep the train moving forward THIS season.

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Biggest things I noticed last night was how strong 3-27 was as a pairing. They were downright dominating the game and it was great to see.

- vertigo1061


I'm with you on not letting this current win streak cloud the future. Trade B&B pre-TDL. If a NHL player is part of the deal, he steps in, and there's no reason we can't still make the playoffs. Or Jarmo flips some assets for that game-changer.
To short-circuit the future for 1 round of playoffs in the present would not be good use of everything available right now.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 13 @ 8:11 PM ET
Called what on Huberdeau ??

And I still don't understand what you said on Ek's blog about a Panarin-Duchene one-for-one. And then Ottawa could flip Panarin for other assets.

If Ottawa can do that, why wouldn't Jarmo do that and use some assets, keep some assets to trade for Duchene.
He should get more for Panarin than it would take to get Duchene.

Ottawa would probably be happy to get a 1st back + mid-round pick + prospect.

- birdie03



I said Panarin plus (add a pick Milano or Carlsson), of course there's the promise Duschene signs an extension, then Ottawa can turn around and trade Panarin to the highest bidder, they rebuild, the Cbj get a skilled forward and a possible move of PLD down the second line with Duschene on the first, hockey in Columbus is saved everyone is happy.

As for the called it on Huberdeau, see my comment two bloggs ago
ghostibator
Washington Capitals
Joined: 02.17.2010

Feb 13 @ 8:52 PM ET
It was poops, it was.
birdie03
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 14 @ 7:59 AM ET
I said Panarin plus (add a pick Milano or Carlsson), of course there's the promise Duschene signs an extension, then Ottawa can turn around and trade Panarin to the highest bidder, they rebuild, the Cbj get a skilled forward and a possible move of PLD down the second line with Duschene on the first, hockey in Columbus is saved everyone is happy.

As for the called it on Huberdeau, see my comment two bloggs ago

- Alexzanki


I think we can get more for Panarin than just Duchene. If I could have one of those two for the next 8 years, I'd take Panarin in a heartbeat. That's not an even-up trade.

I'd rather trade Bread for Huberdeau + prospects/picks. Better for the Jackets going into the future.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 14 @ 9:10 AM ET
I think we can get more for Panarin than just Duchene. If I could have one of those two for the next 8 years, I'd take Panarin in a heartbeat. That's not an even-up trade.

I'd rather trade Bread for Huberdeau + prospects/picks. Better for the Jackets going into the future.

- birdie03



Panarin is a break even trade (same for Bob), I get the lure of getting juicy returns (picks and prospects) for both may be tempting, but unfortunately this team is in a playoff dog fight.

Like I tried to say (because some want it both ways) , Keka will either ride out both until the end of the season, or trade them if a trade makes sense to our playoff chance, meaning getting a guy like Huberdeau or Duschene and hey maybe we resign them long term and keep the team competitive for next season.

Getting more for UFA's is a long shot, hence the break even mentality ....
GeriHattric7
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 01.23.2019

Feb 14 @ 10:49 AM ET
If 'break even' is the mentality why trade Panarin straight up for Duchene? Duchene plays a different position, may have the same low probability to resign in Columbus and changes the team chemistry. Does that even make sense? If you are trading one UFA for another UFA, neither of which has any obligation to re-sign, stick with the guy who is going good for you now, is happy here now, is committed here now.
If the team was tanking and had slipped out of the Wild Card spot and you needed to shake things up okay. But the Russians are playing well, this team is playing well. A one-for-one UFA swap does not make sense. Have to get more back for Bread than just Duchene.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 14 @ 11:19 AM ET
If 'break even' is the mentality why trade Panarin straight up for Duchene? Duchene plays a different position, may have the same low probability to resign in Columbus and changes the team chemistry. Does that even make sense? If you are trading one UFA for another UFA, neither of which has any obligation to re-sign, stick with the guy who is going good for you now, is happy here now, is committed here now.
If the team was tanking and had slipped out of the Wild Card spot and you needed to shake things up okay. But the Russians are playing well, this team is playing well. A one-for-one UFA swap does not make sense. Have to get more back for Bread than just Duchene.

- GeriHattric7


Idea is maybe Duschene or Huberdeau are open to an extension, as for '' chemistry'', based on what you said , then no team should do trades at the deadline.
birdie03
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 14 @ 11:47 AM ET
Idea is maybe Duschene or Huberdeau are open to an extension, as for '' chemistry'', based on what you said , then no team should do trades at the deadline.
- Alexzanki


Huberdeau's under contract for 4 more years @ $5.9M AAV; plus I think he's better offensively than Duchene; plus he's 3 yrs younger. Those are big reasons I'd rather have him + prospects/picks than Duchene. He'll still be in his prime with DuBois, Jones, Werenski; maybe also one or two of Foudy, Texier, Davidsson, Abramov will be a strong points producer.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
Huberdeau's under contract for 4 more years @ $5.9M AAV; plus I think he's better offensively than Duchene; plus he's 3 yrs younger. Those are big reasons I'd rather have him + prospects/picks than Duchene. He'll still be in his prime with DuBois, Jones, Werenski; maybe also one or two of Foudy, Texier, Davidsson, Abramov will be a strong points producer.
- birdie03


I would agree , I'm also crossing my fingers for Huberdeau.
vertigo1061
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.20.2008

Feb 14 @ 1:04 PM ET
The key for Jarmo is to not lose the trade deadline.

You're going to lose a very talented forward and a very talented goaltender. You need to find ways of recouping that value now AND (likely) during the offseason. That value can come in multiple forms:

-Players of equal value to Bread and Bob: Unlikely scenario. How many equivalent players are out there.

-Prospects/Picks: I see this as not just a possibility, but a necessity. Draft picks are the lifeblood of organizations and we're short two in this draft already. This is part of why I see NSH as a likely partner. They're loaded with picks.

-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$: Each player's value is two-fold. 1) Production 2) Money

With Bread, we're underpaying him for the production we're getting. He's going to make a lot more. With Bob, we're mostly horrendously overpaying. He's been terrible in the playoffs (see: remarkably bad) and is at the bottom of the league this season.

Bobrovsky is 33rd in the league in SV%....for $7.4 million a year. That's $7 million in cap space we can spend on other things, so that's where the value really lies in moving Bobrovsky.

Panarin is making $6 million, so there's that as well. Just by moving them we get over $13 million in cap space.

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If CBJ can recoup that value back in ways that are productive moving forward is the real question. Can we flip Panarin for a scoring Center? That'd be huge.

jkumpire
Location:
Joined: 03.16.2009

Feb 15 @ 9:53 AM ET
Gentlemen,

After the complete embarrassment of a game that the CBJ played last night does it really matter what they do with Breadman and Bob? Obviously the team is not good enough to win a series, and may not be good enough to get in the playoffs this year.


Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
Gentlemen,

After the complete embarrassment of a game that the CBJ played last night does it really matter what they do with Breadman and Bob? Obviously the team is not good enough to win a series, and may not be good enough to get in the playoffs this year.

- jkumpire


I,d say it's night and day.....they executed well against Washington then crashed and burned against NY
vertigo1061
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.20.2008

Feb 15 @ 3:45 PM ET
Gentlemen,

After the complete embarrassment of a game that the CBJ played last night does it really matter what they do with Breadman and Bob? Obviously the team is not good enough to win a series, and may not be good enough to get in the playoffs this year.

- jkumpire


I'm not sure how the two really affect each other, tbh. The playoff fate of this team is not tied to Bread or Bob. Great players, but still just two players.

Last night was one game. Just like the win over WSH was one game. The reality of this team is somewhere in the middle of the last two games.

This team, was never going to go deep in the playoffs this season without 1) getting superb goaltending in the playoffs 2) just being hot at the right time.

Looking at the division currently, I feel pretty confident about making the postseason. Once you're in, anything can happen.

CBJ just need to continue working on their game with so much of the season left.
vertigo1061
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.20.2008

Feb 15 @ 3:46 PM ET
I'm not sure how the two really affect each other, tbh. The playoff fate of this team is not tied to Bread or Bob. Great players, but still just two players.

Last night was one game. Just like the win over WSH was one game. The reality of this team is somewhere in the middle of the last two games.

This team, was never going to go deep in the playoffs this season without 1) getting superb goaltending in the playoffs 2) just being hot at the right time.

Looking at the division currently, I feel pretty confident about making the postseason. Once you're in, anything can happen.

CBJ just need to continue working on their game with so much of the season left.

- vertigo1061


I'll also say that I think it's far more likely Bob stays than Bread right now. If he can get hot, keeping Bob for the playoffs might not be the worst idea with how thin the trade market is for goaltenders right now. That said, Bob in the playoffs is