I can't see the Hawks getting both. MAYBE one. If Toronto was smart they'd move Nylander or Kap for a Top 4 D-Man and then in the offseason shop Kadri to a team looking for a 2nd line Center for a young controllable D-Man with Top 4 potential. They have tons of forward depth up front, but the backend looks to be weak going forward especially if Gardiner (say what you will he's still a good D-Man) leaves in FA.

If they did want to get both, I would maybe trade Keith with Forsling for Kap and Kadri or something like that to entice them more, but I just can't see them basically trading their 3rd line for Keith and losing that depth. If anything, I'd go for Kap in FA and throw an Offer sheet at him in the range where it would cost a 2nd Rd pick.
- Savetheembers33

I hear what your saying. I'm just mentioning that all the chatter coming out of Toronto is kap and kadri are moveable players, and the speculation is Keith possibly going to Toronto. From a cap perspective kadri is 4 or 4.5 million and kap is 973. So if Chicago tossed in a high prospect I still think it's a possibility.

You're just flat wrong. Keith has value. Look at his cap hit compared to other Dmen with the same hit.

He still is a better skater than 95% of Dmen in the league. If you don't think Keith can slide in as a #2/3 d-men on a serious contender you are wrong.

Is he going to get you multiple picks and high end prospects? No. Can he bring back a first and mid level prospect? Definitely.
- bhawks2241

You're assessment of Keith is delusional, he can't defend he can't make a pass, he gets blow by constantly now. He adds nothing to the offense. His cap hit and term actually hurt his value because of his declining play. If he was gonna be a UFA next year it wouldn't hurt so bad in a trade. Tell me the last declining 35 years old dman with that size cap hit with that many years on it left was traded for? I'll wait while you look it up. SO actually you're the one that is flat wrong.

I hope you're right but sorry I don't agree.
I can't see anything more than a middle round pick or a low level prospect. Anyway, it's the cap savings that's the important thing.
Same with Kruger and even less in return....IF anything at all. Terrible use of the cap for this year.

It's all about the future now....getting younger and faster. Movement of any kind on the vets is a plus for $$$$$.

The only players that should bring a decent return are Keith and Saad.
I'd be in favor of both.
- Hawkytalk

I agree completely with your point. Anismov isn't worth holding onto , if you look at his time here he has had lots of injuries not sure what some people are missing.


Saad and Keith carry the most value in terms of any return.

I'm just curious , but I thought I read somewhere Chicago was pondering the idea of sliding boyquist into a winger role?

You're assessment of Keith is delusional, he can't defend he can't make a pass, he gets blow by constantly now. He adds nothing to the offense. His cap hit and term actually hurt his value because of his declining play. If he was gonna be a UFA next year it wouldn't hurt so bad in a trade. Tell me the last declining 35 years old dman with that size cap hit with that many years on it left was traded for? I'll wait while you look it up. SO actually you're the one that is flat wrong.
- GPHawksfan

From what I have seen from Keith the last two years, it is time to trade him. This team is rebuilding. He has trade value. Time to move on.

I hear what your saying. I'm just mentioning that all the chatter coming out of Toronto is kap and kadri are moveable players, and the speculation is Keith possibly going to Toronto. From a cap perspective kadri is 4 or 4.5 million and kap is 973. So if Chicago tossed in a high prospect I still think it's a possibility.
- Taylorst1

Isn't any chatter about Keith to Toronto anywhere except on this site. It's from the guys that want to believe that Keith can fetch a good young player and a high draft pick from Toronto there just isn't fit there they don't need Duncan Keith he's not any good anymore

From what I have seen from Keith the last two years, it is time to trade him. This team is rebuilding. He has trade value. Time to move on.
- z1990z

I didn't say don't trade Keith, I said most posters perceived value of him is delusional he isn't worth what everyone is pining for on this board

You're assessment of Keith is delusional, he can't defend he can't make a pass, he gets blow by constantly now. He adds nothing to the offense. His cap hit and term actually hurt his value because of his declining play. If he was gonna be a UFA next year it wouldn't hurt so bad in a trade. Tell me the last declining 35 years old dman with that size cap hit with that many years on it left was traded for? I'll wait while you look it up. SO actually you're the one that is flat wrong.
- GPHawksfan

I'm not trying to argue with your point because your right . People including myself mention Keith as value because he can still play and a team that is a contender would see his value with his experience, his play and his cap hit is reasonable and he would give them at least 2 years of solid play.

What his return would be remains to be seen.

But your point is well laid out.

Practice has begun ... without Sergei Bobrovsky.

#CBJ⁠ ⁠

Update:

And now J-F Berube has conceded his practice net to Sergei Bobrovsky and skated off the ice. #CBJ⁠ ⁠

Alright.....you are sensible so you can take Bowman's job.
Seriously, we should not even consider Bob. Some team will give up something fairly reasonable. Or maybe he comes on the cheap if Columbus just wants to move him & be done with Bob. Which is terrible asset management. If you trade for him, is he a rental or do you want to keep him around long term - that is the development to watch.

As for Chicago......really?.....we have way too many issues and a lot of that is tied to players we suspect are not good enough or going to become good enough to warrant even consideration for the expansion protected list. Then you have a nice player like Strome whom would be much more to like If he could skate.

You also have to wonder what obligation IF any to protect
Toewes come expansion draft. He is already practically a secondary player. Too soft and fragile to count upon as a #2 center once the team improves. Too much money for ot whaf je once was.

You have issues like this and you do not want to toss Bob into this.....

For the record I don't like him as our #1 and it is silly to trade for him just so you can trade him. Yet Dellia has a ways to go to prove he is your new #1. The winning goal last game as someone said he left a target.... too much space to shoot at. Still though you do not dismiss Delia.

Some players you do not expect will make it as regulars, Such as Edjsell

But Gus could be a real nice depth for a guy who gets sheltered minutes. He makes nice plays but often is hurting you on the defensive side. With offensive dman prospects not too far away from NHL, Gus bides his time untouched unscathed maybe for a while longer.
- jhawk59

"soft and fragile???"....Honestly, we must be watching different games, he's been neither of those two things this year, not even close.

Isn't any chatter about Keith to Toronto anywhere except on this site. It's from the guys that want to believe that Keith can fetch a good young player and a high draft pick from Toronto there just isn't fit there they don't need Duncan Keith he's not any good anymore
- GPHawksfan

FWIW, here's a link to the Hockey Buzz Toronto blogger. The 2nd half of his article is his take as to what the Leafs would have to give up for Chris Tanev or Alex Pietroangelo. No mention of Keith.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...Leafs-vs-Devils/120/97069

Shaw has been just fine in Montreal. Injury prone, but this season especially he has been up and down the lineup providing versatility, grit and production. He's having the best season of his career right now.
- Hawks_49

Honestly haven't paid much attention to him up there. Good to hear. He is only 27. Injuries are concerning but they happen. Toews had a string of them for a while but now seems to be fine.

Shaw at a lower price I have no problem with especially if he is playing well for Montreal.

Making the case for the Keith for Kapanen proposal from both sides.

Toronto's interest in acquiring Keith before the TDL is it would be a net plus in gaining him and losing Kapanen (it wouldn't be a net plus to lose both Kapanen and Kadri). The Leafs have enough scoring on the Wings to replace Kapanen's scoring (14 goals through 40 games). They have enough cap space this season but can't afford Keith's $5.5M for the next 4 seasons because they need to re-sign Matthews, Marner and others - one of which is Kapanen. From a Cap perspective, if the Hawks retain $2M of Keith's cap hit, the Leafs would be on the hook for $3.5M, which is a good deal for Keith, plus the $3.5M would be less than what they would need to pay to keep Kapanen which would be in the $4M range. So essentially they get Keith for Kapanen and save a little in cap space.

The Hawks interest in making the trade is to acquire a top-6 winger who has decent size, skates very well, can score goals and is only 22 and would be under contract control for the next few years. If he gets $4M on a 3-4 year bridge deal, he would essentially be a $6M cap hit because Keith's retained $2M would be due to acquiring him. The hope would be that by the end of his 3-4 deal he would be scoring like a legitimate $6M player and that hope isn't far fetched. Losing Keith would hurt the current team defense but would open up a spot for a prospect to get ice time while also signaling others on the team this is in fact a rebuild (are you paying attention Anisimov and Seabrook) AND would help contribute to less points in the standings which would help draft position.

Reality is that the Hawks can't afford Panarin or Stone or Skinner or the other top free agent forwards without a salary cap restructure - simply offloading Anisimov isn't going to open up enough cap space to sign one of those guys. Kapanen would be an affordable option to fill the top-6 winger role the Hawks need to add along with a high draft pick going into the 2019/20 season.

You're assessment of Keith is delusional, he can't defend he can't make a pass, he gets blow by constantly now. He adds nothing to the offense. His cap hit and term actually hurt his value because of his declining play. If he was gonna be a UFA next year it wouldn't hurt so bad in a trade. Tell me the last declining 35 years old dman with that size cap hit with that many years on it left was traded for? I'll wait while you look it up. SO actually you're the one that is flat wrong.
- GPHawksfan

Hardly. He isn't prime DK anymore but what you are saying simple isn't true. Do you have him confused with Seabrook?

Heard Keith isn't practicing because he's sick as well. Nasty flu bug out there right now. I'm just getting over it as well. Wonder if he and Seabrook can't go who'd get the call up for a game or two

At the high end i think you can get two firsts for Keith. Middle maybe a first and a middle six guy.

Too many years left on term and well past his prime to command more than that.

Glad to see this finally derailed to Hawk Harrelson TWTW players. Andrew Shaw doesn't do anything to help this team other than stunt the development or opportunity for Kampf, Johnson and Barrett. It's a two year project folks. Andrew Shaw does not fit with this group.

At the high end i think you can get two firsts for Keith. Middle maybe a first and a middle six guy.

Too many years left on term and well past his prime to command more than that.

Glad to see this finally derailed to Hawk Harrelson TWTW players. Andrew Shaw doesn't do anything to help this team other than stunt the development or opportunity for Kampf, Johnson and Barrett. It's a two year project folks. Andrew Shaw does not fit with this group.
- fattybeef

If DK does go, we need a 1st and a legit prospect. Regarding Shaw? Not wanting him back, but we need a Shaw like player on this team. Energy/emotional fire ball.

Heard Keith isn't practicing because he's sick as well. Nasty flu bug out there right now. I'm just getting over it as well. Wonder if he and Seabrook can't go who'd get the call up for a game or two
- Savetheembers33

Apparently Kunitz!!!

Blackhawks in practice today:

DeBrincat-Toews-Kahun
Anisimov-Strome-Kane
Saad-Kampf-Caggiula
Perlini-Kruger-Hayden

??? (Keith sick today)-Gustafsson
Davidson-Seabrook
Dahlstrom-Murphy
Jokiharju-Kunitz (!)

I'd expect that he'll get at least a two year deal at 1M per if he plays decently the rest of the season. He could get a bit more than that if he continues to develop his game and plays better
- Savetheembers33

My thought exactly 2 yr 1.2M max.

Shaw is still a useful player, but not as effective as he was because he doesn't agitate and draw as many penalties. The problem with him coming back will always be around salary.

The Hawks need to move Anisimov. He is not a good 3C. That experiment has failed multiple times since he has been in Chicago. If you want a 3rd line to struggle offensively and get dominated for possession, put AA on it. He scores some points when he gets to play with 1 or 2 of the top wingers in the league (Kane or Panarin) but not enough to justify keeping him. With Strome as the clear 2C behind Toews, there is no reason not to move Anisimov.

Alright.....you are sensible so you can take Bowman's job.
....

You also have to wonder what obligation IF any to protect
Toewes come expansion draft. He is already practically a secondary player. Too soft and fragile to count upon as a #2 center once the team improves. Too much money for ot whaf je once was.

You have issues like this and you do not want to toss Bob into this.....

For the record I don't like him as our #1 and it is silly to trade for him just so you can trade him. Yet Dellia has a ways to go to prove he is your new #1. The winning goal last game as someone said he left a target.... too much space to shoot at. Still though you do not dismiss Delia.

Some players you do not expect will make it as regulars, Such as Edjsell

But Gus could be a real nice depth for a guy who gets sheltered minutes. He makes nice plays but often is hurting you on the defensive side. With offensive dman prospects not too far away from NHL, Gus bides his time untouched unscathed maybe for a while longer.
- jhawk59

Well if the expansion rules for Seattle are the same as they were for Vegas (I've read they will be) then, the obligation is the Hawks will need to protect Toews and anyone else with a NMC or NTC. A team can ask a player to waive or the player could volunteer to waive otherwise player's with those clauses must be on the protected list.

Hilarious read this AM. Toews and Murphy quoted.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ts-jeans-mix?platform=amp
- resqmed99

What thighs is it?

Shaw is still a useful player, but not as effective as he was because he doesn't agitate and draw as many penalties. The problem with him coming back will always be around salary.
- breadbag

That seems to be a trend in the NHL. Guys exceed the value of their ELCs but then get a contract that is a bit over priced for what they bring. Can't overpay too many guys, and the Blackhawks have a couple/few on the roster who are overpaid (7, 16, 19, maybe 15, possibly 88 but not by much.)

Heard Keith isn't practicing because he's sick as well. Nasty flu bug out there right now. I'm just getting over it as well. Wonder if he and Seabrook can't go who'd get the call up for a game or two
- Savetheembers33

This is where cups of coffee for Carlsson or Hillman might be in the cards to see what either have to offer and what they need to improve once they get sent down again.

There's Raddysh but I'd rather not; he's not strong in his own end and the Hawks already have an offensively gifted yet defensively deficient D-man in Gustafsson. At least Carlsson and Hillman are more so in the defensive defensemen mold.

Making the case for the Keith for Kapanen proposal from both sides.

Toronto's interest in acquiring Keith before the TDL is it would be a net plus in gaining him and losing Kapanen (it wouldn't be a net plus to lose both Kapanen and Kadri). The Leafs have enough scoring on the Wings to replace Kapanen's scoring (14 goals through 40 games). They have enough cap space this season but can't afford Keith's $5.5M for the next 4 seasons because they need to re-sign Matthews, Marner and others - one of which is Kapanen. From a Cap perspective, if the Hawks retain $2M of Keith's cap hit, the Leafs would be on the hook for $3.5M, which is a good deal for Keith, plus the $3.5M would be less than what they would need to pay to keep Kapanen which would be in the $4M range. So essentially they get Keith for Kapanen and save a little in cap space.

The Hawks interest in making the trade is to acquire a top-6 winger who has decent size, skates very well, can score goals and is only 22 and would be under contract control for the next few years. If he gets $4M on a 3-4 year bridge deal, he would essentially be a $6M cap hit because Keith's retained $2M would be due to acquiring him. The hope would be that by the end of his 3-4 deal he would be scoring like a legitimate $6M player and that hope isn't far fetched. Losing Keith would hurt the current team defense but would open up a spot for a prospect to get ice time while also signaling others on the team this is in fact a rebuild (are you paying attention Anisimov and Seabrook) AND would help contribute to less points in the standings which would help draft position.

Reality is that the Hawks can't afford Panarin or Stone or Skinner or the other top free agent forwards without a salary cap restructure - simply offloading Anisimov isn't going to open up enough cap space to sign one of those guys. Kapanen would be an affordable option to fill the top-6 winger role the Hawks need to add along with a high draft pick going into the 2019/20 season.
- EbonyRaptor

Very well explained and very realistic and honest.

Your absolutely correct Chicago's only path for a top 6 potential is by moving Keith for a cheap promising young player who doesn't break the bank.


As far as free agency Stan was blowing smoke up people's behinds as a mere PR stunt when this team was losing game after game.


Reality Seabrook , anisomov would need to be traded just to free up their monies to use towards a panarin, Skinner, stone etc. The 13 million that Chicago will have barely covers the normal signings with no serious free agency splashes.


Crawford is another ? For next season because if he plays that's great he can be a back up to Delia to limit his concussions and should Chicago make the playoffs they have him.


If he is either done or still on concussion protocol his cap hit can't be used and it makes Chicago's plan tricky just like having hossa.