Too much?
- Clyde334

IMO yes

I think you guys could give the Preds a good series, but I feel like the Jets would wear down the Flames over a full playoff series
- Nucker101

That's what they said about Vegas last year.

You're likely not beating NSH or WPG with Rittich/Smith anyway.
- Nucker101

Smith is 2-1 against Nashville with a shutout. Rittich is 2-0 against the Jets. Neither team is scary for the Flames unless they get Stone. They're also likely to bash into each other for two weeks before they'd play the Flames.

If all the teams are at the best in the playoffs, the Sharks are really the only hurdle for the Flames, maybe the Knights.

Love it Todd. Keep pimping the Reverend and MarJo.

Nyquist and Howard package. Make an offer.
- Feds91Stammer

No thanks, unless they'd take Neal for both.

The Flames don't need any middle of the pack players. They need a Stone or some garbage depth guys that can be had for nothing.

No thanks, unless they'd take Neal for both.

The Flames don't need any middle of the pack players. They need a Stone or some garbage depth guys that can be had for nothing.
- Hunkulese

I actually agree!

Realistically what would it take to get Stone out of Ottawa?

1st, Kylington, and Frolik?

More? I'd be willing to add in a Mangiapane with that.

May seem like a lot for a rental. But if you have Stone, where would Frolik slot in?

Mangiapane is replaceable on the 4th line (where he slots for the Flames) with Dube, or Quine, or Lomberg for some toughness.

With Valimaki and the other Stone coming back really where does Kylington fit. And if it comes to more defensive depth I would want some experience for the playoffs.

Almost want to do it more just so that the Jets or Nashville don't get him.

Realistically what would it take to get Stone out of Ottawa?

1st, Kylington, and Frolik?

More? I'd be willing to add in a Mangiapane with that.

May seem like a lot for a rental. But if you have Stone, where would Frolik slot in?

Mangiapane is replaceable on the 4th line (where he slots for the Flames) with Dube, or Quine, or Lomberg for some toughness.

With Valimaki and the other Stone coming back really where does Kylington fit. And if it comes to more defensive depth I would want some experience for the playoffs.

Almost want to do it more just so that the Jets or Nashville don't get him.
- dal_johnson

As much as Stone would be great I’d like to keep Fro some how. His d play is awesome and I think we would miss it big time in the playoffs. His PK play is great as well.

Thanks Carol.

It's going to be Marcus.

Thanks Carol.

It's going to be Marcus.
- FLflames34

Well I hope not.

Realistically what would it take to get Stone out of Ottawa?

1st, Kylington, and Frolik?

More? I'd be willing to add in a Mangiapane with that.

May seem like a lot for a rental. But if you have Stone, where would Frolik slot in?

Mangiapane is replaceable on the 4th line (where he slots for the Flames) with Dube, or Quine, or Lomberg for some toughness.

With Valimaki and the other Stone coming back really where does Kylington fit. And if it comes to more defensive depth I would want some experience for the playoffs.

Almost want to do it more just so that the Jets or Nashville don't get him.
- dal_johnson

It's really hard to say. It kind of all depends on how many teams are actually serious about bringing him in. Best case scenario is they can get him for 1st and a Mangiapane, or a Dube, or even a Foo.

If Nashville, Winnipeg, and Calgary are all fighting for him, the price is going to be astronomical. Something like a 1st, Kylington, Mangiapane, and maybe another pick.

Ottawa has no interest in Frolik. I have no idea how the cap works at this point in the season, so maybe Frolik has to be going the other way to make it work. Frolik also has a NTC.

It's really hard to say. It kind of all depends on how many teams are actually serious about bringing him in. Best case scenario is they can get him for 1st and a Mangiapane, or a Dube, or even a Foo.

If Nashville, Winnipeg, and Calgary are all fighting for him, the price is going to be astronomical. Something like a 1st, Kylington, Mangiapane, and maybe another pick.

Ottawa has no interest in Frolik. I have no idea how the cap works at this point in the season, so maybe Frolik has to be going the other way to make it work. Frolik also has a NTC.
- Hunkulese

Hunkulese do you think Mangiapane and Foo are equal to Dube in trade value. IMO they are not even close! Dube is an A prospect and Mangiapane & Foo are C's.
I think Melnyk/Ottawa will have difficulty spending the cap minimum next year so I could see them having interest in Frolik ( Salary next year is 3M but cap hit is 4.3M)

Hunkulese do you think Mangiapane and Foo are equal to Dube in trade value. IMO they are not even close! Dube is an A prospect and Mangiapane & Foo are C's.
I think Melnyk/Ottawa will have difficulty spending the cap minimum next year so I could see them having interest in Frolik ( Salary next year is 3M but cap hit is 4.3M)
- DEDDIE

Dube is definitely not an A prospect. He's definitely better than Mangiapane and Foo, but he's still likely to end up as a bottom 6 forward. I'd much rather they gave up Mangiapane, but if there's an hour to the deadline and Dorion is on the phone saying that he's trading Stone to the Jets unless the Flames give up Dube instead of Mangiapane, I bet they do it, and it's not a major loss if they do.

No thanks, unless they'd take Neal for both.

The Flames don't need any middle of the pack players. They need a Stone or some garbage depth guys that can be had for nothing.
- Hunkulese

Hell has frozen over...I agree

Hell has frozen oven...I agree
- jessehub

It's really hard to say. It kind of all depends on how many teams are actually serious about bringing him in. Best case scenario is they can get him for 1st and a Mangiapane, or a Dube, or even a Foo.

If Nashville, Winnipeg, and Calgary are all fighting for him, the price is going to be astronomical. Something like a 1st, Kylington, Mangiapane, and maybe another pick.

Ottawa has no interest in Frolik. I have no idea how the cap works at this point in the season, so maybe Frolik has to be going the other way to make it work. Frolik also has a NTC.
- Hunkulese

We would be laughing all the way to the bank if we could get him for a 1st and a Foo or Mangiapane, but I feel like astronomical scenario is more likely. But even at that, that's still somewhat tempting. It's more than I'd want to give up, but it would legitimately mean we were able to acquire the best player available at the TDL to help for the playoffs push.

Gotta say that I disagree with you that Ottawa would have no interest in Frolik, though. Unless the deal took place an hour before the deadline (where they wouldn't have time to flip him), I'm pretty sure they could flip him to a contender for at least a 3rd rounder if not a 2nd.

I'd love to get a player like Nyquist too but I can't see him being all that cheap. You're still probably looking at something like our 1st round pick and a mangiapane.

I’d like to see us go after Toffoli out of LA or Coyle out of Minny. Both have a year remaining on their contracts, which gives us more time to add other prospects; both are right shots; both are affordable and given their play with their teams this year, shouldn’t cost too too much, comparatively.

I’d like to see us go after Toffoli out of LA or Coyle out of Minny. Both have a year remaining on their contracts, which gives us more time to add other prospects; both are right shots; both are affordable and given their play with their teams this year, shouldn’t cost too too much, comparatively.
- TandA4Flames

What are you thinking would have to go back the other way? First and ???

What about a trade like:

2019 1st round pick
Kylington
Mangiapane
2019 3rd round pick

to

Detroit
Nyquist
Kronwall

Gives Kronwall a chance at a cup this year and the option to go back to Detroit if he feels up to another season. I think Kronwall would pair up with Andersson and he would be a perfect veteran going into the playoffs. Nyquist would pencil in on the Backs and Chucky line.

Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm
Tkachuk, Backlund, Nyquist
Bennett, Jankowski, Neal
Frolik, Ryan, Hathaway

Giordano, Brodie
Hanifin, Hamonic
Kronwall, Andersson

Rittich
Smith

What about a trade like:

2019 1st round pick
Kylington
Mangiapane
2019 3rd round pick

to

Detroit
Nyquist
Kronwall

Gives Kronwall a chance at a cup this year and the option to go back to Detroit if he feels up to another season. I think Kronwall would pair up with Andersson and he would be a perfect veteran going into the playoffs. Nyquist would pencil in on the Backs and Chucky line.

Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm
Tkachuk, Backlund, Nyquist
Bennett, Jankowski, Neal
Frolik, Ryan, Hathaway

Giordano, Brodie
Hanifin, Hamonic
Kronwall, Andersson

Rittich
Smith
- buddy_doug

Both Nyquist and Kronwall would b e great adds but I think that price is a bit high.
Kylington was a late 2nd round pick by the Flames in 2015 and is now a proven NHL D man. He's only 21 so he has to be worth more in trade now than the late 2nd used to draft him. He has the value of a high 2nd round pick if not a late 1st IMO. Many 2nd round picks don't ever make the NHL so the fact that he has at 21 has to of increased his value.

Both Nyquist and Kronwall would b e great adds but I think that price is a bit high.
Kylington was a late 2nd round pick by the Flames in 2015 and is now a proven NHL D man. He's only 21 so he has to be worth more in trade now than the late 2nd used to draft him. He has the value of a high 2nd round pick if not a late 1st IMO. Many 2nd round picks don't ever make the NHL so the fact that he has at 21 has to of increased his value.
- DEDDIE

Ya I agree. Kylington is my favorite pick the Flames made that year. I remember when they drafted Andersson I wanted them to take Kylington and the fact we got him a couple picks later was amazing in my mind. It was well worth trading up to get him. I remember that year in early rankings some had Kylington close to a top 10 pick but something about his lack of work ethic or attitude soured popular opinion. I would not trade him for nothing but a cup run and I think this might be the time to go all in for the Flames.

As much as Stone would be great I’d like to keep Fro some how. His d play is awesome and I think we would miss it big time in the playoffs. His PK play is great as well.
- Clyde334

I get what you are saying, but every report I every read or hear on Stone is that he should be in the Selke talk if he was a centre instead of a winger. And if his defensive play is slightly less that Frolik, the offence that he brings in addition to it far outpasses.

Still not sure what it would take. I look at Frolik going as the needed cap space that will be needed in the offseason to re-sign the RFA's. Maybe sweeten the deal if they take Frolik as well?

I’d like to see us go after Toffoli out of LA or Coyle out of Minny. Both have a year remaining on their contracts, which gives us more time to add other prospects; both are right shots; both are affordable and given their play with their teams this year, shouldn’t cost too too much, comparatively.
- TandA4Flames

Not bad... They have some toughness in them too.

I still feel like backup goaltending will be the biggest weakness though.

I feel it's almost inevitable the jets and sharks do something.

Jets really need a 2C so I think they'll be pursuing Duchene/Hayes hard.

Sharks have been trying to add every big name player (Kane, EK) the last couple years and don't think this year will be any different. Rumour has it they haven't begun negotiations with EK suggesting it's an all or nothing year especially with the age of the leaders like Thornton, Pavs, and even Burns who could suddenly fall off a cliff with the edge he plays with.

Not to mention Gio isn't going to put up this year again (most likely) and we gotta pay MT which will push a player out the door like Brodie.

With a solid cheap backup and a player like Stone, why not the Flames for Stanley 2019! As good a shot as anyone else out of the West

That is to say at the right price...