If Keith is moved and I have a strong feeling he might Toronto did say they want someone with term and 2 players they would move would be kap and Kardizi.

That is a possibility both come.
- Taylorst1

Is that the Snoop Dogg pronunciation? Haha, jk.

I agree with Paul, hawks should be getting younger. I know you think he would be good on a lower line, but we should look more at long term fixes.

Interesting and random tidbit I stumbled across this morning while scrolling through stats:

David Kampf, Artem Anisimov and Jonathan Toews are tied for 10th in the NHL in takeaway differential at +18 each.
- Hawks_49

I think a lot of people on here don't realize how good AA is. The intangibles he brings don't show up on the stat sheets. I know he is slow and doesn't score too often but the buck stops there. Great defender, uses his body well, will hit the dirty areas, post up near the crease, high hockey IQ, an the list goes on. I think he'll fetch a decent return many aren't expecting.

I want the hawks to get younger with more bite and skill. Kadri does help down the middle he has a cap hit reasonable for the next 4 years is younger than anismov by 3 years.

I believe if a deal happened kap, would be the main piece kadri would be a cap dump to Chicago.

I just have a feeling anismov and saad won't be in chicago next year.

I think a lot of people on here don't realize how good AA is. The intangibles he brings don't show up on the stat sheets. I know he is slow and doesn't score too often but the buck stops there. Great defender, uses his body well, will hit the dirty areas, post up near the crease, high hockey IQ, an the list goes on. I think he'll fetch a decent return many aren't expecting.
- Assman22

I wouldn't be surprised especially if it's at the deadline, but even after. My guess is there are GM's around the league who don't find him as useless or overpaid as some do here. So far at least three GM's have either signed or traded for Manning and two of them weren't Stan...so there's that.

Is that the Snoop Dogg pronunciation? Haha, jk.

I agree with Paul, hawks should be getting younger. I know you think he would be good on a lower line, but we should look more at long term fixes.
- I Am The Breadman

Kadri could be part of the return but the Hawks would/could look to then flip him elsewhere either to another team at the TDL or in the offseason. Grundstrom would also be a player of interest from TOR.

I want the hawks to get younger with more bite and skill. Kadri does help down the middle he has a cap hit reasonable for the next 4 years is younger than anismov by 3 years.

I believe if a deal happened kap, would be the main piece kadri would be a cap dump to Chicago.

I just have a feeling anismov and saad won't be in chicago next year.
- Taylorst1

Can't see them trading 2 rostered players in a TDL deal with only one coming back. Would imagine they will likely look to address Cap issues in the offseason win or lose.

I wouldn't be surprised especially if it's at the deadline, but even after. My guess is there are GM's around the league who don't find him as useless or overpaid as some do here. So far at least three GM's have either signed or traded for Manning and two of them weren't Stan...so there's that.
- HawkintheD

Like a lot of others, I think he's an off-season trade. I think he will bring a lot more than Cbj's stupid offer last tdl.

I think a lot of people on here don't realize how good AA is. The intangibles he brings don't show up on the stat sheets. I know he is slow and doesn't score too often but the buck stops there. Great defender, uses his body well, will hit the dirty areas, post up near the crease, high hockey IQ, an the list goes on. I think he'll fetch a decent return many aren't expecting.
- Assman22

Those are some important things to a players game that are great.

But anisomov is 31 years old , not producing any real consistent results ,very slow and injury prone.

If Chicago can't find someone younger , cheaper , more skill and speed to compliment this team and improve its overall game I find that hard to believe.

Kampf is probably a better answer to anisomov. Speed , skill , solid defense, bite to his game and his cap hit is 3.5 million cheaper. Just saying .

Kadri could be part of the return but the Hawks would/could look to then flip him elsewhere either to another team at the TDL or in the offseason. Grundstrom would also be a player of interest from TOR.
- Assman22

He could be, I just don't see it happening. I'll eat my words if wrong.

I don't follow the Ahl, especially other teams, how is Grundstrom?

Can't see them trading 2 rostered players in a TDL deal with only one coming back. Would imagine they will likely look to address Cap issues in the offseason win or lose.
- HawkintheD

It's been out their that Toronto is going to have cap issues next year and in their ability to make a run they said they want a player with term and guys who would likely be traded are kap and kadri. So I'm just saying if Keith who's name has been mentioned a lot should he go to Toronto I could see those 2 guys as a possible return.

Like a lot of others, I think he's an off-season trade. I think he will bring a lot more than Cbj's stupid offer last tdl.
- I Am The Breadman

I looked up CBJ as a trade partner for AA given the history but they really have nothing we'd want that they'd realistically be willing to give up. Will be interesting to see where AA lands and what comes back.

Sometimes standing pat isn't always bad, just throwing that out there. We aren't in that situation, but trying to rush back into contention by trading players that we don't exactly know their talent level is really bad. The Big Bob trade proposal, I'm just participating in it because it's a discussion board, and I won't say stop coming up with them, but he's a no, especially since the cost is greater than Arty. We should flip older guys or expiring guys for picks and younger/serviceable players for the future. This season I'll classify as close, but no cigar. I'm not sure why we would get Big Bob, and flip him for better than what we paid when most guys here mercilessly bash Stan for being inept?
- I Am The Breadman

Alright.....you are sensible so you can take Bowman's job.
Seriously, we should not even consider Bob. Some team will give up something fairly reasonable. Or maybe he comes on the cheap if Columbus just wants to move him & be done with Bob. Which is terrible asset management. If you trade for him, is he a rental or do you want to keep him around long term - that is the development to watch.

As for Chicago......really?.....we have way too many issues and a lot of that is tied to players we suspect are not good enough or going to become good enough to warrant even consideration for the expansion protected list. Then you have a nice player like Strome whom would be much more to like If he could skate.

You also have to wonder what obligation IF any to protect
Toewes come expansion draft. He is already practically a secondary player. Too soft and fragile to count upon as a #2 center once the team improves. Too much money for ot whaf je once was.

You have issues like this and you do not want to toss Bob into this.....

For the record I don't like him as our #1 and it is silly to trade for him just so you can trade him. Yet Dellia has a ways to go to prove he is your new #1. The winning goal last game as someone said he left a target.... too much space to shoot at. Still though you do not dismiss Delia.

Some players you do not expect will make it as regulars, Such as Edjsell

But Gus could be a real nice depth for a guy who gets sheltered minutes. He makes nice plays but often is hurting you on the defensive side. With offensive dman prospects not too far away from NHL, Gus bides his time untouched unscathed maybe for a while longer.

He could be, I just don't see it happening. I'll eat my words if wrong.

I don't follow the Ahl, especially other teams, how is Grundstrom?
- I Am The Breadman

Solid two way forward that's adapting well to the A. Bit of a coming out party this year so he could be a nice find. Built like Saad and plays LW.

If possible, I'd like to see Kapanen, Kadri, and Grundstrom for Keith and Hayden. Then flip Kadri elsewhere shortly thereafter. TOR also has a boatload of picks next year.

I looked up CBJ as a trade partner for AA given the history but they really have nothing we'd want that they'd realistically be willing to give up. Will be interesting to see where AA lands and what comes back.
- Assman22

They were my first guess too. DK suggested Ott. It will be interesting. You got teams screwed by cap, and then you got others rebuilding. I just know that Torts likes him a lot. I think he said he's the best player he ever coached.

Alright.....you are sensible so you can take Bowman's job.
Seriously, we should not even consider Bob. Some team will give up something fairly reasonable. Or maybe he comes on the cheap if Columbus just wants to move him & be done with Bob. Which is terrible asset management. If you trade for him, is he a rental or do you want to keep him around long term - that is the development to watch.

As for Chicago......really?.....we have way too many issues and a lot of that is tied to players we suspect are not good enough or going to become good enough to warrant even consideration for the expansion protected list. Then you have a nice player like Strome whom would be much more to like If he could skate.

You also have to wonder what obligation IF any to protect
Toewes come expansion draft. He is already practically a secondary player. Too soft and fragile to count upon as a #2 center once the team improves. Too much money for ot whaf je once was.

You have issues like this and you do not want to toss Bob into this.....

For the record I don't like him as our #1 and it is silly to trade for him just so you can trade him. Yet Dellia has a ways to go to prove he is your new #1. The winning goal last game as someone said he left a target.... too much space to shoot at. Still though you do not dismiss Delia.

Some players you do not expect will make it as regulars, Such as Edjsell

But Gus could be a real nice depth for a guy who gets sheltered minutes. He makes nice plays but often is hurting you on the defensive side. With offensive dman prospects not too far away from NHL, Gus bides his time untouched unscathed maybe for a while longer.
- jhawk59

I like your breakdown, J. I don't want Bowman's job, hahaha! I'd make a lot of his mistakes, but it just seems we should look at the future.

I can get over Strome's skating ability or lack of. The guy finds the net as well as helps others find the net, goes to the right areas, and hits. He and Gus have helped the pp a lot.

Toews during the expansion .... hmmm? I'm not sure. I think he's having a great season, especially when compared to the last 2.

I think a lot of people on here don't realize how good AA is. The intangibles he brings don't show up on the stat sheets. I know he is slow and doesn't score too often but the buck stops there. Great defender, uses his body well, will hit the dirty areas, post up near the crease, high hockey IQ, an the list goes on. I think he'll fetch a decent return many aren't expecting.
- Assman22

I have been a fan but moving him make sense this summer for no other reason then the performance we do see will start to decline soon. He turns 31 in a few months and does not impress me as an iron man type of player long term. Just my $0.02

Solid two way forward that's adapting well to the A. Bit of a coming out party this year so he could be a nice find. Built like Saad and plays LW.

If possible, I'd like to see Kapanen, Kadri, and Grundstrom for Keith and Hayden. Then flip Kadri elsewhere shortly thereafter. TOR also has a boatload of picks next year.
- Assman22

Thanks for the breakdown. Anyone who plays like Saad, old Saad, I would say is good.

I've never been on board for getting someone just to flip him.

Solid two way forward that's adapting well to the A. Bit of a coming out party this year so he could be a nice find. Built like Saad and plays LW.

If possible, I'd like to see Kapanen, Kadri, and Grundstrom for Keith and Hayden. Then flip Kadri elsewhere shortly thereafter. TOR also has a boatload of picks next year.
- Assman22

Even if you couldn't flip kadri, he still would solidify your 3rd or 4th line center has term and is younger.

Theirs been chatter Chicago is interested in Dzingel that to me is a summertime signing. But if Chicago moves Keith to Toronto IMO I see kap and kadri as a return and Chicago gets a young top 6 to resign whom candidate with either toews or strome.

Kadri solidifies your center depth with some skill.

Ansimov and saad I believe get moved maybe for prospects and picks.

I have been a fan but moving him make sense this summer for no other reason then the performance we do see will start to decline soon. He turns 31 in a few months and does not impress me as an iron man type of player long term. Just my $0.02
- riozzo

Bingo , well explained. Anismov I believe won't be on this team next year. I think his return is more prospects and cap space opening up to get a top 6 forward signed while rebuilding Rockford.

Can't see them trading 2 rostered players in a TDL deal with only one coming back. Would imagine they will likely look to address Cap issues in the offseason win or lose.
- HawkintheD

Does anyone know or have a idea what kap is looking for or is in the salary range? Would 6 or 7 million be about what he signs for ?

Those are some important things to a players game that are great.

But anisomov is 31 years old , not producing any real consistent results ,very slow and injury prone.

If Chicago can't find someone younger , cheaper , more skill and speed to compliment this team and improve its overall game I find that hard to believe.

Kampf is probably a better answer to anisomov. Speed , skill , solid defense, bite to his game and his cap hit is 3.5 million cheaper. Just saying .
- Taylorst1

The main difference between the two is that Anisimov consistently puts up points and Kampf has yet to prove he can.

I never thought I’d say This, and I know some of you guys don’t believe “get the band back together” if Marc Bergevin is putting Andrew Shaw in play , I hope Stan makes at least a phone call to find out what he is looking for in return . I did not realize it the kid is only 27 years old. There is one I would like to make which is sorely missed on this team right now.
I understand he has an injury history.

The main difference between the two is that Anisimov consistently puts up points and Kampf has yet to prove he can.
- Chunk

Kampf is in his rookie season, I understand your point. But anismov is 31 years old injury prone and not consistent enough for the expectations.

I never thought I’d say This, and I know some of you guys don’t believe “get the band back together” if Marc Bergevin is putting Andrew Shaw in play , I hope Stan makes at least a phone call to find out what he is looking for in return . I did not realize it the kid is only 27 years old. There is one I would like to make which is sorely missed on this team right now.
I understand he has an injury history.
- wonthecup10

I like Shaw as a 3C and only 3C. Big difference between he and AA. AA doesn't have that winner/killer mentality that Shaw does. Shaw brings energy which is big for JC and a 3rd line of Shaw/Caggiula/Kahun could be pretty pesky to play against. With that being said, I doubt they bring him back after the overly-publicized gay slur incident during a game.

Does anyone know or have a idea what kap is looking for or is in the salary range? Would 6 or 7 million be about what he signs for ?
- Taylorst1

More like $4-5 mil per max. If Wennberg got $4.9 per (such a steal for CBJ) as an elite young center, I can't see Kap getting much more than $4 mil per tbh