the low threshold of his tank is not last in the league. that is all.
- BobBot

I don't understand your comment?

On Dahlen the kid is learning 2-way hockey.
Doesn’t happen overnight.

On the age gap trades i believe that is done & it’s full on draft & develop & make any hockey trades that fill needs.

As for attaining more picks it’s how high not how many imo. If no good deals then stand pat.

This doesn't seem to be the case to me, why is it sub-standard?
- neem55

The canucks have not had significant development from prospects in the AHL since they were in Chicago and even that was minimal.

On Dahlen the kid is learning 2-way hockey.
Doesn’t happen overnight.

On the age gap trades i believe that is done & it’s full on draft & develop & make any hockey trades that fill needs.

As for attaining more picks it’s how high not how many imo. If no good deals then stand pat.
- Nighthawk

In your opinion has Benning been more successful with his high picks or late picks?

The canucks have not had significant development from prospects in the AHL since they were in Chicago and even that was minimal.
- belcherbd

So you believe another organisation/team would have produced NHlers out of the same players?

The canucks have not had significant development from prospects in the AHL since they were in Chicago and even that was minimal.
- belcherbd

Adding to that management back then were horrible at drafting. Now we are much improved & have the time to better groom picks.

In your opinion has Benning been more successful with his high picks or late picks?
- belcherbd

I like the Brackett years better.

In your opinion has Benning been more successful with his high picks or late picks?
- belcherbd

A good mix of both IMO. Time will tell how good.

Drafting/Developing players is on many levels. As in NHLers are obviously needed from our picks but elite is the aim. If nothing else depth is good where some players take much longer to be depth players & can help Utica become a perennial PO team to breed winners. If that occurs then more trade options present themself for future tweaks for PO runs.

We've done well because youth has arrived and Markstom against all odds has rediscovered why he was considered the best goalie prospect.

The vets have all regressed or always been unimpressive with the exception of Edler.
- belcherbd

Seems a bit heavy handed. The only guys who could remotely handle themselves at the defensive end in Utica are Gaunce and Gaudette. I don't see either as any kind of upgrade yet. Put MAckewen or Dahlen in and they will likely bring a line down in their own end. Maybe if either were top6 guys, but at this point they aren't. Can't have bottom 6 defensive liabilities, that just makes no sense.

So you believe another organisation/team would have produced NHlers out of the same players?
- dbot

Hard to prove but yes that's basically what I'm saying. Drafting is only one part of it.

A good mix of both IMO. Time will tell how good.
- Nighthawk

That's a cop out.

Seems a bit heavy handed. The only guys who could remotely handle themselves at the defensive end in Utica are Gaunce and Gaudette. I don't see either as any kind of upgrade yet. Put MAckewen or Dahlen in and they will likely bring a line down in their own end. Maybe if either were top6 guys, but at this point they aren't. Can't have bottom 6 defensive liabilities, that just makes no sense.
- neem55

I think Gudbranson, Delzotto, Sutter, Granlund and Schaller have hurt more than helped this year. I think they could be replaced by farm players or scraps from other teams and we would be a better team.

Hard to prove but yes that's basically what I'm saying. Drafting is only one part of it.
- belcherbd

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Agreed.
I just think we only recently actually started using all our draft picks and stocking the cupboards, so, the development will take some time.

In saying that, i'd say JV was successfully developed in Utica, same, but to a lesser extent with Gaunce and Gaudette.
OJ was developing slowly (not that there is anything wrong with that) and would have been recalled right now if he was healthy.
Demko is another example of good development.

Hopefully Dahlen, Mack, Lind and Dipietro can be the next wave.

As long as we have kids pushing every year to play on the big club, i'm happy.
i don't care if that's through University, AHL or the SHL.

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Agreed.
I just think we only recently actually started using all our draft picks and stocking the cupboards, so, the development will take some time.

In saying that, i'd say JV was successfully developed in Utica, same, but to a lesser extent with Gaunce and Gaudette.
OJ was developing slowly (not that there is anything wrong with that) and would have been recalled right now if he was healthy.
Demko is another example of good development.

Hopefully Dahlen, Mack, Lind and Dipietro can be the next wave.

As long as we have kids pushing every year to play on the big club, i'm happy.
i don't care if that's through University, AHL or the SHL.
- dbot

I think its improving but I thought the original comment was regarding how we've been unsuccessful historically. I disagree on JV, his time in Utica was IMO started too late and too short. Gaunce I guess could be held up and I like him but it's not like he's very impactful. I would say goalies have been developed well so there's that.

I think its improving but I thought the original comment was regarding how we've been unsuccessful historically. I disagree on JV, his time in Utica was IMO started too late and too short. Gaunce I guess could be held up and I like him but it's not like he's very impactful. I would say goalies have been developed well so there's that.
- belcherbd

Agree to disagree then.
IMO JV's time in Utica with Green was critical to his current game (warts and all).
Gaudette is getting some valuable playing time.
OJ was rounding out nicely before his injury.

I think its improving but I thought the original comment was regarding how we've been unsuccessful historically. I disagree on JV, his time in Utica was IMO started too late and too short. Gaunce I guess could be held up and I like him but it's not like he's very impactful. I would say goalies have been developed well so there's that.
- belcherbd

you haven’t been around in ages and then you drop 20 posts in a row.

You treat your women that way?

IMO the game last night turned when JV and EG said enough around the goalie and the big scrum incurred after that EP set up the tying goal and Marky was light out on Johnny hockey , much to the shagrin of the announcing crew , and it also was JV worst game i thought but he still found away to be noticable and have an impact.

our PK was awesome and it is driven by the unsung guys

and a side note to ZacMac's call up is that Ron McLean will trow some love the nucks way with a good ol PEI boy in the house

I don't understand your comment?
- belcherbd

just mean he's more comfortable around 5-8 range than bottoming out completely

unless a full bottom out is handled like toronto's in the matthews year, then its usually (frank)ing up your team longer term one way or another - and i dont think benning sees that as a good enough trade off for a 20% chance at 1st overall

I think Gudbranson, Delzotto, Sutter, Granlund and Schaller have hurt more than helped this year. I think they could be replaced by farm players or scraps from other teams and we would be a better team.
- belcherbd

yeah i think the gap from ahl to nhl is a bit bigger than that

not hard to look past boucher, gaunce and gaudettes production when they've been up

scraps from other teams perhaps, but why bother if there's little upside (most of these guys are known commodities)? you then also have the hassle of getting rid of your original guys which to me seems like a waste of time/effort when it's effectively a wash

I think Gudbranson, Delzotto, Sutter, Granlund and Schaller have hurt more than helped this year. I think they could be replaced by farm players or scraps from other teams and we would be a better team.
- belcherbd

Most the Ahl kids would get merked in the show, confidence needs to be brought up. That’s what experience gives you is a certain confidence level, which they don’t have yet.

and a side note to ZacMac's call up is that Ron McLean will trow some love the nucks way with a good ol PEI boy in the house
- onesmallleap

The canucks have not had significant development from prospects in the AHL since they were in Chicago and even that was minimal.
- belcherbd

It doesn’t actually follow that it is currently sub-standard, half of the last core grew in Manitoba.seems like theyve established themselves over the past couple years and are growing into a very solid development team.

you haven’t been around in ages and then you drop 20 posts in a row.

You treat your women that way?
- bloatedmosquito

Easy buddy, I'm no dragon. I can only handle one.

I've been avoiding Donna, he has some gloating to do....mostly though I got bored of the same old same old.