James Tanner: Galchenyuk returns + Domie vs Galchenyuk, round 1

Domi's luck is bound to run out eventually... right?

Domi's luck is bound to run out eventually... right?
- obie

Yes 100%. The Habs get out shot and chances are even when he's on the ice. When that happens, it's unusual to consistently be a plus player.

Yes 100%. The Habs get out shot and chances are even when he's on the ice. When that happens, it's unusual to consistently be a plus player.
- James_Tanner

I hear ya, that lucky son of a gun... if you combine the Coyotes top 2 point getters, they outscore Domi by a whole 7 points, talk about lucky eh?

Domi is far better than Galchenyuk... He thrives under pressure and Galchenyuk plays like is got a pole up his asssss. You got what your Gm deserves: a pogo!

Most of these these hf bloggers are full of poop

We need to win the lottery, get a face of the franchise type center, get healthy, and hopefully turn a corner next year...Domi trade looks bad at the moment but the Canadians are a more veteran well rounded team. Outta town for the next couple months so in closing. .Go Yotes, keep the faith

I don't expect Domi to continue his torrid pace but has far more potential than he ever showed in the desert. I will say the same thing about Chucky...he is a better player than his points suggest and has far more potential than he has displayed thus far in either city.

However having watched both players play in Montreal, Domi has had much more of a positive effect on his team than Chucky ever had. I have more confidence that Domi will reach his potential. Only time will tell.

I will say though that the comments by Mr. Tanner earlier in the season that he would take Galchenyuk over Domi all day long suggest to me that Mr. Tanner hasn't done his homework or maybe isn't being honest with himself either. The toned down enthusiasm in this post speaks volumes.

Watching the condensed game, it looked like it could have been a lot worse if it wasn't for Hill.

The Canes were all over the Yotes.

Galchenyuk was my favorite in Montreal but he will always under perform in this league because of his attitude.

He's not a leader and he isn't a spark plug like Domi is in Montreal with Gallagher. Advanced stats can't read that.

Domi's shot percentage is high because he only goes for high success rate shots, otherwise he's passing to Drouin.

Domi can also play center for real and is generally healthier.

He has more offense talent than Domi? A bit, yeah but he isn't a very consistent finisher and doesn't put in the effort because he has daddy on the sidelines telling him he's better than everyone.

Following the Habs I can say that the red flags are obvious on Chucky when compared to Max.

But I'll let you keep dreaming that Bergevin didn't bend Chayka over on this one....

Canadians are a more veteran well rounded team.
- Pet.m.d.

Except were really not. The oldest forward is Byron at 29.

Weber and Petry have some age on the blue line but it's kids all around them.

Even strength Galchenuk has a 45.9cf% tied for second worst on the Yotes.
Only Archibald is worse.....

Oh Sure too early to judge this.... but when the trade happened you were saying how much of a steal this was for Arizona..and then it was not too early?

Even strength Galchenuk has a 45.9cf% tied for second worst on the Yotes.
Only Archibald is worse.....
- camfor

Did i make a mistake and have it set to all situations? Ill have to double check

Oh Sure too early to judge this.... but when the trade happened you were saying how much of a steal this was for Arizona..and then it was not too early?
- habbies

I think its to early to reverse the universal opinion that Arizona won the trade.

too

Tanner, it's very apparent that you've never played the game. But I'm really starting to question if you even watch games or just read stats sites.
Plain and simple, Arizona is a terrible market that continues to fail. Domi is thriving now after being taken out of that cesspool. Chucky is a lazy center, that cant play center. He's over rated and his draft class sucked.
We all know you hate the Habs and will refuse to acknowledge anything positive. Domi is better. Eat your crow and carry on.

Tanner, it's very apparent that you've never played the game. But I'm really starting to question if you even watch games or just read stats sites.
Plain and simple, Arizona is a terrible market that continues to fail. Domi is thriving now after being taken out of that cesspool. Chucky is a lazy center, that cant play center. He's over rated and his draft class sucked.
We all know you hate the Habs and will refuse to acknowledge anything positive. Domi is better. Eat your crow and carry on.
- brandxbeer

this should end well

Tanner when the trade was made: Here's some stats that indicate Galchenyuk is a better player than Domi.

Tanner now: Here's some stats that indicate that Domi is playing better than Galchenyuk. But Galchenyuk is obviously better because he's more talented.

The Truth Stastically:

Domi's possession metrics are better than Galchenyuk's this year and over his career.
Domi's shooting percentage is better than Galchenyuk's but lower over his career.

Domi's possession numbers are easily sustainable.
Domi's shooting percentage this year is likely not sustainable.

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Watching Domi show up and play every game
Watching Galchenyuk show flashes of brilliance every 5-10 games

Why do you always equate shooting percentages with a players luck? Some players have bad shooting percentages because they take bad shots. Every blog you write when you
Mention this. A player with a high percentage has been lucky. And a player with low percentage is unlucky. Maybe all the goals you scored in your life we’re luck. But that’s not how it plays out daily in the nhl.

Why do you always equate shooting percentages with a players luck? Some players have bad shooting percentages because they take bad shots. Every blog you write when you
Mention this. A player with a high percentage has been lucky. And a player with low percentage is unlucky. Maybe all the goals you scored in your life we’re luck. But that’s not how it plays out daily in the nhl.
- Trevrrrgavo

Because shooting percentage has almost nothing to do with skill at the NHL level.

Tanner when the trade was made: Here's some stats that indicate Galchenyuk is a better player than Domi.

Tanner now: Here's some stats that indicate that Domi is playing better than Galchenyuk. But Galchenyuk is obviously better because he's more talented.

The Truth Stastically:

Domi's possession metrics are better than Galchenyuk's this year and over his career.
Domi's shooting percentage is better than Galchenyuk's but lower over his career.

Domi's possession numbers are easily sustainable.
Domi's shooting percentage this year is likely not sustainable.

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Watching Domi show up and play every game
Watching Galchenyuk show flashes of brilliance every 5-10 games
- ChrisGoalie39

I am not even going to argue with a person who has their mind made up and thinks that anyone who disagrees with them has some kind bias, deficiency or ulterior motive.

If you can't see that comparing two players when one is shooting under 5% and the other is shooting 20% isn't going to give you accurate answers, I can't help you.

I will say though, that if you were talking to any Coyotes fan who had watched Domi for the last three years and you characterized him as a guy who 'shows up to play every game' they would laugh in your face.

Lazy, selfish, plays when he feels like etc. That is how I imagine most Coyotes fans view him after three years. To be honest, he was so bad last year, so disinterested that Galchenyuk felt like 10x the player they deserved for him.

Because shooting percentage has almost nothing to do with skill at the NHL level.
- James_Tanner

Except that's nonsense.

Do yourself a favour, Tanner:

Go to the NHL.com stats engine, and take a look at the guys of the top of the list for combined shooting percentage from the 2015-16 season to present. Eliminate all the guys with less than about 500 shots (because, you know, sample size).

Mark Scheifele
Patrick Laine
T.J. Oshie
Auston Matthews
Evgeni Malkin
Brayden Point (428 shots)
Adam Henrique (489 shots)
Brock Boeser (272 shots)
Artem Anisimov (417 shots)
Mark Stone (499 shots)
Brad Marchand
William Karlssson ((463 shots)
Leon Draisatl
Steven Stamkos
Anders Lee
Jamie Benn
Nikita Kucherov
Sean Monahan
Sidney Crosby
Connor McDavid
Nicklas Backstrom
Joe Pavelski

Take a good, hard look at the top 20, and then tell me again that shooting percentage has nothing to do with talent at the NHL level.

Or at least repeat that Beagle's shot is as good as Ovechkin's shot. That was another instant Tanner classic.

I will say though, that if you were talking to any Coyotes fan who had watched Domi for the last three years and you characterized him as a guy who 'shows up to play every game' they would laugh in your face.

Lazy, selfish, plays when he feels like etc. That is how I imagine most Coyotes fans view him after three years. To be honest, he was so bad last year, so disinterested that Galchenyuk felt like 10x the player they deserved for him.
- James_Tanner

He obviously didn't want to be in Arizona, can you blame him?. He is insanely talented, showed it in London and now in Montreal, you think he just forgot how to play during his tenure in Arizona? His disinterested play for the Coyotes forced them to trade him. Their hands were tied and they did well to bring back a good young player in that trade. That being said...Montreal got the better player. If you keep waiting for the stats to even out over the months or years, you'll be waiting a long time.

I am not even going to argue with a person who has their mind made up and thinks that anyone who disagrees with them has some kind bias, deficiency or ulterior motive.

If you can't see that comparing two players when one is shooting under 5% and the other is shooting 20% isn't going to give you accurate answers, I can't help you.

I will say though, that if you were talking to any Coyotes fan who had watched Domi for the last three years and you characterized him as a guy who 'shows up to play every game' they would laugh in your face.

Lazy, selfish, plays when he feels like etc. That is how I imagine most Coyotes fans view him after three years. To be honest, he was so bad last year, so disinterested that Galchenyuk felt like 10x the player they deserved for him.
- James_Tanner

Domi obviously looks way more motivated in a market like Montreal than in Arizona.

I mean... who wouldn't be?

Domi's shooting percentage can be explained if you watch the games (you should try it, it's fun). Most of his goals are either very accurate shots or the ending of a nice passing play with Drouin. You rarely see him take shot unless it's a prime scoring chance.

Will it end up being lower at the end of the season or throughout his career: Yes, most likely.

Despite what I'd call "meh" possession stats, ask anyone watching the Habs how much Domi has driven the play at key moments. He's been clutch all year and a real gamer for the Habs.... something Galchenyuk has failed to do most of his career.... I'd dare say because he's not taking this whole "professional hockey player" thing as seriously as he could.

I hope he turns it around in Arizona, I think he has so much upside.... but the odds of him reaching it are way lower than Domi's chance of staying the course as a 60-70 points player.