Success, no. Finding pleasure/joy that a promising young man's career may be derailed by his organization mismanaging him...yueah, that's a kinda poopty stance.
Take Mario Lemieux. He used to annihilate us throughout the 90s. Jagr, too. But I never once was hoping that their careers would get derailed because I'm a hockey fan more than a Flyers' fan. Same with Crosby and Malkin. Same with Ovechkin. I don't WANT them to beat the Flyers, but I do enjoy watching them because they're really, really good.
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
Dec 17 @ 1:29 PM ET
So you would agree that 1 person has more of an impact on the play than the other 9 skaters? Or are you saying that the sample size has to be large enough to develop a trend to make the other 9 skaters' identities of no consequence? - jmatchett383
You can pretend shot attempts over a large sample size are useless if you want.
You can pretend shot attempts over a large sample size are useless if you want. - Feds91Stammer
Did you even read the (frank)ing post? I was agreeing with him it was tongue-in-cheek. You haven't figured out my sarcasm by now? Come on, even you can't be that dim.
So you would agree that 1 person has more of an impact on the play than the other 9 skaters? Or are you saying that the sample size has to be large enough to develop a trend to make the other 9 skaters' identities of no consequence? - jmatchett383
I would say that a goal has to happen because of a shot attempt therefore making it the most important event in hockey.
The current CBA is a 10-year deal, the longest in NHL history, expiring after the 2021–22 season.
Don't know if you can wait that long. - Feds91Stammer
I could be wrong, but I believe they have an option after this season. From what I’ve read there could be a potential lockout before next season starts.
I could be wrong, but I believe they have an option after this season. From what I’ve read there could be a potential lockout before next season starts. - Rinosaur
The former Carolina Panthers wide receiver? - j.boyd919
No, the Oilers defenseman who eliminated his own team, winners of the last 2 Cups, late in Game 7 against Calgary by scoring on his own net from behind it.
Well this might be the worst take I’ve seen in a while. - j.boyd919
its a measure of association rather than individual performance
for any given goal event, or shot attempt, multiple players contribute (e.g. passing, screening goalie, etc) and at the same time, the opposing five guys also contribute by letting the event happen. Raw talent and coaching/ line match-ups seek to exploit this
its a measure of association rather than individual performance
for any given goal event, or shot attempt, multiple players contribute (e.g. passing, screening goalie, etc) and at the same time, the opposing five guys also contribute by letting the event happen. Raw talent and coaching/ line match-ups seek to exploit this - HiSticking
You’re right. But that goal (majority. Large majority) doesn’t happen without a shot attempt.
Making it the single most important event.
Dude fans on a shot, no goal. Dude misses a pass, no goal. Dude gets his stick lifted, no goal. Dude gets wrecked in front of the net, no goal. But if the dude gets a shot attempt, there’s a chance it goes in, therefore making it the single most important part of a goal event.
Of course those other things factor in on the goal. I’m not saying they don’t. And I wouldn’t argue that they don’t. But the shot attempt is easily the most important part of a goal.
You’re right. But that goal (majority. Large majority) doesn’t happen without a shot attempt.
Making it the single most important event.
Dude fans on a shot, no goal. Dude misses a pass, no goal. Dude gets his stick lifted, no goal. Dude gets wrecked in front of the net, no goal. But if the dude gets a shot attempt, there’s a chance it goes in, therefore making it the single most important part of a goal event.
Of course those other things factor in on the goal. I’m not saying they don’t. And I wouldn’t argue that they don’t. But the shot attempt is easily the most important part of a goal. - j.boyd919
I'd disagree, and say that the plays the enabled the shot that scores a goal are just as important. If the pass doesn't get to the shooter, he can't attempt the shot. But again, that highlights the face that every player on the ice, generally, plays a part is every "goal attempt" if you will.
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
Dec 17 @ 2:19 PM ET
I'd disagree, and say that the plays the enabled the shot that scores a goal are just as important. If the pass doesn't get to the shooter, he can't attempt the shot. But again, that highlights the face that every player on the ice, generally, plays a part is every "goal attempt" if you will. - jmatchett383
So would you say royal road passes are a good stat?
You are correct. Owner or Union option. - stevens87
I thought the rumor going around was the union was going to opt-out. Don't know if that's still the prevailing thought process. It would suck, but it would definitely be a get out of Jack Johnson free card. Free in the cap pain sense of course.....pocket change for Burkle.
I'd disagree, and say that the plays the enabled the shot that scores a goal are just as important. If the pass doesn't get to the shooter, he can't attempt the shot. But again, that highlights the face that every player on the ice, generally, plays a part is every "goal attempt" if you will. - jmatchett383
and j.boyd
we're talking small differences.... looking at a play from different angles (i.e. the end result or creating the opportunity). Let's face it, without shooting there are no (or very few) goals (e.g. futbol). But, if you take a goal against and trace it backwards to its origin, its highly likely that most players on the ice had some type of impact on the result. Both are equally important.
we're talking small differences.... looking at a play from different angles (i.e. the end result or creating the opportunity). Let's face it, without shooting there are no (or very few) goals (e.g. futbol). But, if you take a goal against and trace it backwards to its origin, its highly likely that most players on the ice had some type of impact on the result. Both are equally important. - HiSticking
Sure. I’d agree that they’re both important. Equally? I dunno. I’ll agree to disagree and just let that be.
Sure. I’d agree that they’re both important. Equally? I dunno. I’ll agree to disagree and just let that be. - j.boyd919
So, I know we have to take in large samples, but take the Kessel PPG vs. NYI the other night. There are 3 quick tape-to-tape passes to get the defenders out of position, and a cross-crease pass that the goalie has no time to react to. Kessel just has to direct the puck in.
Now, obviously, if he doesn't correctly direct the puck, it doesn't go in. But if he doesn't receive the pinpoint pass, he never has the opportunity to deflect it. Similarly, if the prior 2 passes don't happen in quick succession, the cross-crease pass probably doesn't make it.
Just my take that all plays in a goal sequence are of equal importance.
I thought the rumor going around was the union was going to opt-out. Don't know if that's still the prevailing thought process. It would suck, but it would definitely be a get out of Jack Johnson free card. Free in the cap pain sense of course.....pocket change for Burkle. - madmike71
Here’s what I wonder...
Can you buy out a buyout? If the pens bought out JJ now and in two years the CBA allows more, can they buy that one out to negate the cap hit?
Can you buy out a buyout? If the pens bought out JJ now and in two years the CBA allows more, can they buy that one out to negate the cap hit? - Rinosaur
