Wasn't too long ago that the board was screaming about the lack of Cs on the team.
- CanOCorn

Yeah that damn Schmaltz trade only brought as back an actual Center in Strome and that bum Kampf can't score

I like that kid also, he lit someone up pretty good on the Kings a couple weeks ago, and because fighting is taken out of the game, which now reverts to if you check someone hard and clean you feel you have to defend yourself, but anyways what I’m trying to say is this kid was being challenged by Dion Phanuef, even though it is wrong I would’ve loved to seen him say OK let’s see what you got. And had a good scrap. But I totally agree with those on another front, it is a crock of crap that if you you hit someone good and hard and legal you have to defend yourself., That is all because the lawyers took a good old fashion hockey scrap out of the game. With the stupid instigator rule and suspensions. But yes I would love to see this kid in a hawk uniform. Probably not going to happen Though.
- wonthecup10

Well he is available and the upside is huge and if Stan really wants to improve the backend this kid is worth a phone call.

Kunitz yes Hayden no still think imo there upside to him and can be a valuable player going forward just needs playing time.
- Scott1977

I still remember Hayden's first NHL goal, and I hoped it was a sign of more to come. It hasn't quite worked out that way thus far. He certainly brings toughness, if nothing else. No idea if there will be more than that to his game in the NHL.

Let's be realistic about trade potential and the cap.

1. Cap

A. $50MM today in seven guys - 19, 88, 2, 7, 20, 50, 15 - 5 NMCs, 1 L-NTC
B. $79.5MM is today's cap
C. Oil prices and Looney both crashing again
D. Let's be generous - cap goes to $82MM next year.
E. Leaves $32MM with no trades to sign 16 players - avg $2MM per guy
F. Who do the Hawks need/want to pay to keep?

2. Trades

A. Consent - No one with an NMC or NTC will go to a marginally better team with no chance to compete. So cross off ANY deal involving those guys with OTT, EDM, or any other bottom ten team.

B. Value back - Sometimes cap space is all one can get, but moving at least Saad and AA for example gets them $10.4MM. That is very helpful. Better than trading turd deal for turd deal, because that does not solve any problems.

C. Market value - Any meaningful UFA/RFA is going to cost about 30-50% more than they did like 5+ years ago. Adding one guy isn't going to be enough. But at $6MM+ per guy in that crowd, there is not a lot of room to add FAs.

D. Who are the buyers? - Teams that are terrible (consent issues), or teams that don't have enough space to sign the guys the Hawks want to move (playoff/Cup contenders).

Best not to dwell on deals that will never happen with bottom dweller teams that have cap space, or holding out for the moon when at least the cap space can be freed up.

Prospects are two years away to even know if they will stick.

Kunitz yes Hayden no still think imo there upside to him and can be a valuable player going forward just needs playing time.
- Scott1977

Hayden is on the table to be traded . It's the right move he has been up here now since 2016 and his performance hasn't grown

I like that kid also, he lit someone up pretty good on the Kings a couple weeks ago, and because fighting is taken out of the game, which now reverts to if you check someone hard and clean you feel you have to defend yourself, but anyways what I’m trying to say is this kid was being challenged by Dion Phanuef, even though it is wrong I would’ve loved to seen him say OK let’s see what you got. And had a good scrap. But I totally agree with those on another front, it is a crock of crap that if you you hit someone good and hard and legal you have to defend yourself., That is all because the lawyers took a good old fashion hockey scrap out of the game. With the stupid instigator rule and suspensions. But yes I would love to see this kid in a hawk uniform. Probably not going to happen Though.
- wonthecup10

Agree on both fronts. Ridiculous the clean big hit is being all but removed from the game. I didn't have a problem removing the clear dirty ones to protect players but to have guys have to defend themselves every time they make a good clean hit is ridiculous. Yeah, while I'd love to have him idk if I can see it happening or not. That's the type of guy they need to target though. Defensive minded D-Man who's young (mid 20s) and either signed or willing to sign a team friendly deal while helping improve our backend and grow with the up and coming D 'spects we got. Similar to what the Hawks did before trading for Oduya (yes I realize Oduya was 31 at the time of the deal).

Let's be realistic about trade potential and the cap.

1. Cap

A. $50MM today in seven guys - 19, 88, 2, 7, 20, 50, 15 - 5 NMCs, 1 L-NTC
B. $79.5MM is today's cap
C. Oil prices and Looney both crashing again
D. Let's be generous - cap goes to $82MM next year.
E. Leaves $32MM with no trades to sign 16 players - avg $2MM per guy
F. Who do the Hawks need/want to pay to keep?

2. Trades

A. Consent - No one with an NMC or NTC will go to a marginally better team with no chance to compete. So cross off ANY deal involving those guys with OTT, EDM, or any other bottom ten team.

B. Value back - Sometimes cap space is all one can get, but moving at least Saad and AA for example gets them $10.4MM. That is very helpful. Better than trading turd deal for turd deal, because that does not solve any problems.

C. Market value - Any meaningful UFA/RFA is going to cost about 30-50% more than they did like 5+ years ago. Adding one guy isn't going to be enough. But at $6MM+ per guy in that crowd, there is not a lot of room to add FAs.

D. Who are the buyers? - Teams that are terrible (consent issues), or teams that don't have enough space to sign the guys the Hawks want to move (playoff/Cup contenders).

Best not to dwell on deals that will never happen with bottom dweller teams that have cap space, or holding out for the moon when at least the cap space can be freed up.

Prospects are two years away to even know if they will stick.
- Return of the Roar

To your point about UFAs costing 30-50% more, why trade Saad, only to sign someone no better offensively, and probably worse defensively, to the same cap hit?

Hayden is on the table to be traded . It's the right move he has been up here now since 2016 and his performance hasn't grown
- Taylorst1

I agree. I know a lot of posters love his game, but I don't see him as anything more than a fourth liner.

To your point about UFAs costing 30-50% more, why trade Saad, only to sign someone no better offensively, and probably worse defensively, to the same cap hit?
- tvetter

Wasn't necessarily advocating that. Just pointing out the math using him and AA as examples.

I agree. I know a lot of posters love his game, but I don't see him as anything more than a fourth liner.
- tvetter

Sometimes it's best to cut your losses and just move on. He probably gets your a 5th or6th round pick but it's his cap space and slot is more valuable.

I just read that, however what they say in public and what is discussed behind the scenes and needed to put the deal over the top to complete is a different story .

Example Debrincat going to Edmonton you know Chicago is getting edmontons 1st and they know their giving it up.
- Taylorst1

Why would we trade the cat on a entry level contract and is a sniper for a what 10/15th pick in the first round for a maybe nhl player? We need players on entry level deals because our veteran players ARENT LEAVING unless they choose to wave

Why would we trade the cat on a entry level contract and is a sniper for a what 10/15th pick in the first round for a maybe nhl player? We need players on entry level deals because our veteran players ARENT LEAVING unless they choose to wave
- Abadseed

Who said we are trading cat did you misunderstand the word example?

Ok Wrap your head around this...I didn't say Johnny Toes was a bad Captain. What I did say was Seabs might have been better.
- Beaver-Warrior

I have read a lot of dumb things on here, but this my friend is the dumbest! It is so dumb that I am not even going to try and list all of his accomplishments as a leader.

Sometimes it's best to cut your losses and just move on. He probably gets your a 5th or6th round pick but it's his cap space and slot is more valuable.
- Taylorst1

How is Hayden still cap space so valuable? He make 750,000 this year and next we will need a lower hit like his to offset someone else s higher cost. And for a 5/6rounder what’s the point. There isn’t anyone at the rock with his size

How is Hayden still cap space so valuable? He make 750,000 this year and next we will need a lower hit like his to offset someone else s higher cost. And for a 5/6rounder what’s the point. There isn’t anyone at the rock with his size
- Abadseed

Next year his cap hit is 1.5 according to reports that he was resigned for

Wasn't necessarily advocating that. Just pointing out the math using him and AA as examples.
- Return of the Roar

I know, but many others have talked about trading him. I was just using your post to give an example as to why that may not be a good idea. I could be open to trading him based on the return, but not just to get cap space.

I know, but many others have talked about trading him. I was just using your post to give an example as to why that may not be a good idea. I could be open to trading him based on the return, but not just to get cap space.
- tvetter

I do believe Chicago is and will move anismov his stats are horrible and he doesnt live up to the value and expectations of his contract. That's why he is now on the 4th line.

His numbers are a bit inflated. He got most of his points here in chicago when He was healthy playing with 2 dynamic wingers.

Next year his cap hit is 1.5 according to reports that he was resigned for
- Taylorst1

Maybe it was a two year deal? Cap central shows 750 thins year and next.

On the Canuck site they were talking about whether or not to bring up Hughes which brings up the question do we bring up any of this past years draft up for more then 10 games which would make us have to protect them in the next expansion draft

I have read a lot of dumb things on here, but this my friend is the dumbest! It is so dumb that I am not even going to try and list all of his accomplishments as a leader.
- Boisy12

Thank you, thank you..

I honestly don't see any issue with the hawks sitting a different defenseman. I think theres nothing to it besides them resting guys because although most of us have checked out on them this season I still think they probably feel they have a small 5 game or so window to see if they can make a miraculous run to a playoff spot. I know.... So they rest various guys on defense in case they go on a long run in the playoffs if they get there. I think with the way we have been playing that they are turning a corner and they still believe they can squeeze into the playoffs. I think the overall issue with our team is defense, we have too many offensive minded defensemen, therefore we are getting terrible defensive coverage from most of the defense leading to higher scoring chances for the opposition. Our best defenseman who was an absolute beast on defense Hjarmlson is no longer with us and we traded him for another offensive minded defenseman. Murphy is decent but we need more defensive, defensemen that can actually play and keep the puck away from the net.

My suggestion is to part with Saad for a top notch defensive defenseman and build another Saad internally. I saw a recent comment by someone else who mentioned this same thing. Our defense is full of offensive defensemen who can't play defense well.

My two cents!

Bowman should find out if Ryan Kesler is available. He's big and tough and he hits like no other human being ....
- paulr

No one can withstand so many hits. Hits will break you. (insert Ivan Drago pic).

Thank you, thank you..
- Beaver-Warrior

YEAH! Why don't you know anything?

I honestly don't see any issue with the hawks sitting a different defenseman. I think theres nothing to it besides them resting guys because although most of us have checked out on them this season I still think they probably feel they have a small 5 game or so window to see if they can make a miraculous run to a playoff spot. I know.... So they rest various guys on defense in case they go on a long run in the playoffs if they get there. I think with the way we have been playing that they are turning a corner and they still believe they can squeeze into the playoffs. I think the overall issue with our team is defense, we have too many offensive minded defensemen, therefore we are getting terrible defensive coverage from most of the defense leading to higher scoring chances for the opposition. Our best defenseman who was an absolute beast on defense Hjarmlson is no longer with us and we traded him for another offensive minded defenseman. Murphy is decent but we need more defensive, defensemen that can actually play and keep the puck away from the net.

My suggestion is to part with Saad for a top notch defensive defenseman and build another Saad internally. I saw a recent comment by someone else who mentioned this same thing. Our defense is full of offensive defensemen who can't play defense well.

My two cents!
- Hawk4life

Ummm Murphy is not an offensive minded d-men and he probably is our best d-men right now......

The problem is we have 1 offensive d-men on the roster in Gustafson and we need to play him even though he is literally the 2nd worst d-men in the league in his own end (per whoever posted those stats earlier). We need puck moving d-men who are adequate in our end. Those are coming up the pipeline.

To your point about UFAs costing 30-50% more, why trade Saad, only to sign someone no better offensively, and probably worse defensively, to the same cap hit?
- tvetter

I think you trade Saad because there are better options out there and we don't need offense help, we need defense help.

Let's be realistic about trade potential and the cap.

1. Cap

A. $50MM today in seven guys - 19, 88, 2, 7, 20, 50, 15 - 5 NMCs, 1 L-NTC
B. $79.5MM is today's cap
C. Oil prices and Looney both crashing again
D. Let's be generous - cap goes to $82MM next year.
E. Leaves $32MM with no trades to sign 16 players - avg $2MM per guy
F. Who do the Hawks need/want to pay to keep?

2. Trades

A. Consent - No one with an NMC or NTC will go to a marginally better team with no chance to compete. So cross off ANY deal involving those guys with OTT, EDM, or any other bottom ten team.

B. Value back - Sometimes cap space is all one can get, but moving at least Saad and AA for example gets them $10.4MM. That is very helpful. Better than trading turd deal for turd deal, because that does not solve any problems.

C. Market value - Any meaningful UFA/RFA is going to cost about 30-50% more than they did like 5+ years ago. Adding one guy isn't going to be enough. But at $6MM+ per guy in that crowd, there is not a lot of room to add FAs.

D. Who are the buyers? - Teams that are terrible (consent issues), or teams that don't have enough space to sign the guys the Hawks want to move (playoff/Cup contenders).

Best not to dwell on deals that will never happen with bottom dweller teams that have cap space, or holding out for the moon when at least the cap space can be freed up.

Prospects are two years away to even know if they will stick.
- Return of the Roar

I agree to trade both.