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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 2 @ 4:52 PM ET
I mean, you kinda just told me yourself that he’s 7th. I’m certainly not going to the blackjack table and getting blackjacks when I’ve got a pair of queens. My eye test tells me that he probably can and will stick in our top 6, I’m basing this off the numbers which you and I have provided *shrug*

How’d you get the word (frank)in in there lol! Seriously though, I do appreciate the context and I always do. I like Simon, he’s got chemistry all over our lineup and he’s producing. I also remember a lot of people ripping into him last year too for x, y, z reasons

I think something I might do is look at past top 6 linemates and their production and their cap hits as a % of the cap. That’s probably a somewhat relevant measuring stick when looking at Simon. There’s also A TON of potential free agent talent this summer. If Simon doesn’t trend upward this season with his production, are we then going to say that we don’t need to look into potential top 6 wingers this summer because there’s a chemistry risk or something?

- WSCTeton17


So funny enough I was wrong. I forgot to remove Nick Bjugstad, which makes Simon exactly 6 haha.

Listen I don't think you're super wrong. I think he's getting a bump from playing with really good linemates like anyone would in Pittsburgh. But I think he's much closer to top 6 than he is to bottom 6. With the way he's produced, he'd crack the top 6 on at least half the teams in the league.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 4:53 PM ET
It's mistake to use Jake a bench-mark simply because they both came up from WBS and the same comes for comparing him to Sheary for the same reason.

Simon is nothing like either player. He's far more skilled than Sheary, but not the goal-scorer type that Jake is. I think Pens fans use these two extremes now because it's what they know. If they're not like Jake, they're like Sheary. He's like neither of them.

IMO Simon is a guy who's going put up around 50 points a year with around 15 to 20 of those coming from goals.

- Rinosaur

I agree with everything you said, but I always stick with what I said before in that he is still already signed for next season and will be an RFA once again so talking about whether he’s going to be worth $1MM, $3MM, or hell maybe he breaks out over the next 100 games and becomes worth $5MM just doesn’t make sense to me.

So I’m just voicing my opinion and adding my reasoning: to me his best usage (right now) is playing with Crosby or Malkin because I hate watching 72 with 87 which puts him in the middle 6. I also see Rust as a middle 6 guy and part of that is his history of being streaky, but he’s never really broken out yet either (although he’s certainly making a case).

To me too 6 production and top 6 players are two different things. If Brassard produced like we hoped he would, that would’ve been top 6 production. That doesn’t mean he was ever going to be in our top 6 though. He’s middle 6. Is it technical? Sure. I also think when you allstars like Sid and Geno that it’s ok to have an alternative mindset on things like this
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 2 @ 5:00 PM ET
Guentzel is posting top 10 numbers at LW (currently 8th among LWs). He’s above guys like Skinner, E. Kane, Benn, Hoffman. He’s right below guys like Ovi, Marchand, Landeskog, M. Tkatchuk.

The guy is a bonafide stud and a top 10 winger at the moment. Let’s not get greedy and start comparing these guys like Simon to Guentzel who is leagues ahead of him.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:01 PM ET
So funny enough I was wrong. I forgot to remove Nick Bjugstad, which makes Simon exactly 6 haha.

Listen I don't think you're super wrong. I think he's getting a bump from playing with really good linemates like anyone would in Pittsburgh. But I think he's much closer to top 6 than he is to bottom 6. With the way he's produced, he'd crack the top 6 on at least half the teams in the league.

- Victoro311

Well you really pooped on my blackjack line then haha. Again, I like Simon and he’s absolutely been producing and more often than not has looked good anywhere in our top 9. But I’m not penciling him in two years down the road yet either. I also did say that if that RBK line sticks together that Bjug could possibly outproduce him and really so could Rust, right? So would that then later push him from 6 down to 8 even though he’s playing in the top 6? That’s why I like the term “middle 6”

And really if RBK pans out, it’s really going to be more of a line 2B (like HBK) and it’s going to have a cap hit of what, over $11MM? And then Crosby, Simon, and Jake would be like $15.5 (next season), and Malkin, Pearson, Hornqvist would come in at like $18.5MM
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:04 PM ET
I’m not one of those people that share garbage on twitter and FB all day long (although my myspace account is absolutely thriving) but I do kinda wish that the HB platform was a bit more like one of those where we could like or dislike people’s posts. Capfriendly has that but so many of you guys are stats educated and we can go back and forth. All of these other Pens platforms are an absolute nightmare filled with people wanting to bring back Cullen and saying that bringing JJ in will be great “because GMJR said so”
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 2 @ 5:04 PM ET
Guentzel is posting top 10 numbers at LW (currently 8th among LWs). He’s above guys like Skinner, E. Kane, Benn, Hoffman. He’s right below guys like Ovi, Marchand, Landeskog, M. Tkatchuk.

The guy is a bonafide stud and a top 10 winger at the moment. Let’s not get greedy and start comparing these guys like Simon to Guentzel who is leagues ahead of him.

- j.boyd919

I firmly believe that if G was a substantial part of our power play he'd be a 40 goal scorer this year. He's gonna have 30 ES goals easily by game 82 if he stays healthy.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 2 @ 5:07 PM ET
I firmly believe that if G was a substantial part of our power play he'd be a 40 goal scorer this year. He's gonna have 30 ES goals easily by game 82 if he stays healthy.
- Victoro311


I would probably agree with that. I do love that he does it all at 5v5 though. Makes him so valuable to be able to do that at 5v5 while letting the PP do their thing.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 2 @ 5:15 PM ET
I’m not one of those people that share garbage on twitter and FB all day long (although my myspace account is absolutely thriving) but I do kinda wish that the HB platform was a bit more like one of those where we could like or dislike people’s posts. Capfriendly has that but so many of you guys are stats educated and we can go back and forth. All of these other Pens platforms are an absolute nightmare filled with people wanting to bring back Cullen and saying that bringing JJ in will be great “because GMJR said so”
- WSCTeton17


I learned to not look at the social media Penguins stuff a long time ago. It's riddled with idiots with idiotic ideas in the comments sections. Actually found myself getting irratated by it.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 2 @ 5:17 PM ET
I’m not one of those people that share garbage on twitter and FB all day long (although my myspace account is absolutely thriving) but I do kinda wish that the HB platform was a bit more like one of those where we could like or dislike people’s posts. Capfriendly has that but so many of you guys are stats educated and we can go back and forth. All of these other Pens platforms are an absolute nightmare filled with people wanting to bring back Cullen and saying that bringing JJ in will be great “because GMJR said so”
- WSCTeton17

Eh. That's what reddit's like and I don't think it lends itself well to sports or politics because people just downvote opinions that they don't agree with regardless of how well thought out they are and it turns into petty downvote wars.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:22 PM ET
I think you're missing the point. Yes, Landeskog is the better player and I wouldn't argue that even for a second. It's to show that Simon has all abilities to make him a top-six player.
- Rinosaur

Besides points. Those don’t matter when you have good charts. You brain dead zombies entertain the f uck out of me.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:25 PM ET
Eh. That's what reddit's like and I don't think it lends itself well to sports or politics because people just downvote opinions that they don't agree with regardless of how well thought out they are and it turns into petty downvote wars.
- Victoro311

Yeah. Maybe not a don’t like button, but maybe just a like button so when someone really nails a post we can all just hit like instead of quoting it repeatedly. Would probably take a decent sized chunk of comments away though
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 2 @ 5:27 PM ET
Besides points. Those don’t matter when you have good charts. You brain dead zombies entertain the f uck out of me.
- Grinder47


This is also coming from the guy who values physical strength over points. Keep it coming, dipshiiit.

WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:28 PM ET
Does anyone want to chime in on expectations for tonight? I’d like to see the new guys in on secondary special teams. Everyone says McCann is a good PKer and I haven’t seen anyone knowledgeable say otherwise. With Geno out again, I’d like to really test the guys tonight and maybe get Bjug closer to 17 minutes as a 2C and see if we can get McCann to like 13 or 14. Maybe with more ice time he’ll get more comfortable or maybe it’s just too soon. We’ll see
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 2 @ 5:33 PM ET
Yeah. Maybe not a don’t like button, but maybe just a like button so when someone really nails a post we can all just hit like instead of quoting it repeatedly. Would probably take a decent sized chunk of comments away though
- WSCTeton17

That’s how SB Nation is and I like it a lot. Also helpful for finding the best comments because after a certain number of likes the posts turn a different color.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 2 @ 5:36 PM ET
Besides points. Those don’t matter when you have good charts. You brain dead zombies entertain the f uck out of me.
- Grinder47


I see quite a bit of intellectual thought and conversation going on around here regularly, Grinder. Hard for zombies to pull off.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 2 @ 5:49 PM ET
This is also coming from the guy who values physical strength over points. Keep it coming, dipshiiit.
- Rinosaur


What’s comical is that the guy who’s stuck in the Stone Age for the sport who’s only a fan of knuckle draggers and mouth breathers is calling the guys who enjoy learning about the sport in other ways, you know... actually using their brain to look at new ways to analyze players and the sport, brain dead.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 6:17 PM ET
Who do I play tonight: Perry (1st line and PP2 or Patches who was -1 and played under 16 minutes yesterday?

I feel like I can’t sit Meier, Seguin, Hayes, nyquist, or Rantanen for obvious reasons. I’ve got a good feeling like Perry is going to be a huge spark plug and provide offense but he’s also playing in Winnipeg and Patches is at Florida. I have like half an hour or whatever to make the change or not. RN Patches is in and Perry is out
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 6:24 PM ET
Couple side notes: I think Point is actually the biggest offer sheet candidate. Matthews and Marner are going to get paid and aren’t going to take discounts. TB now has a repuatation for signing players lower than what people expect. Maybe if he doesn’t sign an offer sheet then he gets 8x7.5 or 8x8 (I think they may try to keep Stamkos as his ceiling) but other teams likely might offer $9.5MM, maybe $10MM for him. Adds a little more presssure to TB

Just saw McCann walking out before yesterdays game down the tunnel chugging a red bull with 3 sticks in his hand. I think the new guys will fit in just fine
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 6:27 PM ET
Who do I play tonight: Perry (1st line and PP2 or Patches who was -1 and played under 16 minutes yesterday?

I feel like I can’t sit Meier, Seguin, Hayes, nyquist, or Rantanen for obvious reasons. I’ve got a good feeling like Perry is going to be a huge spark plug and provide offense but he’s also playing in Winnipeg and Patches is at Florida. I have like half an hour or whatever to make the change or not. RN Patches is in and Perry is out

- WSCTeton17

Larkin is out. That has to hurt Nyquists value. So Perry in and Nyquist out unless told otherwise
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Feb 2 @ 6:37 PM ET
Rusty has 14G 12A in 50 GP this year. After that awful start that's pretty great. Somehow his shooting % is 3% higher than his career norm though.
- Thorny87


Rust is a much better player on the right side than on the left side. Forcing Simon onto the top line is going to hurt Rust big time.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 2 @ 6:53 PM ET
Larkin is out. That has to hurt Nyquists value. So Perry in and Nyquist out unless told otherwise
- WSCTeton17


Personally I usually don't activate a player fresh off IR the first game or two they're back if my other players are satisfying me...if it's like a top 20 fantasy guy I will probably make the exception but I just find players after long layoffs usually take a few games to get going. Also, sometimes they're eased back in and get less time than they normally would.

In my league you can't use a player the day you pick him up.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 2 @ 6:56 PM ET
Couple side notes: I think Point is actually the biggest offer sheet candidate. Matthews and Marner are going to get paid and aren’t going to take discounts. TB now has a repuatation for signing players lower than what people expect. Maybe if he doesn’t sign an offer sheet then he gets 8x7.5 or 8x8 (I think they may try to keep Stamkos as his ceiling) but other teams likely might offer $9.5MM, maybe $10MM for him. Adds a little more presssure to TB

Just saw McCann walking out before yesterdays game down the tunnel chugging a red bull with 3 sticks in his hand. I think the new guys will fit in just fine

- WSCTeton17


The more I stew on the trade the more I like it.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 2 @ 6:57 PM ET
What’s comical is that the guy who’s stuck in the Stone Age for the sport who’s only a fan of knuckle draggers and mouth breathers is calling the guys who enjoy learning about the sport in other ways, you know... actually using their brain to look at new ways to analyze players and the sport, brain dead.
- j.boyd919


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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 2 @ 7:08 PM ET
I think this is going to be a tougher game than TB. TOR is a much faster team and the Pens tend to get caught up on the North/South game which is no longer their strength.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 2 @ 7:10 PM ET
Personally I usually don't activate a player fresh off IR the first game or two they're back if my other players are satisfying me...if it's like a top 20 fantasy guy I will probably make the exception but I just find players after long layoffs usually take a few games to get going. Also, sometimes they're eased back in and get less time than they normally would.

In my league you can't use a player the day you pick him up.

- MattStrat

They’ve already said he’s skating with Getzlaf and Rackell which should produce some level of shots/offense. Perry hits a bit more than Nyquist too. Shots, hits, and assists are really the only categories I need help with to continue dominating this matchup so I think Perry is the right choice especially with Larkin our for DET
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