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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 6 @ 5:46 PM ET
[Hopefully] Next Year's Lineup:
Saad-Toews-Stone
Debrincat-Strome-Kane
2019 Pick-Barratt-Sikura
Kahun-Kampf-Perlini

Keith-Jokiharju
Forsling-Boqvist
Mitchell-Seabrook

Crawford
Delia

The 3rd line might need to be mixed up so it's not all rookies, but imagine having a talented and potent 3rd line? What a dream.

- ObeseOprah

Those lines are one scenario I can get behind as a starting point if Stone is able to be signed this summer over Panarin.

IMHO, the wildcards would then be the bottom 6:

There is a high likelihood that Sikura fills one of the 3rd line spots. He would be the playmaker.

Would love Barratt on the 3rd line as well; he could have a trajectory like Saad and Shaw in needing very little if any time on the farm (assuming he signs an ELC this spring, of course, and forgo 2 more years at Penn State).

If Barratt and say the #1 draft pick can't make the cut next season, then there would be 2 spots open on that line. Kahun is a logical option. If Anisimov happens to be on the team still, he could center Kahun and Sikura. Perlini could be an option, too, if he's retained.

Then there's Edjsell who I think Stan is going to want to see in the Hawks lineup by next season to see some dividends in the Hartman trade while Beaudin is developing.

For the 4th line, I like Kampf as the starting point as the center of a shutdown line since I can't see the 3rd line playing that role. Who then to play wing on the 4th line?

Perlini perhaps but I see both him and Kahun as thriving more as middle 6 forwards rather than relegated as shutdown guys.

Hayden is an option but he really needs to simpify his game playing north-south and playing heavy. Having a set role as 4th line banger rather than a top 6 placeholder or wannabe top 6 forward is just messing with his development instead of taking advantage of his true assets.

I can also see Johnson, Highmore, Knott, and Nilsson in the mix. Maybe even Tyler Sikura.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 6 @ 5:51 PM ET
Those lines are one scenario I can get behind as a starting point if Stone is able to be signed this summer over Panarin.

IMHO, the wildcards would then be the bottom 6:

There is a high likelihood that Sikura fills one of the 3rd line spots. He would be the playmaker.

Would love Barratt on the 3rd line as well; he could have a trajectory like Saad and Shaw in needing very little if any time on the farm (assuming he signs an ELC this spring, of course, and forgo 2 more years at Penn State).

If Barratt and say the #1 draft pick can't make the cut next season, then there would be 2 spots open on that line. Kahun is a logical option. If Anisimov happens to be on the team still, he could center Kahun and Sikura. Perlini could be an option, too, if he's retained.

Then there's Edjsell who I think Stan is going to want to see in the Hawks lineup by next season to see some dividends in the Hartman trade while Beaudin is developing.

For the 4th line, I like Kampf as the starting point as the center of a shutdown line since I can't see the 3rd line playing that role. Who then to play wing on the 4th line?

Perlini perhaps but I see both him and Kahun as thriving more as middle 6 forwards rather than relegated as shutdown guys.

Hayden is an option but he really needs to simpify his game playing north-south and playing heavy. Having a set role as 4th line banger rather than a top 6 placeholder or wannabe top 6 forward is just messing with his development instead of taking advantage of his true assets.

I can also see Johnson, Highmore, Knott, and Nilsson in the mix. Maybe even Tyler Sikura.

- AEL_Fox

Let's say the Hawks do happen to reacquire Panarin and not go after Stone, then this could be a starting point for next year:

Saad - Toews - Sikura
Panarin - C - Kane
DeBrincat - Strome - RW
LW - Kampf - RW

Keith - Jokiharju
Forsling - Boqvist
LD - Seabrook

LD for that 3rd pair and the 7th man could be two of Gustafsson, Manning, Murphy, or perhaps rookies like Carlsson, Hillman, Mitchell, Beaudin, or Krys.

Also, it is imperative that the 4th line be the shutdown group so that the top 3 lines don't have to have that as priority #1. Roll 3 solid offensive lines and a shutdown line.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Dec 6 @ 5:55 PM ET
There is a lot of talk surrounding Panarin, and the money he is asking for. I do understand that is 1 of several negatives about him. I like Stone, but why aren't people concerned about his money either? He is on a 1 year 7.35 mil deal, and I don't see that going down.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 6 @ 6:01 PM ET
There is a lot of talk surrounding Panarin, and the money he is asking for. I do understand that is 1 of several negatives about him. I like Stone, but why aren't people concerned about his money either? He is on a 1 year 7.35 mil deal, and I don't see that going down.
- I Am The Breadman

Yeah, I read somewhere that he may command north of $9MM which is the same territory as Panarin. Wonder what the term is that each is seeking?
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Dec 6 @ 6:06 PM ET
Yeah, I read somewhere that he may command north of $9MM which is the same territory as Panarin. Wonder what the term is that each is seeking?
- AEL_Fox


They are both under 30, so my guess is the max amount of years for ufa's. Plus July first is the day of insanity for most teams. With all of the cap space we will walk into, we get to be a part of it!
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Dec 6 @ 6:20 PM ET
I’m actually enjoying the Warren Commission/Zapruder film level of scrutiny - makes me feel better about my own Hawk-compulsive issues.
- Chief4Feathers



Q's take on the zapruder film: President upper body injury, day to day.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 6 @ 6:30 PM ET
You guys are on fire today.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Dec 6 @ 6:49 PM ET
Q's take on the zapruder film: President upper body injury, day to day.
- Spec41971


What is Wanny's (Wansstedt) take? He's got a head?
stanleyhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Pearisburg, VA
Joined: 07.13.2014

Dec 6 @ 7:03 PM ET
So, tonight is game 15 without Q. The Hawks played 15 games under Q. So, 15 games vs. 14 games so far:

PP Q 7/50=14.0%
PP JC 3/33=9.1%

PK Q 76.6%
PK JC 70.3%

G/G Q 3.07
G/G JC 2.36

GA/G Q 3.73
GA/G JC 3.64

SAT Q 51.5%
SAT JC 49.8%

What jumps out of the raw data is that the Hawks are similarly bad defensively under both coaches (and regardless of system changes), but Q managed to get more offense out of the roster.

- gmurban




Remember, however, the Hawks started the season with decent scoring--eighteen goals in the first 4 games. In his last 11 games Q got 28 goals out of the team. In his first 11 games JC got 27 goals out of the team. Pretty even, i would say. The unfortunate part is that the downward trend in scoring under Q has continued under his successor. Interestingly, the Hawks scored 9 goals in Q's last 6 games, 10 in JC's first six, 19 in his most recent 6 games, which just goes to show that these comparisons really don't mean a great deal one way or the other.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Dec 6 @ 7:10 PM ET
Remember, however, the Hawks started the season with decent scoring--eighteen goals in the first 4 games. In his last 11 games Q got 28 goals out of the team. In his first 11 games JC got 27 goals out of the team. Pretty even, i would say. The unfortunate part is that the downward trend in scoring under Q has continued under his successor. Interestingly, the Hawks scored 9 goals in Q's last 6 games, 10 in JC's first six, 19 in his most recent 6 games, which just goes to show that these comparisons really don't mean a great deal one way or the other.
- stanleyhawk


Would you by chance have goals scored both for and against in 1st periods under both coaches and that comparison?
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 6 @ 7:21 PM ET
Would you by chance have goals scored both for and against in 1st periods under both coaches and that comparison?
- glennjpawlak22


A whole lot against.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 6 @ 7:24 PM ET
Remember, however, the Hawks started the season with decent scoring--eighteen goals in the first 4 games. In his last 11 games Q got 28 goals out of the team. In his first 11 games JC got 27 goals out of the team. Pretty even, i would say. The unfortunate part is that the downward trend in scoring under Q has continued under his successor. Interestingly, the Hawks scored 9 goals in Q's last 6 games, 10 in JC's first six, 19 in his most recent 6 games, which just goes to show that these comparisons really don't mean a great deal one way or the other.
- stanleyhawk


Except for the fact that The team overall really isn't all that good and a lot of patience will be needed. All I am looking for this season is some progress within the team.

The entertaining part will have to be supplied by the moves that Stan makes (or doesn't make) and the pages upon pages of comments here critiquing each one of them.
gmurban
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Joined: 04.08.2008

Dec 6 @ 7:43 PM ET
Remember, however, the Hawks started the season with decent scoring--eighteen goals in the first 4 games. In his last 11 games Q got 28 goals out of the team. In his first 11 games JC got 27 goals out of the team. Pretty even, i would say. The unfortunate part is that the downward trend in scoring under Q has continued under his successor. Interestingly, the Hawks scored 9 goals in Q's last 6 games, 10 in JC's first six, 19 in his most recent 6 games, which just goes to show that these comparisons really don't mean a great deal one way or the other.
- stanleyhawk




Fair point regarding sample size not being the biggest. I do think 15 games is a reasonable sample size, though, and the comparisons are not useless. After all, we will never have more than 15 games under Q to measure.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Dec 6 @ 7:43 PM ET
Except for the fact that The team overall really isn't all that good and a lot of patience will be needed. All I am looking for this season is some progress within the team.

The entertaining part will have to be supplied by the moves that Stan makes (or doesn't make) and the pages upon pages of comments here critiquing each one of them.

- Chunk

Rocky should put bowman in the corner of his room take phones or contact devices so no more damage can be made close the door and throw away the until the season is over open the door and tell bowman your fired and walk away.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Dec 6 @ 7:46 PM ET
Rocky should put bowman in the corner of his room take phones or contact devices so no more damage can be made close the door and throw away the until the season is over open the door and tell bowman your fired and walk away.
- Scott1977


Nobody puts baby in the corner.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Dec 6 @ 7:53 PM ET
No Forsling tonight, he's out with a shoulder injury. He played through the injury last night so hopefully it's not too bad.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Dec 6 @ 7:54 PM ET
Rocky should put bowman in the corner of his room take phones or contact devices so no more damage can be made close the door and throw away the until the season is over open the door and tell bowman your fired and walk away.
- Scott1977


Or... Rocky could keep him around for, you know, stuff...

I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Dec 6 @ 7:56 PM ET
Or... Rocky could keep him around for, you know, stuff...


- Chief4Feathers


I hate that scene! It is gross af!
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Dec 6 @ 7:57 PM ET
No Forsling tonight, he's out with a shoulder injury. He played through the injury last night so hopefully it's not too bad.
- DarthKane


Sad to hear. Hope it's a quick recovery.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
Sad to hear. Hope it's a quick recovery.
- I Am The Breadman


Martinsen in for Fortin as well. I like the kid's attitude, but Fortin needs to be sent back down. you need to be more than just fast. You can see it when he gets a breakaway. He almost panics and doesn't really know what to do.

I was all for Hayden at the start of the year as well, but he just doesn't bring enough (or if he does, it isn't often enough). Great, he is willing to drop the gloves, but he should be producing something at this point.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Dec 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
No Forsling tonight, he's out with a shoulder injury. He played through the injury last night so hopefully it's not too bad.
- DarthKane

Rutta back in?

Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Dec 6 @ 8:01 PM ET
Nobody puts baby in the corner.
- I Am The Breadman

Give his pacifier so he doesn't cry
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Dec 6 @ 8:05 PM ET
Martinsen in for Fortin as well. I like the kid's attitude, but Fortin needs to be sent back down. you need to be more than just fast. You can see it when he gets a breakaway. He almost panics and doesn't really know what to do.

I was all for Hayden at the start of the year as well, but he just doesn't bring enough (or if he does, it isn't often enough). Great, he is willing to drop the gloves, but he should be producing something at this point.

- Chunk


No Fortin! This night just keeps on sucking.

I agree, he needs Rockford. He panics with the puck. I've noticed it too.

Hayden is like most of the team, hot and cold. TOO MANY bottom liners and not enough top 6 talent.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Dec 6 @ 8:11 PM ET
Let's say the Hawks do happen to reacquire Panarin and not go after Stone, then this could be a starting point for next year:

Saad - Toews - Sikura
Panarin - C - Kane
DeBrincat - Strome - RW
LW - Kampf - RW

Keith - Jokiharju
Forsling - Boqvist
LD - Seabrook

LD for that 3rd pair and the 7th man could be two of Gustafsson, Manning, Murphy, or perhaps rookies like Carlsson, Hillman, Mitchell, Beaudin, or Krys.

Also, it is imperative that the 4th line be the shutdown group so that the top 3 lines don't have to have that as priority #1. Roll 3 solid offensive lines and a shutdown line.

- AEL_Fox


I'm wondering if they will be chasing Duchene as a possible UFA target.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 6 @ 8:15 PM ET
Martinsen in for Fortin as well. I like the kid's attitude, but Fortin needs to be sent back down. you need to be more than just fast. You can see it when he gets a breakaway. He almost panics and doesn't really know what to do.

I was all for Hayden at the start of the year as well, but he just doesn't bring enough (or if he does, it isn't often enough). Great, he is willing to drop the gloves, but he should be producing something at this point.

- Chunk


Hopefully Kunitz in the press box too. Maybe after 15-20 games there, he'll get the hint and ask for a trade at the deadline or just retire.
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