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Fonz19
Joined: 12.05.2018

Dec 6 @ 2:27 PM ET
So Dubas signs Nylander.
Then tells him he is not being traded.
Nylander then tells the media that Dubas assured me that I am not getting traded.

That should be enough for everyone to dismiss a Nylander for Parayko package as non-sensical. Instead, it was selected as the best deal.

Trading Nylander would just destroy Dubas' bargaining position with Matthews and Marner. They would surely demand NMCs/NTCs as well as massively front-loaded contracts so that Dubas doesn't pull a fast one and trade them away as well.

Now if you said Kapanen + Liljegren, well at least that's a plausible idea.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 6 @ 2:29 PM ET
I say you chose the biggest overpayment of any of the offers. Nylander for parayko would already be a head scratcher. I think st.louis is winning that trade myself. Gardiner for kyrou?! And you think you need to sweeten the deal?! Wtf are we talking about here.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 6 @ 2:33 PM ET
Snow got fired. Pretty sure those billboards are gone
- BringNYIhome


Perfect. Now put the "Leak more rooomers" billboards up. If Ek had anything to talk about with any other team he would be blasting a blog every 10 mins.

Need some IslanderBuzz....

Barzal has always dreamed about playing for the Coyotes as a kid...more to come.

Happy?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 6 @ 2:34 PM ET
Jake Gardiner is funny, he's considered horrific defensively by fans yet his advanced stats say he's elite. LOL.
- RogerRoeper

There’s a lot of guys like this, defense is a hard position. Little mistakes look huge and one mistake is a goal. Edler gets the same treatment in Vancouver. Gardiner is the second best dman they got on team very short on nhl talent defenceman. He’d play top 4 on any team in the league.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 2:38 PM ET
This leaf fan believes the analytics.
His bonehead plays stand out to the eye and he just looks like a dear caught in headlights to look at. He makes many small subtle good defensive plays. Other leaf D make many bad defensive plays but as they aren’t huge WTF moments they don’t get the hate.
Gards is a very good D man.

- Dr. Leaf


VT001
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2016

Dec 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
So Dubas signs Nylander.
Then tells him he is not being traded.
Nylander then tells the media that Dubas assured me that I am not getting traded.

That should be enough for everyone to dismiss a Nylander for Parayko package as non-sensical. Instead, it was selected as the best deal.

Trading Nylander would just destroy Dubas' bargaining position with Matthews and Marner. They would surely demand NMCs/NTCs as well as massively front-loaded contracts so that Dubas doesn't pull a fast one and trade them away as well.

Now if you said Kapanen + Liljegren, well at least that's a plausible idea.

- Fonz19


They can't demand a NTC/NMC. Like Nylander, they will only be able to get one in the later years of their contract. Also front loading their contract makes them more valuable trading chips, as most teams in the NHL care more about dollar amount then cap hits. After the first year, other teams would welcome their contracts.


Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
Sadly, that time was three years before the Leafs signed him.
- Atomic Wedgie


Show me one season in his career when he was anything remotely resembling "elite".
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 6 @ 2:43 PM ET

- Cooshie



He is a very good dman. Is he elite like someone tried to say earlier? No.

But he's a lot better than he's given credit for. There are very few teams in the NHL with better dmen on their second line.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 2:45 PM ET
They can't demand a NTC/NMC. Like Nylander, they will only be able to get one in the later years of their contract. Also front loading their contract makes them more valuable trading chips, as most teams in the NHL care more about dollar amount then cap hits. After the first year, other teams would welcome their contracts.
- VT001


But Dubas will be hard pressed making any promises in the future to his players or UFA's - if he went out and traded Nylander right after making a promise.

It won't happen.
malcolmthornton
Joined: 06.20.2012

Dec 6 @ 2:45 PM ET
I think your selection for the winner is flawed and completely unrealistic given the facts we know. 1st fact - Nylander is not getting traded now, at the deadline, of this offseason. Dubas is on the record of saying Willie is not being traded under his watch. As part of their contract discussions, Dubas agreed not to trade him, and he will not back down on that. 2nd fact - Dubas is a man of his word. The Leivo trade completely supports that. This offseason he promised Leivo that if he was not going play with the Leafs he would Trade or Waive him to give him an opportunity. When Nylander came back, it was clear the Leivo was the odd man out under Babcock. Dubas stated in a press conference after the trade that he did right by Josh. Leivo is not the guy I would sit. Brown takes that honor in my lineup. So fact 2 supports fact 1. 3rd fact is Gardiner is a UFA after this year. Why would the Blue, who look to be closer to the Hughs sweepstakes that the playoffs trade for a UFA. Gardiner will hit the Jackpot in the UFA market this year, but although it may seem unlikely he really loves the Leafs and will take less to resign there and Babs loves him.
If the Leafs make the trade Kapanen is the one to go along with some pick and a prospect.
malcolmthornton
Joined: 06.20.2012

Dec 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
Agree with you completely!!!
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
He is a very good dman. Is he elite like someone tried to say earlier? No.

But he's a lot better than he's given credit for. There are very few teams in the NHL with better dmen on their second line.

- prock


he is great at moving the puck (important for Dmen) and entering offensive zone....very nice skater. Is a very solid offensive dman.
IS a train wreck in his own end.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 6 @ 2:52 PM ET
he is great at moving the puck (important for Dmen) and entering offensive zone....very nice skater. Is a very solid offensive dman.
IS a train wreck in his own end.

- Cooshie



he isn't a train wreck. He's for the most part pretty good, short of 1 or 2 nasty brain cramps per night. 90% of shifts, he's pretty decent. It's the stretch pass that he uses so much. He's very good at it. And hits it most of the time. But when he misses, it's not pretty.
Dr. Leaf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Oakville, ON
Joined: 07.01.2018

Dec 6 @ 2:54 PM ET
There’s a lot of guys like this, defense is a hard position. Little mistakes look huge and one mistake is a goal. Edler gets the same treatment in Vancouver. Gardiner is the second best dman they got on team very short on nhl talent defenceman. He’d play top 4 on any team in the league.
- neem55


Exactly.
He’s the whipping boy because his mistakes stand out as being just so stupid. Even their best D man makes a ton of defensive mistakes they just aren’t such head scratchers.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 6 @ 2:55 PM ET
Agreed, Nylander has been a key cog in Toronto's success this year.
- Whiskey-Tango


true. there might still be time to trick benning into trading tanev for nylander and 2 1sts.

lolz.
Jeff Paul
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 11.02.2018

Dec 6 @ 2:56 PM ET
The Flyers would be smart to make a strong push for Parayko and/or Brayden Schenn. Putting Colton in the place of MacDonald/Folin would be a huge upgrade, regardless of the price to get him. They also need better center depth as Patrick is off to another slow start. Schenn could immediately slot in as the #2 center, playing with JVR and Voracek. If Morin has any value left, send him and a high pick over to StL or dangle Rubstov or Phil Myers.

It will be interesting to see if Chuck makes that move.
Dr. Leaf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Oakville, ON
Joined: 07.01.2018

Dec 6 @ 3:01 PM ET
he is great at moving the puck (important for Dmen) and entering offensive zone....very nice skater. Is a very solid offensive dman.
IS a train wreck in his own end.

- Cooshie

At times. But he gets to the puck and gets it out well so as not to be stuck in his own end.
Best D is to have the puck in the O zone and not in your D zone being a “stay at home defenseman”.
Stats over a large sample size show he is effective at that. They score more with him in the ice than they give up by a wide margin - this is how you win. I completely agree he can drive you crazy with his big gaffs that fail the eye test. That is somewhat observer bias that gets reinforced easily.
He isn’t perfect at all. But he is a very effective hockey player and would be top 2 on the majority of teams. A lot of leaf fans act like he is a bottom pair guy and he just isn’t. Speculation is he could ask 6-7 million a year. Nobody would consider that if he wasn’t very good at what he does.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 6 @ 3:03 PM ET
The Flyers would be smart to make a strong push for Parayko and/or Brayden Schenn. Putting Colton in the place of MacDonald/Folin would be a huge upgrade, regardless of the price to get him. They also need better center depth as Patrick is off to another slow start. Schenn could immediately slot in as the #2 center, playing with JVR and Voracek. If Morin has any value left, send him and a high pick over to StL or dangle Rubstov or Phil Myers.

It will be interesting to see if Chuck makes that move.

- Jeff Paul


How about the Flyers send Lehtera back to St. Louis so they keep Schenn?
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 3:04 PM ET
he isn't a train wreck. He's for the most part pretty good, short of 1 or 2 nasty brain cramps per night. 90% of shifts, he's pretty decent. It's the stretch pass that he uses so much. He's very good at it. And hits it most of the time. But when he misses, it's not pretty.
- prock


I just disagree with you.
Gardiner will not engage in physical contact, he tries to avoid those situations at all costs. He is caught out of position so often that even fair weather fans can note of it. When there is pressure on the Leafs D, Gardiner is the last guy you want on the ice trying to get the puck out of the zone - he panics, stays away from dirty areas and is caught in no mans land - more often than an average NHL dman should!!
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 3:07 PM ET
At times. But he gets to the puck and gets it out well so as not to be stuck in his own end.
Best D is to have the puck in the O zone and not in your D zone being a “stay at home defenseman”.
Stats over a large sample size show he is effective at that. They score more with him in the ice than they give up by a wide margin - this is how you win. I completely agree he can drive you crazy with his big gaffs that fail the eye test. That is somewhat observer bias that gets reinforced easily.
He isn’t perfect at all. But he is a very effective hockey player and would be top 2 on the majority of teams. A lot of leaf fans act like he is a bottom pair guy and he just isn’t. Speculation is he could ask 6-7 million a year. Nobody would consider that if he wasn’t very good at what he does.

- Dr. Leaf


As long as he is not under pressure. When the pressure comes, he is useless in the defensive end.
I don't want to argue against Gardiner, he puts up a lot of points from the rear for the Leafs, and there is a good reason for that consistency...he has value. But it seems every game, he costs the Leafs a goal or 2.....hard to watch.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 6 @ 3:08 PM ET
I just disagree with you.
Gardiner will not engage in physical contact, he tries to avoid those situations at all costs. He is caught out of position so often that even fair weather fans can note of it. When there is pressure on the Leafs D, Gardiner is the last guy you want on the ice trying to get the puck out of the zone - he panics, stays away from dirty areas and is caught in no mans land - more often than an average NHL dman should!!

- Cooshie



Well,yeah, you disagree. And more importantly so does Babcock. so, he's not going anywhere.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Dec 6 @ 3:11 PM ET
Well,yeah, you disagree. And more importantly so does Babcock. so, he's not going anywhere.
- prock


I know Babcock loves him....and also, I don't expect him to go anywhere either. It's not like the leafs have any better options.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 6 @ 3:11 PM ET
As long as he is not under pressure. When the pressure comes, he is useless in the defensive end.
I don't want to argue against Gardiner, he puts up a lot of points from the rear for the Leafs, and there is a good reason for that consistency...he has value. But it seems every game, he costs the Leafs a goal or 2.....hard to watch.

- Cooshie



Well, he was on the ice for 70 ES goals against last year, and 22 so far this year.... so even if you assume he's responsible for every goal he's on the ice for, which is obviously silly, that still doesn't compute.

Perhaps your perception is off?
Fonz19
Joined: 12.05.2018

Dec 6 @ 3:14 PM ET
Did Skinner get traded yet? What about Muzzin? Any other E5 roomers?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 6 @ 3:18 PM ET
Did Skinner get traded yet? What about Muzzin? Any other E5 roomers?
- Fonz19

Yes from Carolina to Buffalo, didn't you hear
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