Voynov was never that good.
- Blackstrom2

I don't want a guy that beats up women on my team. Gross.

is it more a combination of bad drafting and moving picks for rentals, or bad chemistry?


http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00007475.html

looking at the last 10 draft classes for the pens, not much contribution for the big club
- homiedclown

7 Roster players in the last 10 classes and a player that was a key component to getting Kessel.

DET is open for business.
- Feds91Stammer

You have my offer. Sprong and a 3rd for AA. If AA matches last year totals it jumps to a 2nd.

I don't want a guy that beats up women on my team. Gross.
- madmike71

sprong and something for jake mccabe and girgens

you get a second pair puck moving LD , young and on the cheap

girgens is a fringe 3rd liner with an edge to his game, also cheap

I don't want a guy that beats up women on my team. Gross.
- madmike71

That too. But all his off-ice issues aside, he really wasn't that great. He was okay. Rather middling, when you consider how good those Kings were.

GMJR is listening to offers on Sprong.

sprong and something for jake mccabe and girgens

you get a second pair puck moving LD , young and on the cheap

girgens is a fringe 3rd liner with an edge to his game, also cheap
- homiedclown

You have to give up more upside to get Sprong.

McCabe is not young...

GMJR is listening to offers on Sprong.
- Thorny87

Source?

DET is open for business.
- Feds91Stammer

Cholowski

Cholowski
- VeryModernMan

Larkin and Cholowski for Malkin and Kessel

I sure hope the Pens are "in" on Voynov. That's a no brainer major need without giving up assets.

I don't really mind them trading Sprong because they obviously aren't going to put him in a position to succeed. I just hope it's not for some aging grinder.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Let someone else give that guy a second chance. I'm not necessarily opposed to him finding redemption but I don't want to be the one that gives it to him.

Source?
- Rinosaur

It was a Mackey article from last night. Sprong's probably done here.

sprong and something for jake mccabe and girgens

you get a second pair puck moving LD , young and on the cheap

girgens is a fringe 3rd liner with an edge to his game, also cheap
- homiedclown

We don't need anymore LDs.

Source?
- Rinosaur

Mackey and Pensburg. The latter saying a trade for another disgruntled prospect may be on the table. ie Ho Sang. I don't see how trading a player Sully doesn't like for another one he's soon to despise helps. Ho Sang seems like the anti Sully

does any one like sprong + johnson for a pick cap dump trade a la sheary and hunwick here?

Larkin and Cholowski for Malkin and Kessel
- Feds91Stammer

Age-wise that would be a classic Holland-deal, but the {for us} sad truth is that Cholowksi is your core defender for many years to come.

I don't want a guy that beats up women on my team. Gross.
- madmike71

DeSmith is already on the team.

Agreed. He was a pretty meh 2nd pair guy and that was in his prime.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah but have you seen our defense?

I think we should trade for Derick Brassard. No supplemental discipline for Geno.....which is correct.

Age-wise that would be a classic Holland-deal, but the {for us} sad truth is that Cholowksi is your core defender for many years to come.
- VeryModernMan

Nah Hronek is.

Yeah but have you seen our defense?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

So you want another 3rd pair guy?

So you want another 3rd pair guy?
- Feds91Stammer

Who hasn't played in the NHL in 4 years.

Honest Jim had two important comments to dissect.

First, talking about this group being together too long. That to me signals pretty big shakeup. 87, 71, 58, 30 are always off the table, imo. Still very unlikely to trade Phil. More likely, maybe the glue guys that have been here for a few years... Hornqvist, Hagelin, Cullen, Maatta.

I wouldnt mind seeing any of them getting moved as long as we are getting back speed. I love Horny but I can see an argument where he's being paid a lot to be a bottom 6 guy PP specialist.

Second comment was about young guys who got their contracts and then 'settled in'. Rust is the only guy I think makes sense in that context.

So you want another 3rd pair guy?
- Feds91Stammer

He's right handed and better than Ruhwedel, so yes, sure. And that gives us the depth to trade Maatta.