Of the next half dozen upcoming games, I can see us beating the Kings.

Then after that, 3 in 4 nights on the road against Washington, Tampa, and Florida in that order.
Yikes!!

Playing 4 on 5 hockey for nearly 2 mins after the 5 min major.

https://youtu.be/Opzq-hxYgfE

General overall feeling on the day after reading some posts.

https://youtu.be/6e01nNA02vw

They are either killed by the starts and just can't find their footing, or they can't seal the game up after 40 mins of good play. Then it's collapse after collapse until the game we dominated just fell completely out of reach. Mostly the d, but the forwards have started adding to costly turnovers.
- I Am The Breadman

Last night was a glimpse of what the Hawks blueline could look like without Keith. I mean last night wasn't just about Keith being out obviously, but being outshot 41-15 I think speaks to his importance for puck possession.

You know what stat really jumps out to me...The Flames were tagged for 30 giveaways. Gaudreau 7 giveaways, Ryan had 5 and lots from their blueline. How did they give away the puck that much and we didn't bury them? It was an odd game last night.

Last night was a glimpse of what the Hawks blueline could look like without Keith. I mean last night wasn't just about Keith being out obviously, but being outshot 41-15 I think speaks to his importance for puck possession.

You know what stat really jumps out to me...The Flames were tagged for 30 giveaways. Gaudreau 7 giveaways, Ryan had 5 and lots from their blueline. How did they give away the puck that much and we didn't bury them? It was an odd game last night.
- breadbag

Joki became the number one d man. Not a lot of 19 year olds succeed in a quick and topsy turvy situation, and he did. Seabs also came to play too. Keith definitely adds a lot still.

I didn't know about the giveaways ... that's odd. We can't capitalize on other's mistakes, and it seems that's a big difference that separates us from other teams. Our defence, and being given opportunities to succeed, but only get a one and done, or just pass until we lose the puck.

Wow I didn’t realize that the IceHogs were down to five healthy Dmen.
- walleyeb1

I think the Hogs are down to 6 healthy D-men: Raddysh, Campbell, Carlsson, Hillman, Gilbert, and Tuulola unless one of them also got injured last night. Those 6 are still pretty good to field a competitive back line.

Dahlstrom got injured few games ago. Snuggerud last night in a horrible head incident against the dasher which also isn't good given his history of head trauma. Forsling is day to day it seems.

Who here has posted that Q is a genius? Even those of us who think he played an important part in winning three Cups and gaining two other Final Fours recognize his faults and question his ability to handle this flawed team in this changed league.

Since the Hawks began making the playoffs in 2009, there have been 6 (I think) coaches on 5 franchises who have won Cups in those 10 years. I guess there have been 100+ coaches in the league. If it were as easy as throwing talented players on the ice and letting them fend for themselves....

Tallon the great GM - perhaps he was the one who fell into a a pile of horsecrap and landed on a pony - he wound up with Toews at #3 overall and Kane at #1 - Hjalmarsson and Kruger were his other two picks to contribute to the Cups. He got Campbell because he was able to throw money at him - more money than other teams were willing to give up. Parrish, Beach, Aliu, Olson as other high picks as GM....

And what has he accomplished so far in Sunrise?

Lots of questions about whether or not Q and Stan can get the job done going forward - but please - let’s stop refusing to recognizing their past contributions.
- StLBravesFan

Good line to keep things in perspective. While I prefer that the Hawks find a new GM and coaching staff, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and say that Bowman, Q, and company have been junk for the past decade. They were critical at varying levels to the team's championship runs. So were the players as well but it's tough to say that the players are the only reason the Hawks dominated during that period.

Q’s biggest problem has always been his stubbornness. This stubborness, of course, manifests itself as bad decision-making. Can’t get out of his own way, can’t get out of his team’s way. This has been a problem for his entire time with the Hawks. Even in the years that Cups were won they were not won because of Q. During those years I still wished for Q not to micro-manage and for him to just let the players’ play.

Scotty Bowman has had tremendous influence on the Hawks make-up. His opinion became the Hawks’ opinion. He basically demanded that Denis Savard kneel and kiss his ring as a Hockey Coaching God. Savard, having dignity, refused. Savard didn’t see it coming and he was gone in an instant. Fired ironically by Dale Tallon, who also didn’t see it coming - and when Tallon was fired, who was hired? Scotty Bowman’s son, Stan Bowman, of course, based on nothing. Stan Bowman only got the job because of nepotism, as he had neither the smarts or experience of others within and outside the organization.

Q had accumulated lots of regular-season wins when he was hired. However, no Cups, no Final appearances - no play-off success at all. The Avalanche wanted him out, as the Blues had before, because of this. They were elite teams that ultimately under-achieved.

Q hit the motherlode with the Hawks. Young super-stars in Kane and Toews. Studs in Keith, Seabrook, Sharp, Hammer and others. This team was going to threaten no matter who was the Coach. Ultimately, the team won 3 Cups but should have won more. There were also soul crushing play-off exits - even First Round exits, when seeded first.

Q has been stubborn throughout. Question him as an Assistant Coach and you were fired. Q may not have attracted much criticism in Chicago but in Canada, which dissects hockey, he was criticized a lot. I remember a special comment by Doug MacLean of Sportsnet, saying something like “So Q’s big move is to play Keith and Seabrook together? Shouldn’t that have been happening all along.”

Savard when asked about his super-line of Toews flanked by Sharp and Kane said it was a “No-Brainer.” Added something like “They love playing together, have great chemistry and are highly productive.” Q, of course, refused to play them together. Then it became a refusal to play Kane and Toews together. The Keith/Seabrook tandem died years ago. In one play-offs the line of Shaw flanked by Kane and Saad was unstoppable - next year nothing. Surely, this special type of ego-tistical idiocy doesn’t exist today? Yeah it does. Q simply refuses to play DeBrincat with Kane. Of course the refusal to play Toews with Kane continues. How about this one? You take one of the greatest players in the world and you DON’T play him with Toews, Cat or Saad on the PP.

Q is surrounded by his buddies Ulf and Dineen. He apparently keeps his fingers in everything. The result? A PP that is so bad it is embarrassing to watch. Also a PK so passive and so bad it is surprising when a goal is not given up. Bad line combinations, bad D-Men combinations. The players just don’t seem to have the energy to push past the incompetence anymore. At least they don’t seem to right at this moment.

However, posters keep posting that Q is a Genius. Sorry - for all the above reasons and for killing a 7 minute penalty last night because Q couldn’t figure out to simply put a body in the Penalty Box he surely is not. A new voice has been needed for a long time.
- Z3Hawk

Totally agree I have been saying the same thing for the last couple of years.

This was a rough road trip for this team.

Whether this team just is what it is or there's something that can be salvaged this season... management is not going to wait around to see.

Something is going to change here soon.
- Justin Lowe

So who is management - Rocky and McD? There are many titles bouncing around in that front office.

I think the Hogs are down to 6 healthy D-men: Raddysh, Campbell, Carlsson, Hillman, Gilbert, and Tuulola unless one of them also got injured last night. Those 6 are still pretty good to field a competitive back line.

Dahlstrom got injured few games ago. Snuggerud last night in a horrible head incident against the dasher which also isn't good given his history of head trauma. Forsling is day to day it seems.
- AEL_Fox

Andrew Campbell (lower) also out after last night’s IceHogs 2-1 shootout loss.Colliton indicated he did not expect injured Rockford players back in Des Moines.

So who is management - Rocky and McD? There are many titles bouncing around in that front office.
- RickJ

Andrew Campbell (lower) also out after last night’s IceHogs 2-1 shootout loss.Colliton indicated he did not expect injured Rockford players back in Des Moines.
- walleyeb1

Thanks for the update on Campbell. While his veteran presence is nice for the young Hogs, his loss isn't the worst thing as it allows a youngster to play.

While I don't see N. Manning or McCardle as NHL material, they can at least eat some minutes until Forsling and Dahlstrom are ready to return soon. I'd think Snuggerud is out for a while.

This was a rough road trip for this team.

Whether this team just is what it is or there's something that can be salvaged this season... management is not going to wait around to see.

Something is going to change here soon.
- Justin Lowe[/quote

Any insight to what changes would be? Fire gm or coach or more on changing the players?

I love Q, but if country club atmosphere has set in with him and players, that 5 percent in less intensity will envelop every facet of the game in this league. We miss Hossa and Buff in the day but that 5 percent factor might never be reclaimed. Like a lot of dudes here, trade some marketable pieces come deadline, go for high lotto pick. In new NHL, it don't take long to be a contender again look at NJ and Col. And why is Pitts doing so good with that defence.

Q’s biggest problem has always been his stubbornness. This stubborness, of course, manifests itself as bad decision-making. Can’t get out of his own way, can’t get out of his team’s way. This has been a problem for his entire time with the Hawks. Even in the years that Cups were won they were not won because of Q. During those years I still wished for Q not to micro-manage and for him to just let the players’ play.

Scotty Bowman has had tremendous influence on the Hawks make-up. His opinion became the Hawks’ opinion. He basically demanded that Denis Savard kneel and kiss his ring as a Hockey Coaching God. Savard, having dignity, refused. Savard didn’t see it coming and he was gone in an instant. Fired ironically by Dale Tallon, who also didn’t see it coming - and when Tallon was fired, who was hired? Scotty Bowman’s son, Stan Bowman, of course, based on nothing. Stan Bowman only got the job because of nepotism, as he had neither the smarts or experience of others within and outside the organization.

Q had accumulated lots of regular-season wins when he was hired. However, no Cups, no Final appearances - no play-off success at all. The Avalanche wanted him out, as the Blues had before, because of this. They were elite teams that ultimately under-achieved.

Q hit the motherlode with the Hawks. Young super-stars in Kane and Toews. Studs in Keith, Seabrook, Sharp, Hammer and others. This team was going to threaten no matter who was the Coach. Ultimately, the team won 3 Cups but should have won more. There were also soul crushing play-off exits - even First Round exits, when seeded first.

Q has been stubborn throughout. Question him as an Assistant Coach and you were fired. Q may not have attracted much criticism in Chicago but in Canada, which dissects hockey, he was criticized a lot. I remember a special comment by Doug MacLean of Sportsnet, saying something like “So Q’s big move is to play Keith and Seabrook together? Shouldn’t that have been happening all along.”

Savard when asked about his super-line of Toews flanked by Sharp and Kane said it was a “No-Brainer.” Added something like “They love playing together, have great chemistry and are highly productive.” Q, of course, refused to play them together. Then it became a refusal to play Kane and Toews together. The Keith/Seabrook tandem died years ago. In one play-offs the line of Shaw flanked by Kane and Saad was unstoppable - next year nothing. Surely, this special type of ego-tistical idiocy doesn’t exist today? Yeah it does. Q simply refuses to play DeBrincat with Kane. Of course the refusal to play Toews with Kane continues. How about this one? You take one of the greatest players in the world and you DON’T play him with Toews, Cat or Saad on the PP.

Q is surrounded by his buddies Ulf and Dineen. He apparently keeps his fingers in everything. The result? A PP that is so bad it is embarrassing to watch. Also a PK so passive and so bad it is surprising when a goal is not given up. Bad line combinations, bad D-Men combinations. The players just don’t seem to have the energy to push past the incompetence anymore. At least they don’t seem to right at this moment.

However, posters keep posting that Q is a Genius. Sorry - for all the above reasons and for killing a 7 minute penalty last night because Q couldn’t figure out to simply put a body in the Penalty Box he surely is not. A new voice has been needed for a long time.
- Z3Hawk

FANTASTIC SUMMARY. I couldn't AGREE more. The only thing you may have forgotten is the impact of MarIan Hossa as well. And Quenneville had NOTHING to do with his GREATNESS.

FANTASTIC SUMMARY. I couldn't AGREE more. The only thing you may have forgotten is the impact of MarIan Hossa as well. And Quenneville had NOTHING to do with his GREATNESS.
- Hawkytalk

ALL HAIL HOSSA, Demi-God of 200ft Hockey!!

Thanks
Bookmarked the site
- 67hawks

This was a rough road trip for this team.

Whether this team just is what it is or there's something that can be salvaged this season... management is not going to wait around to see.

Something is going to change here soon.
- Justin Lowe

Trade or firing?

If trade, can we trust Stan to do a move
if firing it's gotta be Q and who takes over, Dineen
Ulf, or Tony?

Yesterday with da wife, and grand kids restaurant. TSN on big screen Ottawa an Buffalo. Unlike hawks. Players with Buffalo were insatiable for puck in 20 foot perimeter of crease. You never see that with Hawks last few years, and those Buffalo players are not at all household names. That dismal powerplay is a symptom of something amiss. Two years now they start. 6 and 2. But you know it would NOT last

Sign of things to come?

Willie Desjardins named interim Head Coach of the LA Kings, John Stevens relieved of his coaching duties.https://lakin.gs/2SEhWAV

1:38 PM - Nov 4, 2018

This was a rough road trip for this team.

Whether this team just is what it is or there's something that can be salvaged this season... management is not going to wait around to see.

Something is going to change here soon.
- Justin Lowe

I won’t bother trying to guess what will change but I agree that something will change if this keeps up. It might not be a big move, but I expect something.

- recall Sikura?
- small trade?
- big trade?
- fire Q?
- fire Stan?

I missed it when is Keith's in person hearing?

I missed it when is Keith's in person hearing?
- riozzo

To hear the League apologize to him?

I won’t bother trying to guess what will change but I agree that something will change if this keeps up. It might not be a big move, but I expect something.

- recall Sikura?
- small trade?
- big trade?
- fire Q?
- fire Stan?
- DarthKane

I agree with a small trade, something NEEDS to be done, just something to spark all of the guys, if possible. But the problem is we are hurting in a lot of areas at the moment, in what seems like a placeholder season. If this losing trend continues, where it is comparable or worse than last season, then a bigger change is most likely to be expected.

I agree with a small trade, something NEEDS to be done, just something to spark all of the guys, if possible. But the problem is we are hurting in a lot of areas at the moment, in what seems like a placeholder season. If this losing trend continues, where it is comparable or worse than last season, then a bigger change is most likely to be expected.
- I Am The Breadman

What does a small do to the overall picture of that this team is not very good and has been put together even worse. So big change needs to happen whether that's a firing or big blockbuster trade time will only tell. IMO they will sit on there hands and wait but by the time they reach a decision it will be to late.

What does a small do to the overall picture of that this team is not very good and has been put together even worse. So big change needs to happen whether that's a firing or big blockbuster trade time will only tell. IMO they will sit on there hands and wait but by the time they reach a decision it will be to late.
- Scott1977

I think a small trade, something to help bottom 6 or even clean house on the d we have, even something for Forsberg could help improve. If this crap continues in a downward trend, then go for bigger changes. I don't have a crystal ball to say a small change or big change will work either, just generating discussion.