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juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Nov 9 @ 1:14 PM ET
Winnipeg needs to keep Trouba at all cost if they are serious about a cup run this season. He’s arguably the number 2 dman after Morrissey.

It’s possible he doesn’t wasn’t to re-sign, but they aren’t moving him imo.

- flyer_nutter


Plus they really don't need top 6 help. They generate lots of offense.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 9 @ 1:15 PM ET
They might take Simmonds + Sanheim
- Glak18



I would rather add a first rounder then Sanheim. Gudas is playing well so could he be a part and help handle some minutes.

Edit: If not Trouba I just think they need to somehow find another top 4 guy somehow.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:18 PM ET
I would rather add a first rounder then Sanheim. Gudas is playing well so could he be a part and help handle some minutes.
- J35Bacher


Yeah looking at Winnipeg's perspective, they won't want a first that doesn't help them this year. Unless it's Giroux, Voracek, Provorov or Ghost...they would want exceptional youth to replace Trouba.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:18 PM ET
Plus they really don't need top 6 help. They generate lots of offense.
- juiced


They need a #2C as there is doubt about Little or Roslovic filling that role. It’s why they got Stastny at the deadline last season.

That defense isn’t really all that strong after Buff, Morrissey and Trouba - I don’t see them weakening it.

Imo a bigger need for this team is a competent goaltender.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:21 PM ET
They need a #2C as there is doubt about Little or Roslovic filling that role. It’s why they got Stastny at the deadline last season.

That defense isn’t really all that strong after Buff, Morrissey and Trouba - I don’t see them weakening it.

Imo a bigger need for this team is a competent goaltender.

- flyer_nutter


The Flyers need to remove the glut of poop at the bottom of the depth before they do that. If you get lucky maybe they could use some of those pieces with someone else to get that competent goaltender.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Nov 9 @ 1:23 PM ET
The goaltending issue isn't one where it's a one year fix. It needs to be addressed to fix for seasons to come.

If you're talking about just getting into the playoffs this season it makes zero sense to move parts just for a rental. Hell, if they fix their bigger issues, i.e. the special teams, they could get in with the cronies they have now.

Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:24 PM ET
Please, no kidding. Have you ever played ice hockey at a level above peewee? If you have, then you know that there is a confidence level factor that is in play based on the quality of your teammates, especially the goaltender. I played up to Junior at age 18 (US, not Canada). I played in front of good goalies, including Mike Richter at a hockey summer camp and some piss poor ones. You absolutely get a sense of confidence when you know you are playing in front of a goaltender that is good enough to erase the occasional mistake and can make, on a at least a semi regular basis, that huge momentum shifting save that the better goalies seem to make.

It's not about thinking your goalie isn't good enough, it's about having the confidence to know that when the inevitable mistakes are made, your goalie is good enough to bail you out. Other than Elliott, I don't think they feel that way about the rest of the bunch. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but it's just as obvious that you don't know that it's not how they feel.

- BiggE


Was this at Wissahickon Skating Club?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 9 @ 1:28 PM ET
Florida could be an interesting team. They were looked at to be a team to really push for the playoffs this year and yet they havn't done much. If they dont turn it around I wonder if they would be a partner where you could make a good hockey trade.

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:28 PM ET
The goaltending issue isn't one where it's a one year fix. It needs to be addressed to fix for seasons to come.

If you're talking about just getting into the playoffs this season it makes zero sense to move parts just for a rental. Hell, if they fix their bigger issues, i.e. the special teams, they could get in with the cronies they have now.

- Pelle31Forever


It seems Minny is going to fool itself into thinking they have a shot at anything more than a playoff taste. Perhaps in the offseason, but I would explore Dubnyk.

Crawford might be a possibility as well. Imo they can’t go into next season with the turdage they decided on for this year. Hart by all accounts seems to probably need more AHL time.

The preds have slowly brought along Saros behind Rinne. Hart could hypothetically be that guy behind say Dubnyk.

A man can dream. I do think personnel wise, a goalie is the biggest issue on the team. It’s the most important position.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:34 PM ET
It seems Minny is going to fool itself into thinking they have a shot at anything more than a playoff taste. Perhaps in the offseason, but I would explore Dubnyk.

Crawford might be a possibility as well. Imo they can’t go into next season with the turdage they decided on for this year. Hart by all accounts seems to probably need more AHL time.

The preds have slowly brought along Saros behind Rinne. Hart could hypothetically be that guy behind say Dubnyk.

A man can dream. I do think personnel wise, a goalie is the biggest issue on the team. It’s the most important position.

- flyer_nutter


If they want another goaltender this year then they need to find a way to get rid of 2 of the 3 they have now ASAP.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Nov 9 @ 1:35 PM ET
It seems Minny is going to fool itself into thinking they have a shot at anything more than a playoff taste. Perhaps in the offseason, but I would explore Dubnyk.

Crawford might be a possibility as well. Imo they can’t go into next season with the turdage they decided on for this year. Hart by all accounts seems to probably need more AHL time.

The preds have slowly brought along Saros behind Rinne. Hart could hypothetically be that guy behind say Dubnyk.

A man can dream. I do think personnel wise, a goalie is the biggest issue on the team. It’s the most important position.

- flyer_nutter


Completely agree about goalie being the most important position. And it's the single most glaring individual weakness.

I'm just looking at from a perspective to fix it long term rather than try and slap a band aid on it for this season or even next.

The goalies you mentioned are nice, but does it make the Flyers "next level" good?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:37 PM ET
They need a #2C as there is doubt about Little or Roslovic filling that role. It’s why they got Stastny at the deadline last season.

That defense isn’t really all that strong after Buff, Morrissey and Trouba - I don’t see them weakening it.

Imo a bigger need for this team is a competent goaltender.

- flyer_nutter


The Flyers already have a competent goaltender. I'd aim higher.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:38 PM ET
If they want another goaltender this year then they need to find a way to get rid of 2 of the 3 they have now ASAP.
- Glak18


I don’t really see many true upgrades available. You could roll the dice on a guy like Dell but is that really an upgrade?

This season is what it is, I think. Would like to see Lyon get some games. They know what they have in Pickard and Elliot.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:39 PM ET
Completely agree about goalie being the most important position. And it's the single most glaring individual weakness.

I'm just looking at from a perspective to fix it long term rather than try and slap a band aid on it for this season or even next.

The goalies you mentioned are nice, but does it make the Flyers "next level" good?

- Pelle31Forever


That's all good and dandy to say, but the Flyers can't just point at any goalie they want and say I will take you. It's easy for a fan to say "It would be nice to have [fill in goalie name]", but the team that has that player, why would they want to get rid of them? Who are these goalies that are so easily attainable?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 9 @ 1:40 PM ET
I'm sure this was mentioned previously, but, DALE FREAKING WEISE!!! Holy sh!t, Good for him. He's playing well and has earned it.
- cdearth23


Not gonna lie - I jumped out of my chair when he scored. I was very happy for him.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:40 PM ET
Completely agree about goalie being the most important position. And it's the single most glaring individual weakness.

I'm just looking at from a perspective to fix it long term rather than try and slap a band aid on it for this season or even next.

The goalies you mentioned are nice, but does it make the Flyers "next level" good?

- Pelle31Forever


Probably not, but it gives them a chance to do some damage. I don’t think you can seriously expect to make any noise rolling with guys like Elliot or Pickard. The Flyers give up some high danger looks but also bleed soft goals far too often.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
damn it. I never get this right. I need a chart to determine W vs. FW....
- FlyerFan16


It's like art...you'll know it when you see it
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
That's all good and dandy to say, but the Flyers can't just point at any goalie they want and say I will take you. It's easy for a fan to say "It would be nice to have
- Glak18[fill in goalie name]", but the team that has that player, why would they want to get rid of them? Who are these goalies that are so easily attainable?


The big question. As of right now, I can’t really see anyone. Unfortunate.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
Not gonna lie - I jumped out of my chair when he scored. I was very happy for him.
- Scoob


He looked so happy. Good for him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
Probably not, but it gives them a chance to do some damage. I don’t think you can seriously expect to make any noise rolling with guys like Elliot or Pickard. The Flyers give up some high danger looks but also bleed soft goals far too often.
- flyer_nutter


I'd bet if the play in front of the goaltenders would improve. Including coverage and puck management, that the soft goals would diminish.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:42 PM ET
I don’t really see many true upgrades available. You could roll the dice on a guy like Dell but is that really an upgrade?

This season is what it is, I think. Would like to see Lyon get some games. They know what they have in Pickard and Elliot.

- flyer_nutter


I just find it funny so many people have the "grass is always greener on the other side" approach. There is no guarantee that magical goalie upgrade will be any different than the results we are seeing now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:43 PM ET
I just find it funny so many people have the "grass is always greener on the side" approach. There is no guarantee that magical goalie upgrade will be any different than the results we are seeing now.
- Glak18


I don't see any of the goaltenders mentioned being difference makers. There are very few capable of doing that. That's why I'm against giving up any substantial assets to make a move there. If it can be done on the cheap, go for it.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 9 @ 1:44 PM ET
#fakepoints
- Scoob



I do like making shxt up
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
I just find it funny so many people have the "grass is always greener on the side" approach. There is no guarantee that magical goalie upgrade will be any different than the results we are seeing now.
- Glak18


That’s fair. I do think a goalie upgrade does the team a lot of good. Maybe more than any other single realistic acquisition.

There are very few if any NHL clubs that willingly swap out their starters, or tandem for what the Flyers have. That speaks volumes to me anyway.

I want to see an upgrade next year. The media narrative isn’t a lazy one imo.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
He looked so happy. Good for him.
- flyer_nutter


He did, with a little "frank you, HB" smirk mixed in. lol
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