It is funny considering his point totals. Could it be that scoring alone doesn't indicates a player's value?
- easY

So you think 70 points on 1 team automatically means he would of had 70 points on the Flyers?

How's he doing this year when not riding on Schwartz?

You think Schenn would of changed things?

If only Schenn could of proved to be a 2C when he was actually in Philly...oh wait he played 1C last year for Stl then got knocked down to 2C later in the year...so St. Louis just happen to sign/trade centers in the offseason (ROR and Bozak). Now Schenn is spending a lot of time as 3C. Did you see his awesome game last night against Edmonton?
- Glak18

But Schenn can be 2C here. He just wasn't given the chance...

Schenn's Gone

Schenn's Gone


- Scoob

That trade was one of the last straws for Hexy. Shame shame

So you think 70 points on 1 team automatically means he would of had 70 points on the Flyers?

How's he doing this year when not riding on Schwartz?
- Glak18

or Vlady who was actually on line 3 and Schenn who was on line 2

So you think 70 points on 1 team automatically means he would of had 70 points on the Flyers?

How's he doing this year when not riding on Schwartz?
- Glak18

Well, I am sure he'd be better 2C than Patrick now, kid is nowhere near ready for duties he's been given. The point I wanted to make was that Hextall was out of his mind trading him to 2 picks in 2017. He thought he won a lottery with Patrick falling to us and it actually was. It was meant to speed up our rebuilding process. With trading Schen away he did absolute reverse and found himself with terrible hangover, falling out of his GM chair!
I am sure it will work out long-term though, I am just not sure I would not make that move myself. Keep you feet down always as GM, it is us the fans who should dream :-)

or Vlady who was actually on line 3 and Schenn who was on line 2
- dragonoffrost

You do realize Schenn started last season with Tarasenko which just happen to coincide with lots of points then gradually slowed during the year when he got bumped down.

This year Tarasenko has been playing with ROR and Sanford. ROR the guy they signed because they needed a 1C...then went and signed Bozak to be 3C only to be playing 2C and PP1 unit.

Well, I am sure he'd be better 2C than Patrick now, kid is nowhere near ready for duties he's been given. The point I wanted to make was that Hextall was out of his mind trading him to 2 picks in 2017. He thought he won a lottery with Patrick falling to us and it actually was. It was meant to speed up our rebuilding process. With trading Schen away he did absolute reverse and found himself with terrible hangover, falling out of his GM chair!
I am sure it will work out long-term though, I am just not sure I would not make that move myself. Keep you feet down always as GM, it is us the fans who should dream :-)
- Keith25

Hextall traded Schenn for a 1st rounder and received a 1st rounder for taking Lehtera and clearing cap space for St. Louis. That trade took 2 secs to say yes and hang up the phone.

Also Schenn was a 5th overall pick in 2009...considered one of the best prospects for years. Took Schenn draft +5 to be where Patrick is at right now at 20 years old.

But Schenn can be 2C here. He just wasn't given the chance...
- dragonoffrost

Obtaining both Schenn and O'Reilly hasn't helped the Blues at all. 2nd worse point total in the league. too bad the Flyers didn't have their first pick this year.

You do realize Schenn started last season with Tarasenko which just happen to coincide with lots of points then gradually slowed during the year when he got bumped down.

This year Tarasenko has been playing with ROR and Sanford. ROR the guy they signed because they needed a 1C...then went and signed Bozak to be 3C only to be playing 2C and PP1 unit.
- Glak18

Yep I realize that boosted his points to 70 which is why I laugh at all the Schenn should still be here posts.

But I also am laughing at Vlady on line 3. ONLY BERUBE!

NCAA is much different than CHL...Farabee is playing against grown men already. Plus Farabee is more of a shooter, where as Frost is a playmaker. Personally for me I give the slight edge to the scorer.
- Glak18

and his team is not stacked...

Hextall traded Schenn for a 1st rounder and received a 1st rounder for taking Lehtera and clearing cap space for St. Louis. That trade took 2 secs to say yes and hang up the phone.
- Glak18

I am fully with you, I am happy he did that because I am not Hextall. But you cannot make that trade as Flyers GM, after 3 mediocore seasons. Any other team, yes, not with Flyers! (unfortunately)He wasn't given 7 years to rebuild. That single move I believe cost him a job.
Flyers would be somewhere else now. They would have solid center in Top 9, which they do not have now. But I agree we have brighter future ahead with that move.

Yep I realize that boosted his points to 70 which is why I laugh at all the Schenn should still be here posts.

But I also am laughing at Vlady on line 3. ONLY BERUBE!
- dragonoffrost

Last night I really felt like I was watching the Flyers, every time they showed Berube and kept shaking my head....yeah coach doesn't make a difference.

I am fully with you, I am happy he did that because I am not Hextall. But you cannot make that trade as Flyers GM, after 3 mediocore seasons. Any other team, yes, not with Flyers! (unfortunately)He wasn't given 7 years to rebuild. That single move I believe cost him a job.
Flyers would be somewhere else now. They would have solid center in Top 9, which they do not have now. But I agree we have brighter future ahead with that move.
- Keith25

How much of an impact did Schenn make for the Flyers last year with 6 of top 7 guys having career years? They made the playoffs, Schenn did not. I just disagree that plopping Schenn in the lineup and assuming he scores 70 was guaranteed. How does an additional 3 goals and 12 assists make that big of a difference from the previous year when they missed the playoffs?

Would Schenn be an upgrade as 3C over Weal...hell yes, but he is lazy and a crappy locker room presence that the Flyers do not miss.

So what’s your idea of full value?

Kapenan isn’t taking a bridge deal fwiw
- mayorofangrytown

not sure, cant look at it at work but isnt this his first full season in the NHL? Do you think he will sign a long term contract? Maybe not a bridge but why would he lock up knowing if he keeps playing the way he is, his value will go up.

On Simmer

I think Vegas, Hawks, Blues and LA probably will have interest in Simmer. If Vegas continues to play well I could see them wanting him for sure, but I have to look at it some more. I just guessing like the rest of us.

You think Schenn would of changed things?

If only Schenn could of proved to be a 2C when he was actually in Philly...oh wait he played 1C last year for Stl then got knocked down to 2C later in the year...so St. Louis just happen to sign/trade centers in the offseason (ROR and Bozak). Now Schenn is spending a lot of time as 3C. Did you see his awesome game last night against Edmonton?
- Glak18

Schenn would absolutely change things. Those penalties called on him last night were incredibly soft. Did you watch the game? and he scored...

How much of an impact did Schenn make for the Flyers last year with 6 of top 7 guys having career years? They made the playoffs, Schenn did not. I just disagree that plopping Schenn in the lineup and assuming he scores 70 was guaranteed. How does an additional 3 goals and 12 assists make that big of a difference from the previous year when they missed the playoffs?

Would Schenn be an upgrade as 3C over Weal...hell yes, but he is lazy and a crappy locker room presence that the Flyers do not miss.
- Glak18

crappy lockeroom presence? haha what?? He's had a slow start man, he would 100% improve our team. How's our 2C doing? Not so hot.

How much of an impact did Schenn make for the Flyers last year with 6 of top 7 guys having career years? They made the playoffs, Schenn did not. I just disagree that plopping Schenn in the lineup and assuming he scores 70 was guaranteed. How does an additional 3 goals and 12 assists make that big of a difference from the previous year when they missed the playoffs?

Would Schenn be an upgrade as 3C over Weal...hell yes, but he is lazy and a crappy locker room presence that the Flyers do not miss.
- Glak18

Well I remember Schenn in his last Flyer year being the best player on the team, due to various reasons (Giroux injured etc.). I agree on Blues point. The fact is that Schenn is not the player who makes others better, but he is a great complimentary player. I am sure that with him in team and below second line

JVR - Schenn - Voracek

the following things would be almost utmost certain:

- we would be in playoff position
- there would be less empty seats
- and Ron would be still GM

Schenn would absolutely change things. Those penalties called on him last night were incredibly soft. Did you watch the game? and he scored...
- ClaudeFather

I was waiting for someone to mention he scored so he must of had a great game. He looked absolutely lost during the game, created nothing and one sequence had two plays with open teammates and choked on the passes. Then you have those "soft" penalties...especially the one in OT where even Weal would shake his head. Not soft...LAZY penalties. Oh his magical goal, he made a good cut back and pass back to the point where the puck came right back to him from a missed shot, open net on a bad angle and almost missed the net.

Well I remember Schenn in his last Flyer year being the best player on the team, due to various reasons (Giroux injured etc.). I agree on Blues point. The fact is that Schenn is not the player who makes others better, but he is a great complimentary player. I am sure that with him in team and below second line

JVR - Schenn - Voracek

the following things would be almost utmost certain:

- we would be in playoff position
- there would be less empty seats
- and Ron would be still GM
- Keith25

So Schenn alone would of improved Provorov and Ghost, improved the goaltending, would of single handedly improved the PK and PP and would have more than 6 points than our current 2C?

Now if you want to say Schenn would be an upgrade over Weal...no question, but he is not an upgraded 2C.

So Schenn alone would of improved Provorov and Ghost, improved the goaltending, would of single handedly improved the PK and PP and would have more than 6 points than our current 2C?

Now if you want to say Schenn would be an upgrade over Weal...no question, but he is not an upgraded 2C.
- Glak18

Again I am not advocating for Schenn. I am just saying that Hextall dig a big hole in Top 9 18 months ago. Which I think was very stupid and cost him a job at the end.
We would still have gap to contend for cup with Schenn, for sure, but it wouldn't be that bad as it's been so far.

I was waiting for someone to mention he scored so he must of had a great game. He looked absolutely lost during the game, created nothing and one sequence had two plays with open teammates and choked on the passes. Then you have those "soft" penalties...especially the one in OT where even Weal would shake his head. Not soft...LAZY penalties. Oh his magical goal, he made a good cut back and pass back to the point where the puck came right back to him from a missed shot, open net on a bad angle and almost missed the net.
- Glak18

Once again, did you watch the game? The Blues were absolutely dominated in the Second and Third period. No one on their team stood out but Schenn still managed to score. Very small sample size this one game bud, especially when the Blues were horrible. Those calls were soft, you know it, i know it.

They should be able to handle 4 X 7.5. That would pretty much be as far I'm willing to go in both term and cap hit.
- BiggE

I love Simmonds for what he brings but I agree anything more than 4 years is too much.
Look at how good that contract Lucic signed is paying off for Edmonton and he was supposedly one of the better power forwards in the game. Chiarelli is so smart his contract is untradeable and not buyout friendly either with all the bonus money he is being paid as you cannot buyout bonus money.

They should be able to handle 4 X 7.5. That would pretty much be as far I'm willing to go in both term and cap hit.
- BiggE

I love Simmonds for what he brings but I agree anything more than 4 years is too much.
Look at how good that contract Lucic signed is paying off for Edmonton and he was supposedly one of the better power forwards in the game. Chiarelli is so smart his contract is untradeable and not buyout friendly either with all the bonus money he is being paid as you cannot buyout bonus money.

Again I am not advocating for Schenn. I am just saying that Hextall dig a big hole in Top 9 18 months ago. Which I think was very stupid and cost him a job at the end.
We would still have gap to contend for cup with Schenn, for sure, but it wouldn't be that bad as it's been so far.
- Keith25

I just don't understand how you can say having Schenn on the team at the beginning of the season would change everything...utmost certainly a playoff team, Hextall having his job? The problems the Flyers are having would still be there, kind of like the problems St. Louis is having again this year...is Schenn making them a playoff team?