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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 11 @ 8:39 AM ET
Solid 1st, not so much after. Hart was fantastic and the PK was very strong. Also it was nice to see JVR react to his 4th line demotion by playing with some drive and determination.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 11 @ 8:40 AM ET
Ok, how about a a classic 3 way deal. To the Flyers Tarasenko, Panarin. To St Louis Bobrovsky, Conditional Columbus first (2020), Conditional Flyers 1st Flyers (2020). To Columbus Allen, Voracek, and Simmonds.
- youarewrong

Why would Columbus want Allen? If I were Jarmo, I’d be talking to Chicago about Crawford. Put Crawford behind a good team like Columbus and he’s a guy that can lead you to a Cup.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 11 @ 8:41 AM ET
Solid 1st, not so much after. Hart was fantastic and the PK was very strong. Also it was nice to see JVR react to his 4th line demotion by playing with some drive and determination.
- BiggE

It's what happens when you piss off a pigeon
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 11 @ 8:41 AM ET
Why would Columbus want Allen? If I were Jarmo, I’d be talking to Chicago about Crawford. Put Crawford behind a good team like Columbus and he’s a guy that can lead you to a Cup.
- BiggE


Isnt Crawford long term injured?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 11 @ 8:43 AM ET
Isnt Crawford long term injured?
- Tfaehner

Didn’t know that, but if so, then I’m talking to LA about Quick. There’s no way I’d want Allen backstopping my team for a playoff run.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 11 @ 8:43 AM ET
Why would Columbus want Allen? If I were Jarmo, I’d be talking to Chicago about Crawford. Put Crawford behind a good team like Columbus and he’s a guy that can lead you to a Cup.
- BiggE

Korpi their guy? Still think Columbus may want more in that case
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Jan 11 @ 8:46 AM ET
Timely saves go a long way to help a team win.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 11 @ 9:03 AM ET
ttt
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 11 @ 9:04 AM ET
Why would Columbus want Allen? If I were Jarmo, I’d be talking to Chicago about Crawford. Put Crawford behind a good team like Columbus and he’s a guy that can lead you to a Cup.
- BiggE


Good call Bigg. His premise got my attention, but yes, Columbus would want a guy like Crawford if they are going for it. Lots of parts to make work. Guess that’s why multi team deals are seldom seen.

Been in FL taking care of my mother, so haven’t been on much. However, I do miss some of the twisted humor I get from this you guys.👍
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 11 @ 9:04 AM ET
It's not really a revelation by Montgomery. Every Flyer fan has been watching that happen pretty much all season.
- MJL


True, but to have an opposing coach come right out and say it is not the norm. It's refreshing, though. lol
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 11 @ 9:07 AM ET
So who was wearing #25 last night? Rarely see that jersey during a game but it showed up fairly frequently last night.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
Why would Columbus want Allen? If I were Jarmo, I’d be talking to Chicago about Crawford. Put Crawford behind a good team like Columbus and he’s a guy that can lead you to a Cup.
- BiggE


I think Korpisalo could be their starter, but Allen could be a back-up in case scenario and could play better behind Columbus defense.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jan 11 @ 9:11 AM ET
Nice to get the 2 points. We still have huge, gaping holes...

Ghost is nowhere near what he was the past 2 seasons. Coots has to be bothered by his knee. Both lost races to loose pucks where they had better/quicker routes to the puck. But still got beaten. Provy is rushing (Russian??) when he gets the puck. Due to lack of confidence. I believe Weise is back to his old self (1st two season with Flyers). I feel like Simmer's limitations are being exposed as well. He can't carry the puck and/or create chances for himself.

Say it with me, Radko Gudas is currently our best defenseman...

Let's stop d1cking around and get a solid top pair guy in here for next season. Get the right mix of forwards and let's get moving in the Carter Hart era!!

Thank the Lord for Carter Hart! I know we were hoping he plays meaningful games with Phantoms down the stretch, but I'd keep him here. Let Lyon and Stolie get time in Lehigh. He is proving that he is NHL ready. Yes, he will be exposed with our group, but that will help the learning process. Once we get a healthy Elliott back let them split time so we don't overuse him in this worthless season.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:12 AM ET
Korpi their guy? Still think Columbus may want more in that case
- dragonoffrost


I don't know... They get a back-up veteran goalie, a very good point producer signed for many years, and a grinding PP presence all for 2 guys they lose in the summer and they still get to compete with those guys.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:21 AM ET
Ok, how about a a classic 3 way deal. To the Flyers Tarasenko, Panarin. To St Louis Bobrovsky, Conditional Columbus first (2020), Conditional Flyers 1st Flyers (2020). To Columbus Allen, Voracek, and Simmonds.
- youarewrong


Too much given up by Columbus for the return.

IMO
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 11 @ 9:29 AM ET
I would make that trade if it included a condtional 3rd on both free agents resigning, moves to a second if simmer signs
- wcorvette

Lmao, a couple thirds? Yea, how about no John. I wouldn't trade Jake for 10 third round picks. Anything outside of an early second has minimal chance of being an impactful NHL player. Thirds do not sweeten the deal.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:34 AM ET
Too much given up by Columbus for the return.

IMO

- jmatchett383


What are Columbus' options? They can either keep these guys try for a playoff run and lose them for nothing in the summer, or they can trade them to someone who wants rentals, but you don't get a lot for rentals and your not getting players that can contribute from someone else that's a buyer. In this deal you get Voracek long term, Allen is signed as a backup for a few years, and they could try and resign Simmonds. Maybe the Flyers send them a conditional 2nd if they dont resign Simmonds.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jan 11 @ 9:37 AM ET
Would Columbus take Jake back for Panarin knowing that they will not be able to sign Panarin and then hope Philly can sign him? Just a thought.
Jake and Wayne Train for Panarin?

- Daceroni



Haha. How does trading Jake and Wayne for Panarin help the Flyers or Columbus?
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:40 AM ET
Nice to get the 2 points. We still have huge, gaping holes...

Ghost is nowhere near what he was the past 2 seasons. Coots has to be bothered by his knee. Both lost races to loose pucks where they had better/quicker routes to the puck. But still got beaten. Provy is rushing (Russian??) when he gets the puck. Due to lack of confidence. I believe Weise is back to his old self (1st two season with Flyers). I feel like Simmer's limitations are being exposed as well. He can't carry the puck and/or create chances for himself.

Say it with me, Radko Gudas is currently our best defenseman...

Let's stop d1cking around and get a solid top pair guy in here for next season. Get the right mix of forwards and let's get moving in the Carter Hart era!!

Thank the Lord for Carter Hart! I know we were hoping he plays meaningful games with Phantoms down the stretch, but I'd keep him here. Let Lyon and Stolie get time in Lehigh. He is proving that he is NHL ready. Yes, he will be exposed with our group, but that will help the learning process. Once we get a healthy Elliott back let them split time so we don't overuse him in this worthless season.

- cdearth23


Ghost looks slow
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 11 @ 9:41 AM ET
Haha. How does trading Jake and Wayne for Panarin help the Flyers or Columbus?
- opeth_pa

It clearly helps the Blue Jackets, you get a comparable player (slightly worse) with a contract rather than having basically an own rental.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 11 @ 9:42 AM ET
I know this horse has been beaten to a pulp. But I have a question for Bill or whom ever. Lebrun wrote an article in the Athletic today about Simmonds and Ferland as power forward rentals...The asking price for Ferland was a 1rst and a prospect and he expected Simmonds if made available to fetch more then that...He listed 4-5 teams that would have interest.... Perhaps we have under estimated his value?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:42 AM ET
What are Columbus' options? They can either keep these guys try for a playoff run and lose them for nothing in the summer, or they can trade them to someone who wants rentals, but you don't get a lot for rentals and your not getting players that can contribute from someone else that's a buyer. In this deal you get Voracek long term, Allen is signed as a backup for a few years, and they could try and resign Simmonds. Maybe the Flyers send them a conditional 2nd if they dont resign Simmonds.
- youarewrong


I don't think they're cool losing a top-3 goal, top-5 winger, and a 1st in exchange for a backup rental, a top-10 scoring winger, and a rental power forward. If you change their first to a second and include a second by Philly, you're probably closer. If think if they move just Bobrovsky, they could probably get a better return that a backup and a rental middle-6 winger without giving up any picks.

Of course, unless the Flyers can talk to Panarin prior to the trade and talk an extension, no reason for them to make the deal.

Also, unless St. Louis feels they're a contender, I doubt they'd want to move Tarasenko for a pick int he 20-30 and an additional first next year.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 11 @ 9:43 AM ET
It clearly helps the Blue Jackets, you get a comparable player (slightly worse) with a contract rather than having basically an own rental.
- ClaudeFather


And you get to watch Torts melt down when Jake does his lazy play.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:44 AM ET
I know this horse has been beaten to a pulp. But I have a question for Bill or whom ever. Lebrun wrote an article in the Athletic today about Simmonds and Ferland as power forward rentals...The asking price for Ferland was a 1rst and a prospect and he expected Simmonds if made available to fetch more then that...He listed 4-5 teams that would have interest.... Perhaps we have under estimated his value?
- landros 2


If Fletcher can get something like an unprotected 1st, a B+ prospect, and a second rounder, I'd be pretty okay with that.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
Its never going to happen but could you imagine next year:

JVR-Giroux-Tarasenko
Panarin-Couturier-Konecny
Farabee-Patrick-Frost
Lindblom-Laughton-ABK

Provorov-Sanheim
Gudas-Ghost
Morin/Hagg-Myers

Hart
????
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