19 was looking to get off the ice before the goal. He almost had the opportunity but decided not to take the risk. Probably a good choice. Give the guy a break, he played a strong game.
- TJYTJY

over 20 minutes of TOI. He and Kane have been getting a lot of ice time under JC. I suppose they will have a long off season to recover.

19 was looking to get off the ice before the goal. He almost had the opportunity but decided not to take the risk. Probably a good choice. Give the guy a break, he played a strong game.
- TJYTJY

Yeah, give the guy a break, he only made $128,000 that game.

I like those Winter Classic uni’s, pretty sweet.

Yeah, give the guy a break, he only made $128,000 that game.
- Dieselhead

And was directly responsible for the loss. Agreed with Simple Jack, SUCKO FOR KAKKO

And was directly responsible for the loss. Agreed with Simple Jack, SUCKO FOR KAKKO
- EnzoD

Can’t criticize Toews! Otherwise you’ve got to criticize Kane more for floating.

Even though Kane is a winger who is supposed to play up high and try to stretch the ice for offensive transition.

Toews is suppsed to be a 2 way elite center. Aka he isn’t supposed to play high in the zone all the time.

Bottom line Toews got beat. Yeah Forsberg is really good. But facts are facts. Toews got beat and it cost the Hawks a point. Not that the extra point really matters.

Gus reminds me of the kid on the peewee team that is head and shoulders better than everyone else, so his coach just let's him go anywhere on the ice. He just wanders all over the place the whole game. He has no structure. He's out of place in all zones. Yes he has offensive skill, but he should get 3rd pairing and PP1 minutes only.

Delia's worst game of the year. His positioning and rebound control were both bad. He made some great saves, but overall wasn't that good.

Delia's worst game of the year. His positioning and rebound control were both bad. He made some great saves, but overall wasn't that good.
- tvetter

His glove wasn't too hot either.

He is still peppered with too many shots on a nightly basis.

His glove wasn't too hot either.

He is still peppered with too many shots on a nightly basis.
- I Am The Breadman

No doubt

I would trade Gus while his value is high, as well and let Forsling take that spot for the time being.

I'm not sold on Forsling being a top 4 defenseman of the future based on his play this season. I really expected more out of him. I'd say he settles in maybe as a #5-6 with sheltered shifts.

The trade Gus move really to me would be a wise one. I love him on offense, but let's be real, at his age I don't see a ton of arc of improvement coming on the defensive side, in which he's just not good. He's a cowboy...and he reminds me in some ways of another guy we had similar in Cam Barker. Barker actually had one really good offensive season for the Hawks before they traded him and they got Nick Leddy out of the deal which was pretty good. Now Gus doesn't have the draft pedigree Barker did, but maybe you can go fishing for a decent level prospect in return similar to what Leddy was.

I'm not sold on Forsling being a top 4 defenseman of the future based on his play this season. I really expected more out of him. I'd say he settles in maybe as a #5-6 with sheltered shifts.

The trade Gus move really to me would be a wise one. I love him on offense, but let's be real, at his age I don't see a ton of arc of improvement coming on the defensive side, in which he's just not good. He's a cowboy...and he reminds me in some ways of another guy we had similar in Cam Barker. Barker actually had one really good offensive season for the Hawks before they traded him and they got Nick Leddy out of the deal which was pretty good. Now Gus doesn't have the draft pedigree Barker did, but maybe you can go fishing for a decent level prospect in return similar to what Leddy was.
- Budi1782

Cam Barker or even Jeffrey Hamilton for those who remember him (stocky red head kid, wore #51). Hamilton was strictly a PP specialist, bad in his own end, and I believe actually was tried out at wing. Played only one season with the Hawks and scored 18 goals that year. Hamilton and Colliton were actually teammates, too, with the Isles.

Man, Gustafsson was terrible in he's own zone in 1 and 2 period tonight.
Delia were not that good with rebound control tonight either.

I'm not sold on Forsling being a top 4 defenseman of the future based on his play this season. I really expected more out of him. I'd say he settles in maybe as a #5-6 with sheltered shifts.

The trade Gus move really to me would be a wise one. I love him on offense, but let's be real, at his age I don't see a ton of arc of improvement coming on the defensive side, in which he's just not good. He's a cowboy...and he reminds me in some ways of another guy we had similar in Cam Barker. Barker actually had one really good offensive season for the Hawks before they traded him and they got Nick Leddy out of the deal which was pretty good. Now Gus doesn't have the draft pedigree Barker did, but maybe you can go fishing for a decent level prospect in return similar to what Leddy was.
- Budi1782

Kind of like Mehmet on Howard Stern's show. I'd say at Gus's age and Cap hit he likely brings back a better prospect than Leddy did and a high pick with it. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least if they were to deal him it's be from a position of strength, vs when Leddy was dealt.

Kind of like Mehmet on Howard Stern's show. I'd say at Gus's age and Cap hit he likely brings back a better prospect than Leddy did and a high pick with it. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least if they were to deal him it's be from a position of strength, vs when Leddy was dealt.
- HawkintheD

If there’s a market for a skater, there’s a market - and it’s up to the GM to take advantage of it - no matter how weak the team’s position seems to be.

The problem with too many of Stan’s cap imposed deals is that he waited until whatever market existed disappeared to pull the trigger.

Leddy probably should have brought back more than Pokka and a little cap relief. Sharp should have brought back more than Dailey and very little cap relief. There would have been a market for both - a competition between teams for them - earlier in those off seasons - before teams solved their problems by other means.

I have no idea what a 28 year oldresumed defenseman with good offensive skills and PP quarterbacking skills would bring - his defensive limitations would be well known to all. He’s not Bobby Orr offensively, he’s bad in his own zone, at his age he should have improved by now.

If there’s a market for a skater, there’s a market - and it’s up to the GM to take advantage of it - no matter how weak the team’s position seems to be.

The problem with too many of Stan’s cap imposed deals is that he waited until whatever market existed disappeared to pull the trigger.

Leddy probably should have brought back more than Pokka and a little cap relief. Sharp should have brought back more than Dailey and very little cap relief. There would have been a market for both - a competition between teams for them - earlier in those off seasons - before teams solved their problems by other means.

I have no idea what a 28 year oldresumed defenseman with good offensive skills and PP quarterbacking skills would bring - his defensive limitations would be well known to all. He’s not Bobby Orr offensively, he’s bad in his own zone, at his age he should have improved by now.
- StLBravesFan

What did OTT get from SJ for Erik Karlsson?

What did OTT get from SJ for Erik Karlsson?
- powerenforcer

Glorious cap space.

Watched the game last and a few things stood out as clear as day light.

Not having Seabrook in the lineup doesn't hurt this team and also having Keith in the lineup doesn't make the defenseman any better.

Nashville was all over Chicago's defense that kind of tells you that they need some work.


Delia IMO will be fine, he just needs more games and some techniques to adjust.



Remember when Crawford came in to the league he had his issues especially his glove side.



Kampf drake Perlini is a solid line with energy .

Not to much in reading into Mackenzie report on Chicago but I think if Stan isn't a seller of at least Seabrook , Keith, anismov at the trade deadline then not much buying will take place in the off season. Just my opinion based on Stans history.

TOI vs. Nashville last night

Keith 26:08
Gustafsson 24:04
Dahlstrom 18:05
Murphy 17:45
Jokiharju 16:45
Davidson 15:31

Jokiharju has to be on the ice more than that. Gustafsson can't play that much, unless there's lots of PP time. Plus, Gus makes Keith worse.

Flip Gus & Joki's TOI, and I'm happy.

couldn't agree more. He was beat on a play, it happens. He has played very well this season, which all Hawks fans were begging for. I cannot wait until the Hawks have the horses in the stable again to compete. I have been pleasantly surprised and impressed with the compete level overall more recently. No matter where they finish this year, their youngsters will get better from these experiences. I am much more excited about their future today than I was six weeks ago.
- frafra

Plus, Nashville was able to change all 3 while they had the puck, so the Hawk's 3 were playing tired versus all the Preds having fresh legs at the beginning of their shift.

What did OTT get from SJ for Erik Karlsson?
- powerenforcer

Demelo, Tierney, Balcers, and Norris. A conditional 2nd this draft, a conditional 1st next draft, and a conditional 2nd the draft after that. With how much he's going to command on the open market, Paul is also correct with his response.

TOI vs. Nashville last night

Keith 26:08
Gustafsson 24:04
Dahlstrom 18:05
Murphy 17:45
Jokiharju 16:45
Davidson 15:31

Jokiharju has to be on the ice more than that. Gustafsson can't play that much, unless there's lots of PP time. Plus, Gus makes Keith worse.

Flip Gus & Joki's TOI, and I'm happy.
- scottak

You are correct about Jokiharju although 24 minutes might be a bit too much as 26 is too much for Keith. Only 2 d-men eclipsing 20 minutes is t the way to go. I’d like to see a more even spread of ice time. Murphy and Dahlstrom should play 20 minutes each for sure.

If there’s a market for a skater, there’s a market - and it’s up to the GM to take advantage of it - no matter how weak the team’s position seems to be.

The problem with too many of Stan’s cap imposed deals is that he waited until whatever market existed disappeared to pull the trigger.

Leddy probably should have brought back more than Pokka and a little cap relief. Sharp should have brought back more than Dailey and very little cap relief. There would have been a market for both - a competition between teams for them - earlier in those off seasons - before teams solved their problems by other means.

I have no idea what a 28 year oldresumed defenseman with good offensive skills and PP quarterbacking skills would bring - his defensive limitations would be well known to all. He’s not Bobby Orr offensively, he’s bad in his own zone, at his age he should have improved by now.
- StLBravesFan

Lets not be so quick to label a player or assume they can't change. Kempny was run out of town because of his supposed defensive liabilities. While admittedly not great in his own end and getting protected minutes, Kempny is one of the league leaders in +/- as a +25.

Yeah, give the guy a break, he only made $128,000 that game.
- Dieselhead

If you're gonna criticize Toews for last nite's loss - get him for being not very good on FOs - 10-11=47.6% - especially losing the opening FO in the OT.

The whole team was only 46% on the nite - only Strome was over 50%.

FOs may be overrated, given the TO rate in the game - but at certain times (special teams, OT) they become very important.

If you're gonna criticize Toews for last nite's loss - get him for being not very good on FOs - 10-11=47.6% - especially losing the opening FO in the OT.

The whole team was only 46% on the nite - only Strome was over 50%.

FOs may be overrated, given the TO rate in the game - but at certain times (special teams, OT) they become very important.
- StLBravesFan

Along with that - a comment or two about the 3x3 OT play in general.

Teams seem to have figured out the best way to win the third point of the evening - and that is to completely control the puck, don't turn it over.

Which means the team that has the puck just circles around the perimeter in the zone, takes it back out of the zone at the least sign of defensive pressure, and takes almost no chances on going to the net. They wait for the defense to make a mistake (which it usually does).

Defensively, the team without the puck also doesn't take any chances - very little pressure on the puck, making sure they don't get caught in half-court odd-man plays at the net.

When the 3x3 first started, they were terrifically exciting - up and back, odd man rush after odd man rush. Now they have become very boring, I think - they do eliminate the need for very many shootouts (a good thing in itself) - but the puck control game has taken over at the expense of what Doc call "firewagon hockey".

If there’s a market for a skater, there’s a market - and it’s up to the GM to take advantage of it - no matter how weak the team’s position seems to be.

The problem with too many of Stan’s cap imposed deals is that he waited until whatever market existed disappeared to pull the trigger.

Leddy probably should have brought back more than Pokka and a little cap relief. Sharp should have brought back more than Dailey and very little cap relief. There would have been a market for both - a competition between teams for them - earlier in those off seasons - before teams solved their problems by other means.

I have no idea what a 28 year oldresumed defenseman with good offensive skills and PP quarterbacking skills would bring - his defensive limitations would be well known to all. He’s not Bobby Orr offensively, he’s bad in his own zone, at his age he should have improved by now.
- StLBravesFan

Probably, but you've made the case before yourself. If there was a competition and a better offer, isn't it possible Stan might have made that deal instead of waiting.

At the time Pokka was considered a decent prospect and at the time Sharp was a player on the downward trajectory of his career. Either way, this ship sailed a long time ago, and it doesn't change the fact that Stan will likely be dealing from a position of strength with Gustafsson, because the fact is he doesn't have to trade him.