My God....give it a rest with the Crawford stuff.

The microscope you guys have that play under is ridiculous.

Disappointment wise, just be glad we aren’t St. Louis fans, at least at this point. Unlike Stanbo picking up pressbox fodder in Kunitz, Manning and Ward, Armstrong added those “missing” pieces that was to get them to the promise land- O’Reilly, Bozak, Perron, Marroon and look how they stink up the room as much as our Hawks do. And they’ll be stuck with them for some time. We all knew our signings wouldn’t change the state of the team even if we had at best a bubble team.

I know you want there to be something more to it than it is, but I don't think your alluding to some type of post-concussion issue is the case at all here. It was a bad goal from a bad angle. Plain and simple, man.

It happens.

Again, a lot of goalies flinch at shots that are high and tight into the shoulders/head area.
- Hank3Henshaw

I’m really not alluding to some post concussion issue with Crawford, but I am wondering if it’s made him for lack of a better word gun shy.

I’m really not alluding to some post concussion issue with Crawford, but I am wondering if it’s made him for lack of a better word gun shy.




- walleyeb1

All good. I was referring more to Z3.

My God....give it a rest with the Crawford stuff.

The microscope you guys have that play under is ridiculous.
- Hank3Henshaw

You mean giving up a goal on an incredible shot has nothing to do with crashing a snowmobile?

My God....give it a rest with the Crawford stuff.

The microscope you guys have that play under is ridiculous.
- Hank3Henshaw

I’m actually enjoying the Warren Commission/Zapruder film level of scrutiny - makes me feel better about my own Hawk-compulsive issues.

I’m actually enjoying the Warren Commission/Zapruder film level of scrutiny - makes me feel better about my own Hawk-compulsive issues.
- Chief4Feathers

Until Gagner gets injured...... then what? I do not share your "optimism" on this one.
- I Am The Breadman

Neither do I.

- Hank3Henshaw

If you look closely, there was a second puck shot at Crawford’s head... from the Zamboni bay.

So does this mean you've finally conceded that maybe Q wasn't the main problem after all?
- BMWChiFan[/quote
His unwillingness to work in a team environment is what cost him his job . And I don't believe he will ever work that way ,it my way or the highway with him . He has no patience for working new players into the system .And in the NHL today nothing stay's the same for long ..

If you look closely, there was a second puck shot at Crawford’s head... from the Zamboni bay.
- Chief4Feathers

That's just hilarious. I just don't understand why so many of todays goalies are on their knees in a situation like that. It leaves that top corner by their head open. If they just STOOD up, they could more readily cover the near post and be in better position to push off if needed. I can still remember my son being schooled in that manner 20yrs. ago about plays like that one.

That's just hilarious. I just don't understand why so many of todays goalies are on their knees in a situation like that. It leaves that top corner by their head open. If they just STOOD up, they could more readily cover the near post and be in better position to push off if needed. I can still remember my son being schooled in that manner 20yrs. ago about plays like that one.
- BobP.

It's interesting because I think we may have seen the last of the hybrid goalies (combo of standup and butterfly) when Brodeur retired.

I often wonder if there will be a time down the line where that style is picked back up.

Z3, I was with you when you were on the "Q's shelf life has expired" most of the last couple of years because I did think he was an amazing coach, but no longer effective with the group he had. Now, you're questioning Colliton's abilities. I don't think he would have had the success he had in Sweden or with the Hogs if he was a terrible coach. Was it terrible timing? yes Was it a premature promotion? maybe Was he handed some assistants who may not be helpful? yes

At what point is it the players and their effort/motivation and the makeup of the roster? How is it that for the past few games, they've been able to turn it on and make a game of it against some very good teams for 2 of 3 periods? Why aren't they fighting the whole way? Why so lost in period 1? Maybe it is the systems, maybe the players' attitudes or effort, maybe both.

Maybe JC should just say for one game, "you know what? screw the systems - don't think about them. Kane, create the F lines, Keith create the D pairings. Now, just go out there and play hockey like you know how to and we'll see what happens" Get them out of their heads.
- pdx2ord

The problem is we will never know what kind of positive change was possible if the Hawks had hired an experienced, respected coach with just a different approach than Q. The Hawks did the opposite of this. For a team containing highly successful veteran players with 3 Cups, Olympic Golds, Conn Smythes, a Hart and an Art Ross the Hawks chose to hire a coach with not a single game coached in the NHL. Not even as an Assistant. Coached in Sweden, team in lower level most of time he is there. Rockford in AHL - all of ONE season. Didn’t win it all in the AHL - lost in the Western Final. In North America his experience is exactly ONE season in the AHL and he is going to instruct Kane, Keith, Seabrook and Toews about how to play hockey. No recipe for disaster there do you think? Vegas hires Gallant, Toronto hires Babcock, Edmonton hires Hitchcock, Chicago hires Colliton. Guess which hiring is different from the others?

The fact that Front Office Ghoul Granato and Scotty Minion Smith are the Assistants turns my stomach. The Hawks just seem so dysfunctional.

There is nothing stopping this coaching staff from making moves that make sense. Where is the new great PP? D System? Great Line Combinations? Where is anything positive?

Bettman is a failure! I LOVE IT!
- powerenforcer

I'm not sure most of the owners would agree with you.

If the Forbes article is at all valid, average franchise value is $630 MM, up 7% over last year, and average operating income is $25 MM, up over three times the average six years age.

I vote old school WHA, Houston Aeros.
- Davewn

Old school?

Colt 45s.

(OK - not hockey - but still....)

You mean giving up a goal on an incredible shot has nothing to do with crashing a snowmobile?
- Dieselhead

It is not just the 2nd goal last night. I hope that Crawford is totally healthy. However, if Crawford is totally healthy then the Hawks are in huge trouble as Crawford cannot stop break-ins.

If you look closely, there was a second puck shot at Crawford’s head... from the Zamboni bay.
- Chief4Feathers

The problem is we will never know what kind of positive change was possible if the Hawks had hired an experienced, respected coach with just a different approach than Q. The Hawks did the opposite of this. For a team containing highly successful veteran players with 3 Cups, Olympic Golds, Conn Smythes, a Hart and an Art Ross the Hawks chose to hire a coach with not a single game coached in the NHL. Not even as an Assistant. Coached in Sweden, team in lower level most of time he is there. Rockford in AHL - all of ONE season. Didn’t win it all in the AHL - lost in the Western Final. In North America his experience is exactly ONE season in the AHL and he is going to instruct Kane, Keith, Seabrook and Toews about how to play hockey. No recipe for disaster there do you think? Vegas hires Gallant, Toronto hires Babcock, Edmonton hires Hitchcock, Chicago hires Colliton. Guess which hiring is different from the others?

The fact that Front Office Ghoul Granato and Scotty Minion Smith are the Assistants turns my stomach. The Hawks just seem so dysfunctional.

There is nothing stopping this coaching staff from making moves that make sense. Where is the new great PP? D System? Great Line Combinations? Where is anything positive?
- Z3Hawk

Excellent post....I am with you 100%. Compare all the coaching hires, and this one makes no sense.

Regarding the Crow stuff, when I hear him in interviews he seems even more slow than he did before. However, last night he made a bunch of key saves in the 2nd period to keep us in the game. If his condition affected him on one shot in the first, he sure looked good in other parts of the game.

Only time will tell.

The problem is we will never know what kind of positive change was possible if the Hawks had hired an experienced, respected coach with just a different approach than Q. The Hawks did the opposite of this. For a team containing highly successful veteran players with 3 Cups, Olympic Golds, Conn Smythes, a Hart and an Art Ross the Hawks chose to hire a coach with not a single game coached in the NHL. Not even as an Assistant. Coached in Sweden, team in lower level most of time he is there. Rockford in AHL - all of ONE season. Didn’t win it all in the AHL - lost in the Western Final. In North America his experience is exactly ONE season in the AHL and he is going to instruct Kane, Keith, Seabrook and Toews about how to play hockey. No recipe for disaster there do you think? Vegas hires Gallant, Toronto hires Babcock, Edmonton hires Hitchcock, Chicago hires Colliton. Guess which hiring is different from the others?

The fact that Front Office Ghoul Granato and Scotty Minion Smith are the Assistants turns my stomach. The Hawks just seem so dysfunctional.

There is nothing stopping this coaching staff from making moves that make sense. Where is the new great PP? D System? Great Line Combinations? Where is anything positive?
- Z3Hawk

The roster is bad and they were this bad with Q except the top players were scoring at at an unsustainable rate.

5 third pairng / AHL defenders an aging very good player who won't come to terms that hes 35 and a 19 yearold is their most reliable person back there.

Baaaaaaaaaaad. More of a talent problem then a coach problem.

So, tonight is game 15 without Q. The Hawks played 15 games under Q. So, 15 games vs. 14 games so far:

PP Q 7/50=14.0%
PP JC 3/33=9.1%

PK Q 76.6%
PK JC 70.3%

G/G Q 3.07
G/G JC 2.36

GA/G Q 3.73
GA/G JC 3.64

SAT Q 51.5%
SAT JC 49.8%

What jumps out of the raw data is that the Hawks are similarly bad defensively under both coaches (and regardless of system changes), but Q managed to get more offense out of the roster. The power play manages to be even worse under JC.

It's been a month. Normally, teams play inspired for a month under a new coach when it is clear the old coach had lost the team. The Hawks have not seen such inspiration, suggesting that Q may not have lost the team.

To my eye, the Hawks are missing Q's greatest strengths, which gave this awful roster a fighting chance . . . playing match ups and in-game adjustments. The result is offense is down ~25%.

Firing Q, Stan has actually exposed how terrible HIS roster is. Congrats, Stan.

It's interesting because I think we may have seen the last of the hybrid goalies (combo of standup and butterfly) when Brodeur retired.

I often wonder if there will be a time down the line where that style is picked back up.
- Hank3Henshaw

I might be wrong, but I think a few things from the "old school" style would do well to enhance today's butterfly style. There's a couple of other situations where i think they would be better served at times.

I’m actually enjoying the Warren Commission/Zapruder film level of scrutiny - makes me feel better about my own Hawk-compulsive issues.
- Chief4Feathers

More like the "Magic Loogie" reconstruction from Seinfeld.

Disappointment wise, just be glad we aren’t St. Louis fans, at least at this point. Unlike Stanbo picking up pressbox fodder in Kunitz, Manning and Ward, Armstrong added those “missing” pieces that was to get them to the promise land- O’Reilly, Bozak, Perron, Marroon and look how they stink up the room as much as our Hawks do. And they’ll be stuck with them for some time. We all knew our signings wouldn’t change the state of the team even if we had at best a bubble team.
- Popsghostly

And they gave up a 1st and 2nd to Buffalo for ROR. The 1st is top ten protected, but still. Woof

On a more uplifting note. Looks like the strength of the 2019 draft is F/C. most people only have 2-3 D going in the lottery compared to 5-6 last year. with as bad as our F depth is that is lucky. that said I have watched a little video of both J hughes and Kappo Kacko and I'm starting to think I might like the latter better. he has more size more weight a better shot and factoring his size moves really well. No idea who gets moved but for me I would trade any player older then Teows and Kane.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ospect-rankings-november/

The roster is bad and they were this bad with Q except the top players were scoring at at an unsustainable rate.

5 third pairng / AHL defenders an aging very good player who won't come to terms that hes 35 and a 19 yearold is their most reliable person back there.

Baaaaaaaaaaad. More of a talent problem then a coach problem.
- fattybeef

Fatty,

Good points. I agree the shooting percentage was unsustainable the first handful of games. But over 15 games under Q, it was 9.3% (20th in the league, and consistent with last season's league average). Over 14 games under JC, it has fallen to 7.7% (26th in the league). To my eye, under Q, the team was getting more of the greasy goals, and that likely accounts for the fall off. I do not believe that the 3 goals per game under Q should be unsustainable.