This discussion wont play out for a few years but I can understand why upper management felt the need to move on from Hexy.

Again I think the big gatekeeper on what the leadership approach is will be this TDL but more importantly this offseason.

If we start making deals like Tk and Ghost for Quick then we are in a world of trouble. Either way Im willing to give Fletcher a chance as , we can just agree to disagree on this, I felt Hextall had become a bit stale in his approach.

As for the one and done thing...2 wins away from the Cup is the closest we have come for how many years? Ill take 2 wins away from a theoretical "multiple sustained runs"
- opeth_pa

100% agree with much of what you said. I keep hearing how bad Holmgren was. I enjoy the Flyers when they are relevant . 2 wins away from a cup is relevancy . Right now they are not. To me that's on Hextall. We were in year 5 of his reign and the NHL team was heading in the wrong direction. There needed to be change and the owners didn't think Hextall would make those tough moves otherwise he still might be the GM.

Because there weren't/aren't good moves to make. Which was kind of Hextall's point. I don't think he was anti-move, but I do think he was "anti-move just for the sake of making a move," whereas Scott seems to be a "make some moves!!!!!!1" kind of guy.
- Scoob

Seemed Scott didn’t truly understand it takes two teams to complete a trade. Plus, Hexy was reportedly very close-lipped with pretty much everything. He could have had several trade discussions or even one in the works prior to being fired.

100% agree with much of what you said. I keep hearing how bad Holmgren was. I enjoy the Flyers when they are relevant . 2 wins away from a cup is relevancy . Right now they are not. To me that's on Hextall. We were in year 5 of his reign and the NHL team was heading in the wrong direction. There needed to be change and the owners didn't think Hextall would make those tough moves otherwise he still might be the GM.
- landros 2

But what if some of those moves Homer made to keep us relevant are what prevented Hextall from staying relevant🤔

Seemed Scott didn’t truly understand it takes two teams to complete a trade. Plus, Hexy was reportedly very close-lipped with pretty much everything. He could have had several trade discussions or even one in the works prior to being fired.
- arichardson22

I'm pretty sure the bold is 100% accurate.

It also shows a distinct lack of awareness. Despite what some here believe, they were forced to call up Hart due to injuries. It wasn't a genius move by Fletcher or Scott.
- Scoob

that's true as well. Circumstance is the only reason Hart is here. I don't know what to make of Scott. But I also think Holmgren and Fletch are competent hockey guys as is Clarke. To me those are the guys that will have the input. Im fine with ownership saying they will spend and they will be aggressive. It opens up the opportunity to get better.

I don't know that it's fair to have the expectation that Fletcher improves the team at the deadline.
- MJL

How is that not fair? He has two UFAs I consider to have some value, he doesn't have to get just picks and prospects for them. Plus he has an abundance of assets that will not all be Flyers. Doesn't mean he has to go to either extreme, but he has plenty to work with to improve this team.

Again this doesn't mean going after a big name and giving up half the farm to acquire them, there are many improvements in the middle. This is the time teams improve, maybe not at first, but you get the right players and it makes the offseason that much easier.

100% agree with much of what you said. I keep hearing how bad Holmgren was. I enjoy the Flyers when they are relevant . 2 wins away from a cup is relevancy . Right now they are not. To me that's on Hextall. We were in year 5 of his reign and the NHL team was heading in the wrong direction. There needed to be change and the owners didn't think Hextall would make those tough moves otherwise he still might be the GM.
- landros 2

Holmgren is my favorite GM in the last 20 years.

I'm pretty sure the bold is 100% accurate.
- Scoob

No it’s not...don’t kid yourself. Scott may have been out of the communication loop of the trade market...how difficult it is right now, but this comment insults basic intelligence. IMO, you’re off base.

But what if some of those moves Homer made to keep us relevant are what prevented Hextall from staying relevant🤔
- arichardson22

early on I think Hex had some tough contracts for sure and did have his hands tied somewhat, that's a fair comment. Although I remember some arguing vehemently that the Flyers were not in cap trouble and those contracts didn't prevent the Flyers from being aggressive. But most of us can count. I like a lot of what Hextall did...but to me his progress stalled and actually was heading in the wrong direction.

Holmgren is my favorite GM in the last 20 years.
- SuperSchennBros

mine is Clarke.

I agree with all of that. Hextall and Hakstol for that matter believed in patiently developing players. I also agree with those that stated that they were forced to call up Hart. Some are complaining that still the Flyers are reluctant to call up players such as Myers. I want them to do whatever they feel is best for the young players.
- MJL

That's all we can ask for. Each player develops at a different pace.

No it’s not...don’t kid yourself. Scott may have been out of the communication loop of the trade market...how difficult it is right now, but this comment insults basic intelligence. IMO, you’re off base.
- NC Flyers Fan

Considering Scott has zero experience on the hockey side of an NHL organization, you never know; he may lack basic intelligence in that area. Now on the business side of things or in general as a human being, he doesn’t lack basic intelligence, and is likely an expert to some degree (business) given his title.

Ek says Flyers are working on re-signing Simmonds so I guess we should be ready to say goodbye.

Is there a large difference between Dave Scott demanding an “action bias” and the idiots in the upper bowl that constantly yell “Shoooot it!” during a power play?

We also saw under Holmgren that the team he built wasn't sustainable. It had to be broken up. I have no doubt that the Flyers under Fletcher can use cap space and assets to wheel and deal to make the team better but to what end? Hextall wanted to build a team that was sustainable to take multiple runs at it over a wide ranging period of time. Not a one and done.
- MJL

At this point I will be fine with 1.

early on I think Hex had some tough contracts for sure and did have his hands tied somewhat, that's a fair comment. Although I remember some arguing vehemently that the Flyers were not in cap trouble and those contracts didn't prevent the Flyers from being aggressive. But most of us can count. I like a lot of what Hextall did...but to me his progress stalled and actually was heading in the wrong direction.
- landros 2

I agreed it stalled, but to some degree I don’t think it was him sayin ah screw it what’s another year of doing nothing. He made offers for Bozak, De Haan, and chased Statsny. Like trades, it takes the two parties to agree in free agency. Now would any of those 3 guys fix our problems? Eh they would have helped but still we’d be hurt by the goaltending. The one move that I don’t blame anyone for that really screwed us for years is Pronger going down. That trade without getting the full years of Pronger we expected really screwed us. And it made Homer do a bunch of silly “ripple effect” trades.

Here is kind of my feeling on Dave Scott.

I know what he is saying but is it actually going to work out that way. i feel his "we will be a cap team and put best team on ice" is more him trying to bring out some Snider bluster to keep fans interested moving forward.

I know people like to assume that Fletcher was kind of brought in to be a yes man but I don't see too smart hockey guys like Fletcher and Holmgren putting this team back into cap hell or moving every prospect in bad trades.

Considering Scott has zero experience on the hockey side of an NHL organization, you never know; he may lack basic intelligence in that area. Now on the business side of things or in general as a human being, he doesn’t lack basic intelligence, and is likely an expert to some degree (business) given his title.
- arichardson22

Which is why I said that...trade is the act of buying or selling goods or services between two or more parties. Basic definition...applies to business as well as hockey.

Ek says Flyers are working on re-signing Simmonds so I guess we should be ready to say goodbye.
- hereticpride

For all we know that deal could be sign and trade, but that could also lower his value then.

Ek says Flyers are working on re-signing Simmonds so I guess we should be ready to say goodbye.
- hereticpride

The smart thing would be to get figures and term, and then say we need to move you to get some assets but if you really want to come back we can try to make it happen in UFA.

The smart thing would be to get figures and term, and then say we need to move you to get some assets but if you really want to come back we can try to make it happen in UFA.
- J35Bacher

This.

No it’s not...don’t kid yourself. Scott may have been out of the communication loop of the trade market...how difficult it is right now, but this comment insults basic intelligence. IMO, you’re off base.
- NC Flyers Fan

okay, terrific

The smart thing would be to get figures and term, and then say we need to move you to get some assets but if you really want to come back we can try to make it happen in UFA.
- J35Bacher

I'm sure they already know exactly what he's looking for. I would move him and if what he's asking for comes way down I would consider talking to him as a UFA. He's rumored to be seeking 6 years though and that's basically a nonstarter for me personally.

Is there a large difference between Dave Scott demanding an “action bias” and the idiots in the upper bowl that constantly yell “Shoooot it!” during a power play?
- StepfordSam

Nope

The smart thing would be to get figures and term, and then say we need to move you to get some assets but if you really want to come back we can try to make it happen in UFA.
- J35Bacher

That also depends on the team the Flyers trade with for assets. I'm sure the other team will want discussions first to find out what his plans are and if he gives them the cold shoulder about committing then that might lower value on what people think he will bring back. Some teams may not even want to re-sign him and just want him for the playoff push. All depends on the team and the conditions of the trade, which most will have something revolving around him re-signing.

Then you have the issues with the backdoor deal of trading then re-signing him later. Deals like that can fall apart very easily and one side is stuck.

Now what if the Flyers and Simmonds want the re-sign in the offseason. Back to square one negotiating term and all it takes is one other team to be interested for the Flyers to get stuck with a 4-5 year term to re-sign him.

The best course is make the decision now, either re-sign or trade and move on.