- Roadrunner75

Alright I'm out before the 3am rantings kick into full effect.

See you all thursday!

You should try cheering for the Leafs more often. It'll make your soul feel good.

On Karlsson- Offensively, I agree. Defensively, he's the exact same as he's always been; absolutely useless.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I will when it benefits us just as I’m sure your guys feelings weren’t so hurt when we beat the Habs....can’t go full on leaf tho....possibly a part time position

You're right but he wasn't counting on LA being the worst team in the league. If the Kings decide to blow it up, maybe he reconsiders where he wants to play now that he got his pay day.

I used Doughty as the immediate example but it could be another #1 RHD out there. The point is, if you can improve the team by moving Rielly and Nylander, the Leafs would be stupid not to do it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Dude, how does moving your top dman improve the team. He's like one of the best in the league this year!

Dude, how does moving your top dman improve the team. He's like one of the best in the league this year!
- mykokes

Defensively?

It improves the team if you move "your" best D for "the" best D in the NHL.

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24 yo

WHY THE (frank) WOULD ANYONE CONSIDER MOVING THAT!

Dude, how does moving your top dman improve the team. He's like one of the best in the league this year!
- mykokes

... And on the ridiculous contract. Amazing value.

Morgan's age, upside and contract should end the discussion right there.

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24 yo

WHY THE (frank) WOULD ANYONE CONSIDER MOVING THAT!
- mykokes

Yeah "on pace". I'm sure he's gonna score 100 points. I'll wait for that to happen.

Defensively?

It improves the team if you move "your" best D for "the" best D in the NHL.
- Unholy_Goalie

He's getting better and better by the game. I told you, he's this teams Duncan Keith. You may scoff at that, but there are many nights this year he's the best player on the ice. And the numbers are showing that despite playing with a 36 yo Hainsey, and not a brett seabrook, or some other true #2 dman, that he's either already or on the verge of being an elite dman. The grass isn't greener on the other side.

He's getting better and better by the game. I told you, he's this teams Duncan Keith. You may scoff at that, but there are many nights this year he's the best player on the ice. And the numbers are showing that despite playing with a 36 yo Hainsey, and not a brett seabrook, or some other true #2 dman, that he's either already or on the verge of being an elite dman. The grass isn't greener on the other side.
- mykokes

A-(frank)ING-MEN!!

He's getting better and better by the game. I told you, he's this teams Duncan Keith. You may scoff at that, but there are many nights this year he's the best player on the ice. And the numbers are showing that despite playing with a 36 yo Hainsey, and not a brett seabrook, or some other true #2 dman, that he's either already or on the verge of being an elite dman. The grass isn't greener on the other side.
- mykokes

He's got a long, long way to go to be Duncan Keith. Doughty is today what Keith was years ago.

Yeah "on pace". I'm sure he's gonna score 100 points. I'll wait for that to happen.
- Unholy_Goalie

If he finishes with 70 plus points will that be good enough, because he already has 8 goals and 15 assists now in 18 games, and he's been ppg for his last 43.

Every night you're on here preaching this team needs a #1 RHD, well newsflash, we all know it too, but we also know there isn't one available right now, and secondly no matter how badly you want there to be, and #2 you don't trade the guy who at 24 is looking like he's developed into one of the best in the league this year at his position, #3 trading a #1 LHD for #1 RHD is called a sideways move.

He's got a long, long way to go to be Duncan Keith. Doughty is today what Keith was years ago.
- Unholy_Goalie

Just stop.

Whether you believe that or not, you're not convincing anyone. Nobody.

Doughty, Pietrangelo or Ekblad isn't happening. Let it go.

I will when it benefits us just as I’m sure your guys feelings weren’t so hurt when we beat the Habs....can’t go full on leaf tho....possibly a part time position
- RatedR80

I can almost always cheer for McJesus (obviously not against the Leafs, though), even though I don't really care for Edmonton.

Plus, I got the Nuge on my fantasy team.

If he finishes with 70 plus points will that be good enough, because he already has 8 goals and 15 assists now in 18 games, and he's been ppg for his last 43.

Every night you're on here preaching this team needs a #1 RHD, well newsflash, we all know it too, but we also know there isn't one available right now, and secondly no matter how badly you want there to be, and #2 you don't trade the guy who at 24 is looking like he's developed into one of the best in the league this year at his position, #3 trading a #1 LHD for #1 RHD is called a sideways move.
- mykokes

Not if it's an improvement and that LHD is replaced by moving Nylander.

Just stop.

Whether you believe that or not, you're not convincing anyone. Nobody.

Doughty, Pietrangelo or Ekblad isn't happening. Let it go.
- As_I_See_It

Not saying it's going to happen but it's what the goal should be because those are the holes they have to fill and the assets they have to make it happen.

Just stop.

Whether you believe that or not, you're not convincing anyone. Nobody.

Doughty, Pietrangelo or Ekblad isn't happening. Let it go.
- As_I_See_It

Trust me, I wish it was happening. But I don't see any of those guys in a current riff with one of their teammates like EK was, nor do I see any of them wanting out from their teams. Maybe at the draft a guy like that might spring free, but right now, in November, I don't see a single team moving their #1 RHD.

And I don't see the Leafs moving off Reilly for anything right now. He's cost certainty, and producing like crazy,

Not saying it's going to happen but it's what the goal should be because those are the holes they have to fill and the assets they have to make it happen.
- Unholy_Goalie

But can't you just say it once...or twice and move on? It's the same group of guys on here...they all know how you feel, so why keep repeating it over and over and over? No one here can make your dreams come true (except Gulliver)...you need to call Dubas or Shanny directly and let them know. Maybe text, tweet or fax them. And let them know how stupid Babcock is while you're at it. Include your resume as well.

Not saying it's going to happen but it's what the goal should be because those are the holes they have to fill and the assets they have to make it happen.
- Unholy_Goalie

Right, which you have said multiple times. We know where you stand on this. Most of us are in agreement. In fact every hockey mind in this city points to the leafs rhd side and says we need a huge upgrade. But we might feel we have the assets, teams with that RHD aren't trading them for the exact reason we want them so bad.

EK was traded due to multiple circumstances. None of Ekblad, Doughty and Pietrangelo are going through the crap of losing a child and dealing with some crazy teammates girlfriend and a crazy owner.

Trust me, I wish it was happening. But I don't see any of those guys in a current riff with one of their teammates like EK was, nor do I see any of them wanting out from their teams. Maybe at the draft a guy like that might spring free, but right now, in November, I don't see a single team moving their #1 RHD.

And I don't see the Leafs moving off Reilly for anything right now. He's cost certainty, and producing like crazy,
- mykokes

Pietrangelo only has 1 year left, Kings are in 31st and might blow it up, Ekblad I don't see them moving but if the guy they are getting back is cheaper and young, maybe they might consider it. Wouldn't say it's a 100% guarantee but a lot of things can change over the course of a year and wouldn't say it's impossible either.

Right, which you have said multiple times. We know where you stand on this. Most of us are in agreement. In fact every hockey mind in this city points to the leafs rhd side and says we need a huge upgrade. But we might feel we have the assets, teams with that RHD aren't trading them for the exact reason we want them so bad.

EK was traded due to multiple circumstances. None of Ekblad, Doughty and Pietrangelo are going through the crap of losing a child and dealing with some crazy teammates girlfriend and a crazy owner.
- mykokes

Again, 31st LA Kings might blow it up, the Blues also suck and only 1 year left on his deal so they might move on, Ekblad you'd have to give up an equally young / valuable player which could be Rielly if the Leafs can replace him by moving Nylander for a LHD like H. Lindholm. These opportunities may present themselves. I'm talking about possibilities.

Doughty, Pietrangelo, Ekblad or Hamilton...

OR GTFO.

Nylander is the ticket to get a #1 RHD. If they can't get one today, get him back in the lineup, build his value up and wait until one becomes available.

Under no circumstances should Nylander be traded for some sack of poop and/or a 2nd pairing defender. Simply not worth it.
- Unholy_Goalie

the convo starts with jones or gtfo

Figure out a way to get poon jenner as well

Trade this greedy, soft as slime creampuff already

team will be better for it

He's got a long, long way to go to be Duncan Keith. Doughty is today what Keith was years ago.
- Unholy_Goalie

I think the problem with Nylander for a LHD and Rielly for a RHD is that you're dealing from a position of weakness in both cases. A top line LW is worth less than a top pairing LHD and a LHD is worth less than a RHD, all things being equal. On top of that, you're talking about top 5 RHD, so the cost would be astronomical. In both cases the Leafs would have to overpay to get over the hump and that takes away any depth they've built up over the years and any future depth as well.

Not saying it wouldn't be amazing, Lindholm and Doughty as a top pairing would be great, but it's not really realistic to demand the Leafs pull off two moves like this.

In the end it's a nice theory, like making moves in NHL 2018, but I dont see it being very realistic. Anahiem would have to want to move Lindholm, which they don't, and LA would have to want to move Doughty, which they don't and the Leafs would have to be lucky enough, and pay enough, to outbid half the league in both cases. Not a great scenario.

Pietrangelo only has 1 year left, Kings are in 31st and might blow it up, Ekblad I don't see them moving but if the guy they are getting back is cheaper and young, maybe they might consider it. Wouldn't say it's a 100% guarantee but a lot of things can change over the course of a year and wouldn't say it's impossible either.
- Unholy_Goalie

If Doughty didn't extend for 8 years like he did, or say he didn't want to play in toronto like he did, I might think that was a possibility. I just don't see him changing his mind in under 6 months. I think he's quite comfortable in LA.

As for Pietrangelo, well, there's a guy I hope doesn't extend or we do target then.

I think the problem with Nylander for a LHD and Rielly for a RHD is that you're dealing from a position of weakness in both cases. A top line LW is worth less than a top pairing LHD and a LHD is worth less than a RHD, all things being equal. On top of that, you're talking about top 5 RHD, so the cost would be astronomical. In both cases the Leafs would have to overpay to get over the hump and that takes away any depth they've built up over the years and any future depth as well.

Not saying it wouldn't be amazing, Lindholm and Doughty as a top pairing would be great, but it's not really realistic to demand the Leafs pull off two moves like this.

In the end it's a nice theory, like making moves in NHL 2018, but I dont see it being very realistic. Anahiem would have to want to move Lindholm, which they don't, and LA would have to want to move Doughty, which they don't and the Leafs would have to be lucky enough, and pay enough, to outbid half the league in both cases. Not a great scenario.
- 13sundin13

Not necessarily. Rielly's point totals, contract and age might put the Leafs in a "sell high" situation if it brings in the right RHD. Same with Nylander. His age and his position might be something Anaheim wants because of the injury to Perry and their surplus of defenders. They could move Fowler instead of Lindholm. That wouldn't be so bad either.