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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
How do you know that for sure?

Ive been in many instances like this myself with a frustrated retaliatory stick coming back at me. I actually have a scar on my chin, 4 stitches from this kinda thing. He apologized over and over, he meant to hit my shoulder. Whats your basis for KNOWING for sure that Malkin wanted to hit him in the face and injure him when he wasnt even looking?

Also worth mentioning is he didnt hit him in the face or injure him.

- MattStrat


Ok. MAYBE, he didn’t try to hit him in the face. I’ll give you that, BUT he wildly swung his stick TO hit him, which is not a hockey play, which is, intent to injure. Even if he was trying to hit him in the shoulder, that’s not a hockey play, it’s a slashing penalty, and he’s doing it, to hurt someone. He purposely swung his stick TO hit someone. That is intent.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
The guy who apologized: why do you think he hit you in the face with his stick? I'm not saying it was premeditated or that he didn't feel bad later. He got probably got pissed, lost his cool, and wanted to get even/exact revenge at that moment. That would classify as intent to injure.
- jmatchett383


He wanted to give me a tap in the upper body/shoulder...the stick got up and clipped my chin. He knew that if he hit my shoulder pads or body I was never going to get injured.
bochangs
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.18.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
"The issue with Patric Hornqvist is unless he is in the top six it doesn’t make sense to pay him the money."

Hornqvist was actually really noticeable last night. Played a great game on the 4th line, created space and headaches in front of the net and had a couple decent scoring chances.

Teddy Blueger should not sit for Matt Cullen.

Cullen won a few HUGE draws in our own zone against the top faceoff team in the league to get the puck out of the zone.

Kessel is actually playing on the left wing. Hello Jarome Iginla.

Last night was the best game I've seen out of Kessel in weeks. He was creating, dekeing through people and creating turnovers.
iworkatinitech
Joined: 11.12.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:50 AM ET
So, let me ask this:

Let's say Malkin doesn't get suspended because he didn't hit Raffl (at least not hard, if at all).

What kind of message does that send? "Hey, you can wildly flail your stick around all you want, unless you hit someone." I'd rather the message be, "Wildly flailing your stick around like that is never ever tolerated." That way, you don't have to wait for a player to have his face bashed in with a stick before action is taken.

That goes for every player on every team.

- jmatchett383

I actually agree with this stance as well...but let me also add that the crap Raffl was doing should also then be looked at, along with the slew foot that was let go. Honestly just saying I'm totally fine with Geno being suspended a game or two (then hopefully he stops with the petulant behavior) but I would like to see all of this crap go away. I mean not comparing or trying to negate Malkin's behavior but he wouldn't have reacted had the refs done THEIR job for once and given Raffl some time in the box before Malkin's reaction...again the fault goes to the refs on this one as much as Malkin IMO. If they actually policed the moron's on the ice (Raffl, Gudas, Cooke [back in the day] etc) then I'm all for policing the victims of their behavior.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:50 AM ET
Not necessarily man. I dont how many times Ive been playing hockey and frustrated who Im playing against and they have slashed me or swung a stick at me in frustration. A lot of times these are good buddies of mine. They dont want me injured and it was never the intent. Just like Geno, it was a split second response in frustration. He wasn't looking at the guy either.

I agree he should never ever swing a stick like that but to think or automatically assume he had intent to injure in a fraction of a second, I dont know.

- MattStrat

No one ever swings their stick at someone without the intent to cause physical pain. It may just be seconds of irrationality but in those moments there’s an intent to injure.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:51 AM ET
Ok. MAYBE, he didn’t try to hit him in the face. I’ll give you that, BUT he wildly swung his stick TO hit him, which is not a hockey play, which is, intent to injure. Even if he was trying to hit him in the shoulder, that’s not a hockey play, it’s a slashing penalty, and he’s doing it, to hurt someone. He purposely swung his stick TO hit someone. That is intent.
- j.boyd919


The swing should NEVER happen. It should be punished. Every man is responsible for their own stick.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 12 @ 9:51 AM ET
Then again, why did he swing his stick about like that? He probably INTENDED to hit Raffl.
- jmatchett383


Nah he was making a play on the puck bro.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Feb 12 @ 9:52 AM ET
The swing should NEVER happen. It should be punished. Every man is responsible for their own stick.
- MattStrat

this applies in more than one way
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:52 AM ET
"The issue with Patric Hornqvist is unless he is in the top six it doesn’t make sense to pay him the money."

Hornqvist was actually really noticeable last night. Played a great game on the 4th line, created space and headaches in front of the net and had a couple decent scoring chances.

Teddy Blueger should not sit for Matt Cullen.

Cullen won a few HUGE draws in our own zone against the top faceoff team in the league to get the puck out of the zone.

Kessel is actually playing on the left wing. Hello Jarome Iginla.

Last night was the best game I've seen out of Kessel in weeks. He was creating, dekeing through people and creating turnovers.

- bochangs



Playing with Malkin and not Brass/Cullen will do wonders huh?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 12 @ 9:52 AM ET
The swing should NEVER happen. It should be punished. Every man is responsible for their own stick.
- MattStrat


And that swing was intended to hit someone, Which is intent to injure.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:52 AM ET
this applies in more than one way
- DeflatedPucks



#MeToo
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:53 AM ET
this applies in more than one way
- DeflatedPucks


hahah indeed.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:54 AM ET
And that swing was intended to hit someone, Which is intent to injure.
- j.boyd919



I dont know. Intent to let the other guy know he's being a pri!ck, for sure. But if that hits anywhere on the body from neck down there's very little chance of injury and the players know this.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 12 @ 9:56 AM ET
I actually agree with this stance as well...but let me also add that the crap Raffl was doing should also then be looked at, along with the slew foot that was let go. Honestly just saying I'm totally fine with Geno being suspended a game or two (then hopefully he stops with the petulant behavior) but I would like to see all of this crap go away. I mean not comparing or trying to negate Malkin's behavior but he wouldn't have reacted had the refs done THEIR job for once and given Raffl some time in the box before Malkin's reaction...again the fault goes to the refs on this one as much as Malkin IMO. If they actually policed the moron's on the ice (Raffl, Gudas, Cooke
- iworkatinitech[back in the day] etc) then I'm all for policing the victims of their behavior.


I missed the slew foot, but I'm not saying it didn't happen. And Raffl should have gotten at least 2, 4 would have been warranted as well. That said, even if the refs did call a penalty, they wouldn't have blown play dead within that split-second, Geno still would have swung his stick, so I don't buy that. But yes, there should have been a penalty to Raffl no doubt.

Also, please don't compare Raffl to Gudas and Cooke. Dude's a pretty solid player, and his on-ice antics are more like Kunitz than a guy like Cooke.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 12 @ 9:57 AM ET
this applies in more than one way
- DeflatedPucks


hahaha
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 12 @ 9:58 AM ET
I dont know. Intent to let the other guy know he's being a pri!ck, for sure. But if that hits anywhere on the body from neck down there's very little chance of injury and the players know this.
- MattStrat


Let's reverse that and say Raffl swings his stick towards Malkin's face after Malkin punches him in the back of the head. How would you feel about it?
bochangs
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.18.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:58 AM ET
Agreed that was an over-reaction by Geno and deserves a suspension, but how does Raffl not at least get a 2 minute penalty for punching to the back of the head? I didn't know that was allowed as per the rulebook? If he didn't do that, Geno wouldn't have spazzed. Geno can't be doing that, but Raffl brought it on himself. And then he had the nerve to pull a Nazem Kadri dive. What a piece of garbage.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 12 @ 9:59 AM ET
I missed the slew foot, but I'm not saying it didn't happen. And Raffl should have gotten at least 2, 4 would have been warranted as well. That said, even if the refs did call a penalty, they wouldn't have blown play dead within that split-second, Geno still would have swung his stick, so I don't buy that. But yes, there should have been a penalty to Raffl no doubt.

Also, please don't compare Raffl to Gudas and Cooke. Dude's a pretty solid player, and his on-ice antics are more like Kunitz than a guy like Cooke.

- jmatchett383

Yeah I’ve never seen Raffl as a dirty guy. Just rough around the edges. I’ve actually never been convinced Gudas is particularly dirty. Just really, really dumb and susceptible to bone headed wreckless plays.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:00 AM ET
Agreed that was an over-reaction by Geno and deserves a suspension, but how does Raffl not at least get a 2 minute penalty for punching to the back of the head? I didn't know that was allowed as per the rulebook? If he didn't do that, Geno wouldn't have spazzed. Geno can't be doing that, but Raffl brought it on himself. And then he had the nerve to pull a Nazem Kadri dive. What a piece of garbage.
- bochangs


Should have been at least 2 on Raffl. But please, don't start a diving war here. Must I post the gif of Crosby diving when the linesman accidentally grazed his helmet?
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Feb 12 @ 10:01 AM ET
\Where is the RW blog describing Malkins Assault and how this doesn't belong in the league and he should be suspended for the season?
bochangs
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.18.2014

Feb 12 @ 10:01 AM ET
Sucker punching someone in the back of the head from behind especially in the neutral zone is a dirtbag move. Therefore Raffl is a dirtbag. Spin it all you want.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Feb 12 @ 10:02 AM ET
Should have been at least 2 on Raffl.
- jmatchett383


The penalty on Giroux and Jake at the end was stupid. Giroux tapped MM, Jake pushed him, G pushed him back now thats roughing? this league is awful. NFL 2.0.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:02 AM ET
\Where is the RW blog describing Malkins Assault and how this doesn't belong in the league and he should be suspended for the season?
- sammy87


He...hasn't posted a blog since the game happened...maybe???
bochangs
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.18.2014

Feb 12 @ 10:03 AM ET
Not starting a diving war. Agree Crosby has made some pansy moves in the past. That doesn't change the fact that Raffl dove last night. Just because Crosby has done it before doesn't mean Raffl has free reign.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:03 AM ET
Sucker punching someone in the back of the head from behind especially in the neutral zone is a dirtbag move. Therefore Raffl is a dirtbag. Spin it all you want.
- bochangs


So in 2012 Game 3, when Malkin sucker-punched Coburn in the back of the head...does that mean that Malkin is a dirtbag, as well?
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