That may be the case because no one seems interested in moving top pairing D right now.
- Blazed

Yup. At least of similar age.

Would have to come with him extending.....and also depend on the $$ value of that contract.
- Cooshie

Even then.. We can't expect Pietrangelo to take less than what he's worth. It could very well be his last big contract.

False. Konecny would be worth more and could get a defender better than Dermott.

He could also help replace Nylander when he gets traded for a really good defender.
- Unholy_Goalie

Lol

If they could have got a young impact player, they would have. Pietrangelo, being more valuable, can get a young impact player as well as draft picks. And for the Leafs, they'd be fine trading both if it means getting what they need.
- Unholy_Goalie

I don’t think one team in this league will pay a straight up elite young 20 year old player for a UFA bound player

Karlsonn is a perfect example of that...all spare parts and no impact player.

I read a good article today.

A Werenski for Nylander type trade is a win...you get a equally good player at a good age. Hamilton for Nylander is a short term win long term loss.

The thing is that it’s unlikely any team can afford to lose a 22 year old elite D.
- Santo_44

Mid-season is a terrible time to trade a major piece of someone’s Dcore as well. It’s a tough time to fill holes.

You can handle holes up front but trading your best or second best defensemen is crippling for all but the deepest teams.

Honestly, (frank) Nylander. Holding out on a potential cup run. Pretty much tells you all you need to know. If I were the leafs I’d target Manson from the Ducks. Nylander/Holl for Manson/Henrique. Helps balance some cap for ANA and Leafs get a legit hard nosed defender and a solid 4C for a run this year.

I wrote similar to this note yesterday that all the focus on a D man if nylander is traded is kinda off the mark. We NEED winger(s) that CAN score
Matthews needs a partner to give him a line
2) marleau will be 40 next year
3) you expect Kadri to play with brown and Johnson and tally goals??

If nylander is dealt you have void. Kapanen is fast but is he the permanent solution for Matthews? We need 2 complete lines and when I say winger(s) can they handle the physicality of bruins Bergeron Marchand and Pasternak and can they handle bruins giant on defenders?

I’m saying trade a kapanen to get a Manson or pesce(May have to add) and trade nylander for something that can score

You really think we can get into first round playoffs up agai st Wilson and nasty ovechkin and more of the like.

I kind of like pesce and m Ferland but don’t stop there get us an upgrade bottom 6
- BreathLeafs2015

I like this idea but we need to add more. Have to think if Nylander is traded for a D-man that Matthews will be like who the frank am I gonna play with now?

Mid-season is a terribly time to trade a major piece of someone’s Dcore as well. It’s a tough time to fill holes.

You can handle holes up front but trading your best or second best defensemen is crippling for all but the deepest teams.
- Blazed

I think losing elite players up front is just as bad...

Look no further than the leafs not getting secondary scoring right now. It goes both ways.

Honestly, (frank) Nylander. Holding out on a potential cup run. Pretty much tells you all you need to know. If I were the leafs I’d target Manson from the Ducks. Nylander/Holl for Manson/Henrique. Helps balance some cap for ANA and Leafs get a legit hard nosed defender and a solid 4C for a run this year.
- iTOLDu

Nylander and Gardiner for Manson, Silfverberg and Ritchie.

I like this idea but we need to add more. Have to think if Nylander is traded for a D-man that Matthews will be like who the frank am I gonna play with now?
- PatC80

Matthews maybe thinkin that already. Playing with 39 yr old marleau and kapanen when he had Hyman and nylander a year ago

I think Trouba could be bad for the right price, but I don’t think the Jets would want Nylander even though the value is right.

The always popular 3-way?

Nylander and Gardiner for Manson, Silfverberg and Ritchie.
- PatC80

Yuck

Yuck
- Santo_44

Spitballin' ideas. Point is, it would need to be a bigger deal

I think losing elite players up front is just as bad...

Look no further than the leafs not getting secondary scoring right now. It goes both ways.
- Santo_44

12 v 6. Time on ice forward vs D. It’s a harder hole to fill.

Shifting guys around the wing is a lot easier than plugging a plug on your top pair imo.

Edit: example I’m sure Nylander + or even ++ could meet the value requirements for Ekblad, but look at their 3 pairs without Ekblad, a total mess.

12 v 6. Time on ice forward vs D. It’s a harder hole to fill.

Shifting guys around the wing is a lot easier than plugging a plug on your top pair imo.

Edit: example I’m sure Nylander + or even ++ could meet the value requirements for Ekblad, but look at their 3 pairs without Ekblad, a total mess.
- Blazed

I think you are undervaluing scoring.

A lot.

I think Trouba could be bad for the right price, but I don’t think the Jets would want Nylander even though the value is right.

The always popular 3-way?
- Blazed

Darren Dreger was saying on tsn insider trading that Leafs are asking for a top 4 d-man and a top 6/9 forward.

Maybe, but from a Leafs fan perspective, Nylander plus draft picks is a really, really high price to pay for 1 year of Pietrangelo
- PatC80

No deal unless Pietrangelo agrees to an extension.

He's from King City and he played with Tavares as a kid. They could figure something out.

Dubas should join the Chia club and trade Nylander straight up for Adam Larsson.

Heading to the game tonight. Leafs 4-1.

Tavares at 11
Matthews maybe at 11
Marner maybe at 9
Nylander at what 7 or 8?
Its almost already into the Kadri territory
- PatC80

That's what I'm saying. The original point was that the players want Nylander to get as much as possible so they can also cash in bigger too. I originally said, if Nylander gets 8, Marner asks for more and Matthews asks for more.

Ideally, Nylander gets 7 or less, which then helps keep Marner lower too and Matthews less than Tavares, or equal at worst.

Nylander and Gardiner for Manson, Silfverberg and Ritchie.
- PatC80

Ritchie is garbage...very little value.

Nylander for Manson and Silfverberg on it's own is ok (although as I mentioned, I hate 2 for 1 trades when your 1 is at the beginning of his career and talented like Nylander)......throwing in Gardiner on top, that would be horrible for the Leafs.

If they trade Pietrangelo they may as well blow it up.
- Blazed

They've been bad this year so they just might do that.

Or, instead of "blowing it up", get 22 year old players like Nylander and not go all the way down.

I think you are undervaluing scoring.

A lot.
- Santo_44

Not at all, Toronto has had no problem scoring goals without Nylander they’re top 3 in the conference.

It’s more likely you have forwards that can play up the lineup, than it is to have a defensemen capable of a big jump.

You can roll and spread ice time across 3-4 lines easier than 2-3 D pairs.

Nylander out Kapanen is flourishing with the opportunity.

If Reilly goes out for an extended period the D gets paper thin.

Ritchie is garbage...very little value.

Nylander for Manson and Silfverberg on it's own is ok (although as I mentioned, I hate 2 for 1 trades when your 1 is at the beginning of his career and talented like Nylander)......throwing in Gardiner on top, that would be horrible for the Leafs.
- Cooshie

If we trade Gardiner, we automatically rid ourselves of the opposition's best offensive threat

They've been bad this year so they just might do that.

Or, instead of "blowing it up", get 22 year old players like Nylander and not go all the way down.
- Unholy_Goalie

After what they traded for O’Rielly can’t see it. Highly doubt they will ‘Shattenkirk’ Pietrangelo.

If we trade Gardiner, we automatically rid ourselves of the opposition's best offensive threat
- PatC80

I am not Gardiner fan, but you are talking about a Dman with nearly 100pts in 2 season....not many D men in the NHL like that.