I also heard the hawks have been heavily scouting the la , Calgary and Edmonton games ?

Calgary is so desperately in need of a goaliemaybe crow waives his NMC.
- Taylorst1

Scott Darling may be available....Heard also that J. Quick is being shopped.

Scott Darling may be available....Heard also that J. Quick is being shopped.
- glennjpawlak22

I heard it might be rutta for muzzin,, that alleviates la cap problem .

I wouldn’t trade aa for Sammy g alone I do not see the net gain as AA has value in the blue paint and isn’t afraid to stand there. If we had to take him back as part of a seabrook deal the next it makes sense

Thanks for the update, JL. I think Q was the first domino, and if Seabs goes, the other core will follow. Losing Kane will suck beyond suck.
- I Am The Breadman

I don't see Stan moving Kane. I'm guessing Seabrook anisomov maybe Chicago's 1st pick for gagner, and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.



Also heard rutta for muzzin

Looking to Sam g contract to aa Aa is a year longer at 4.55 to 3.15 but that extra 1.4 million isn’t at the cost of the better player and we aren’t to the cap this year. I’d think he would be worth more at the trade dead line I feel he were ok not using his nmc

There is no universe anywhere where Vancouver trades Pettersson. He is about as untouchable as any young player in the game.
- hereismike1

I think pettersson will be part of the deal
It will probably be something like Seabrook, anisomov and 1st or 2nd for gagner and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.


Then rutta moves to la for muzzin

I heard it might be rutta for muzzin,, that alleviates la cap problem .
- Taylorst1

I believe muzzin is the better player but he also has another year at 4m

I don't see Stan moving Kane. I'm guessing Seabrook anisomov maybe Chicago's 1st pick for gagner, and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.



Also heard rutta for muzzin
- Taylorst1

I don’t think even mcjesus unborn child is enough to get Patterson out of vanouver

Respectfully to all,

1. In any profession or walk of life, especially sports, NOBODY in any position of leadership is ever going to say anything that counters the organizations goals. Internally, there may be a different plan and understanding as to what they team is trying to accomplish, but you will never say that to your employees or your customers. That is common sense. Please reflect on this the next time anyone gets the urge to say "we like our team". Does anyone believe there is any benefit to stating anything otherwise? Please put this to bed. Internally, there may be different expectations, the message is every player is approaching every practice, game, shift with the intentions of winning and making the playoffs. Expecting to hear anything different is insane and rather childish. I get most of you are simply frustrated and want some immediate gratification, but this stuff takes time.

2. There clearly is a plan. I stated this weeks ago. It will take a few months, but players are being given rope. See Gus and many others. Guys are being given the opportunity to play themselves out of the future plans. As this process levels out, you will have remaining your new core. With that will come more consistent play and accountability. Some of this is playing out according to many of your expectations.

3. While I was ahead of schedule a few years back with my assessment of NHL play style, we are currently in an era of speed and more goals. Don't believe me, go watch youth hockey, junior and college. The modern NHL has more in common with run and gun basketball then clutch and grab hockey of 25 years ago. That is not going to change. The game has never been more entertaining. The talent and skill levels are in abundance. Size and strength defensively takes a back seat to a defenders speed, quickness and agility. His ability to react to situation, win a race and make a quick move an pass. I am not saying defense and physical hockey is not important, I am stating that in an era of puck possession, getting and controlling the puck is everything.

I think pettersson will be part of the deal
It will probably be something like Seabrook, anisomov and 1st or 2nd for gagner and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.


Then rutta moves to la for muzzin
- Taylorst1

Only if our first is top 3 protected, and then I don't see Vancouver doing it.

I think pettersson will be part of the deal
It will probably be something like Seabrook, anisomov and 1st or 2nd for gagner and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.


Then rutta moves to la for muzzin
- Taylorst1

Put the keyboard down slowly and walk away...

Your point #1 is the biggest issue lately and is 100% about the coaching change. The effort is there a lot of the time but the attention to detail is not. Science tells us that it usually takes (on average) about 66 days to change a habit or for things to become automatic. I'm not trying to prove or disprove that science and that might not be exact with regards to hockey players and their habits on the ice, but I think it is safe to say it can take some time to get the kinks worked out and for guys to be all on the same page. We see guys putting in the effort, but making mistakes on coverage. The team had some issues under Q and we know the roster isn't deep, but things have only gotten worse because of these details they keep missing. I think the season could have been salvageable under Q, but they fired him (ripping the band-aid off) and it's gonna take some time to get the ship sailing on course. Once some of the things on the ice become second nature, guys will start operating at full speed and making less mistakes (hopefully).
- breadbag

All this is true....but what do you make of the stats that show typically, a team that makes a coaching change gets lift in terms of a better short term record? Hitch in Edmonton, there are other examples. Chicago is the only place that has gotten measurably worse after the in season coaching change I believe.

My guess, is this is a problem when you shift gears to someone who is learning on the job and doesn't know fully what they are doing yet. And to make matters worse, they didn't let the new guy pick his assistant coaches. And the assistant coaches they gave him rub ALL the vets the wrong way due to the bad history between him and the coach they loved who got the heave-ho.

Bottom line is that we are getting what Bowman manufactured here. If he was trying to tank he executed this change perfectly.

I think pettersson will be part of the deal
It will probably be something like Seabrook, anisomov and 1st or 2nd for gagner and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.


Then rutta moves to la for muzzin
- Taylorst1

Good lord Pettersson is not getting traded.

On the LA side of the deal, I'm pretty sure they would throw in Doughty and Kopitar if we include Kahun too.(red font)

Good lord Pettersson is not getting traded.

On the LA side of the deal, I'm pretty sure they would throw in Doughty and Kopitar if we include Kahun too.
- hereismike1

If Pettersson gets traded Van may riot again.

All this is true....but what do you make of the stats that show typically, a team that makes a coaching change gets lift in terms of a better short term record? Hitch in Edmonton, there are other examples. Chicago is the only place that has gotten measurably worse after the in season coaching change I believe.

My guess, is this is a problem when you shift gears to someone who is learning on the job and doesn't know fully what they are doing yet. And to make matters worse, they didn't let the new guy pick his assistant coaches. And the assistant coaches they gave him rub ALL the vets the wrong way due to the bad history between him and the coach they loved who got the heave-ho.

Bottom line is that we are getting what Bowman manufactured here. If he was trying to tank he executed this change perfectly.
- hereismike1

I'll 100% admit I don't have any data in front of me, but I thought it wasn't always an immediate lift. I was under the impression there were some real split results immediately following a coaching change. I honestly don't know and maybe this situation is unique in a lot of ways given the caliber of coach they fired, how long he was here and the somewhat (don't blast me for this) post modern dynasty situation the Hawks are in with their stars, contracts, roster.

I don't know what Bowman's plan has been and likely it has changed...maybe he waited too long to make a change and realized waiting longer wasn't going to make it any easier. I personally would have liked to see a more experienced NHL coach behind the bench. I'm still worried we are going into coach roulette again with a new face every season or so.

Not that it matter much, but for those keeping score, Per Lazerus/Powers:

Rutta, Kunitz and Martinsen are out tonight. Crow starting. By playing tonight, Hayden officially will have to clear waivers to be loaned to the minors.

I think pettersson will be part of the deal
It will probably be something like Seabrook, anisomov and 1st or 2nd for gagner and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.


Then rutta moves to la for muzzin
- Taylorst1

I think you must be kidding, right? Pettersson will be their new superstar. He won't be traded to anyone at this point.

Good lord Pettersson is not getting traded.

On the LA side of the deal, I'm pretty sure they would throw in Doughty and Kopitar if we include Kahun too.(red font)
- hereismike1

I think Taylor is kidding about those proposals.

Not that it matter much, but for those keeping score, Per Lazerus/Powers:

Rutta, Kunitz and Martinsen are out tonight. Crow starting. By playing tonight, Hayden officially will have to clear waivers to be loaned to the minors.
- Chunk

Hayden is a waste of space. Had some flashes last year, total let down this year. No offense, no hitting...

Not that it matter much, but for those keeping score, Per Lazerus/Powers:

Rutta, Kunitz and Martinsen are out tonight. Crow starting. By playing tonight, Hayden officially will have to clear waivers to be loaned to the minors.
- Chunk

So this means Gus is in... I'd like them to let Hayden play until he either proves he deserves a permanent spot or will be moved.

Hayden is a waste of space. Had some flashes last year, total let down this year. No offense, no hitting...
- EnzoD

100% agree. He was playing with more edge and urgency when he first showed up but lately that has been very rare this season. Maybe a couple odd shifts.

Last season, he came into camp ready and looking like a guy who wanted to just get better and better, but where did that fire go? Maybe he just needs more time to get there, but this season he has not done nearly enough. I'd love to see him get to the front of the net more and use his size more to protect the puck to make a play.

I think you must be kidding, right? Pettersson will be their new superstar. He won't be traded to anyone at this point.
- MjulQvist

Vancouver wants either that 1 or 2 pick to pick up the brother. I think k Stan wants a larger deal and he would be what stan wants and is willing to give up. But hey we shall see.

I don't see Stan moving Kane. I'm guessing Seabrook anisomov maybe Chicago's 1st pick for gagner, and Patterson with Vancouver taking salary back.



Also heard rutta for muzzin
- Taylorst1

Ok, thanks T1.

Watching the Leafs / Sabres game last night I thought how much Kane could contribute to the Sabres offence. They are a very nice developing team.

And I believe the Sabres own St. Louis #1 pick from the Ryan O'Reilly trade.
- RickJ

Tor/Buff game was outstanding, as was the Lv/Wash game.

As far as that second point, that is interesting. Should take more than that, but the Blues figure to have a good pick based on their season so far. It would still be a surprise, but in my opinion they would be doing Kane a huge favor. Good catch Rick.

Good lord Pettersson is not getting traded.

On the LA side of the deal, I'm pretty sure they would throw in Doughty and Kopitar if we include Kahun too.(red font)
- hereismike1

Thank you i seen play on couple games kid is sick and when he grows into his body going to be even better. So say Seabrook to. Vancouver what would the trade look like and leave pettersson out of it he is going to be a corner stone for that team. Rutta for muzzin staight up do see that either. Happening unless more on the hawks side. I would explore at tdl crawford to phily Calgary carolina buffalo maybe even pitt AA to a team at the tdl for a prospect or 3rd pick. Kunitz 7th round. Gus send to rockford murphy only if the deal makes sense but we have remember bowman is doing this so more than likely will screw it up and get garbage back. Like last year AA to Columbus for a 3rd shoulda done then 4.5 million in cap space but bo bowman wanted more so no deal now look at AA what 5 goals relegated to 4th line good luck moving that contract.