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lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Adding veteran blueliner Dan Girardi… that is a good move" - MiB, AB
Joined: 06.25.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
So because he have a difference of opinion, I'm a misogynist?
- Atomic Wedgie


No, it's because you inherently disapproved of the way that she chose to be a fan. It's because you attacked her in a way that you have not done in a way that you had not done for even folks like Garth or Tanner, who are demonstrably poor writers.
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Oct 11 @ 2:36 PM ET
Just being hypothetical here,

But if in fact the Leafs move Nylander to Carolina for a Dman, which Dman currently on the roster would be the best option to centre a package around? I don't think for a second that a guy like Faulk alone would be enough for Nylander, or any one Dman on the Canes for that matter. That being said, things like age and cap hit are factors. Faulk only has 2 years left on his deal and would want more than the 4.8 he makes now. He'd want a raise after a couple years to the 6-7 range and that might not be as feasible with new deals being handed out. There's also Dougie Hamilton only having 3 years left on his deal at a decent 5.75, and the recently signed De Haan at 4.5 for a full 4 years.

If we were to have a deal with them for a Dman, which one is best?
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Adding veteran blueliner Dan Girardi… that is a good move" - MiB, AB
Joined: 06.25.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:36 PM ET
That's why they keep me. I offer duplicitous stupidity.
- AdamFrench



lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Adding veteran blueliner Dan Girardi… that is a good move" - MiB, AB
Joined: 06.25.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
Just being hypothetical here,

But if in fact the Leafs move Nylander to Carolina for a Dman, which Dman currently on the roster would be the best option to centre a package around? I don't think for a second that a guy like Faulk alone would be enough for Nylander, or any one Dman on the Canes for that matter. That being said, things like age and cap hit are factors. Faulk only has 2 years left on his deal and would want more than the 4.8 he makes now. He'd want a raise after a couple years to the 6-7 range and that might not be as feasible with new deals being handed out. There's also Dougie Hamilton only having 3 years left on his deal at a decent 5.75, and the recently signed De Haan at 4.5 for a full 4 years.

If we were to have a deal with them for a Dman, which one is best?

- AngryWhiteMale


In terms of need, Pesce would check all the boxes. He's a rightie, he's a solid defensive guy who can skate, and he's tied up long term on a good deal. That said, we'd need back more, obviously. But Pesce would fill our biggest need...
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: listen very carefully to what Melnyk is saying. This is a controlled crash -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
He was three of the top five October goalies of all time.
- Atomic Wedgie


Luongo, Schneider and Lack were the greatest goalies the world has ever seen. Vancouver had them all.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
Everyone needs to see this

https://twitter.com/jnorr...tatus/1050398318000406528

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Just being hypothetical here,

But if in fact the Leafs move Nylander to Carolina for a Dman, which Dman currently on the roster would be the best option to centre a package around? I don't think for a second that a guy like Faulk alone would be enough for Nylander, or any one Dman on the Canes for that matter. That being said, things like age and cap hit are factors. Faulk only has 2 years left on his deal and would want more than the 4.8 he makes now. He'd want a raise after a couple years to the 6-7 range and that might not be as feasible with new deals being handed out. There's also Dougie Hamilton only having 3 years left on his deal at a decent 5.75, and the recently signed De Haan at 4.5 for a full 4 years.

If we were to have a deal with them for a Dman, which one is best?

- AngryWhiteMale

If not Dougie Hamilton, then Brett Pesce.. Young and on a good contract.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: listen very carefully to what Melnyk is saying. This is a controlled crash -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Tanner is not a bad writer, he just has really bad ideas and terrible opinions.


- PatC80


He is not a particularly good writer either.
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Oct 11 @ 2:44 PM ET
In terms of need, Pesce would check all the boxes. He's a rightie, he's a solid defensive guy who can skate, and he's tied up long term on a good deal. That said, we'd need back more, obviously. But Pesce would fill our biggest need...
- lumlums

Interdasting...

Don't know a whole lot about him. Definitely need a lot more back in return, but if this offense keeps up like it did tonight and all the other wingers continue to put up solid numbers it's honestly a foregone conclusion Nylander either sits out the year, signs for what Dubas wants or gets moved.

There's absolutely zero reason for Dubas to fold.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Adding veteran blueliner Dan Girardi… that is a good move" - MiB, AB
Joined: 06.25.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Interdasting...

Don't know a whole lot about him. Definitely need a lot more back in return, but if this offense keeps up like it did tonight and all the other wingers continue to put up solid numbers it's honestly a foregone conclusion Nylander either sits out the year, signs for what Dubas wants or gets moved.

There's absolutely zero reason for Dubas to fold.

- AngryWhiteMale


Agreed. It sucks because Nylander and Matthews are dynamite together, but in a hard cap world you have to get folks to put team above self. He's gonna get plenty of money regardless, but if he would take a little less than he wants, that could really contribute to a great team. I don't begrudge him for holding out, but there's still always the "what if?"...

(Personally, regardless of contract, I don't trade Nylander, unless it's for a guy like Jones. Which wouldn't happen.)
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Interdasting...

Don't know a whole lot about him. Definitely need a lot more back in return, but if this offense keeps up like it did tonight and all the other wingers continue to put up solid numbers it's honestly a foregone conclusion Nylander either sits out the year, signs for what Dubas wants or gets moved.

There's absolutely zero reason for Dubas to fold.

- AngryWhiteMale



Dude, Pesce would really check off every box.. I've been wanting him for a long time.
6'3, 200lbs, RHD, good skater, doesn't take stupid penalties and good puck mover.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: listen very carefully to what Melnyk is saying. This is a controlled crash -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 11 @ 2:48 PM ET
You realize that you had a choice to not comment, right? You had the opportunity to not criticize her even though you didn't find her blog "illuminating"?

You didn't.

You specifically used your voice to attack her.

Because she was not being a fan/writer in the way that you deemed acceptable.

*That* (double emphasis) is misogyny. She did not meet your preconceived opinion of how to hockey, so you attacked her for it.

- lumlums


Having no knowledge of the specific incident...

Did something specifically get said that suggested she had no ability to write *because* she was a woman? That is the only way that it qualifies as misogyny, under the idea of "prejudice".

That may or may not have been the case, I don't know. Unless it was explicit, I think we need to allow some leeway for communciation not being perfect over a written-only medium.

We also have to be careful if we are going to say "my marginalizing or making sexist comments about women is "just joking", but yours post is misogyny."
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
8-3 Laffs
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
Agreed. It sucks because Nylander and Matthews are dynamite together, but in a hard cap world you have to get folks to put team above self. He's gonna get plenty of money regardless, but if he would take a little less than he wants, that could really contribute to a great team. I don't begrudge him for holding out, but there's still always the "what if?"...

(Personally, regardless of contract, I don't trade Nylander, unless it's for a guy like Jones. Which wouldn't happen.)

- lumlums



I wouldn't do a Nylander for Pesce, 1 for 1 deal.. Carolina would need to add more.. I do like Zykov, he could be a good replacement for Marleau.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: listen very carefully to what Melnyk is saying. This is a controlled crash -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 11 @ 2:50 PM ET
Agreed. It sucks because Nylander and Matthews are dynamite together, but in a hard cap world you have to get folks to put team above self. He's gonna get plenty of money regardless, but if he would take a little less than he wants, that could really contribute to a great team. I don't begrudge him for holding out, but there's still always the "what if?"...

(Personally, regardless of contract, I don't trade Nylander, unless it's for a guy like Jones. Which wouldn't happen.)

- lumlums


I have been on the trade Nylander train for a while.

There is one very scary consideration though. What if they can't/don't sign Matthews and he gets offer-sheeted to some enormous amount we can't match. It would be nice to have Nylander in the fold and at least still have a good forward core.

No, I am not saying that IS going to happen, so hold your water.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 11 @ 2:50 PM ET
No, it's because you inherently disapproved of the way that she chose to be a fan. It's because you attacked her in a way that you have not done in a way that you had not done for even folks like Garth or Tanner, who are demonstrably poor writers.
- lumlums



He is being the big Internet bully. Very cool.
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON #permabanUG
Joined: 03.29.2018

Oct 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
We need to stop arguing about this and get back to the topic on hand - The Leafs kicking the Red Wing's ass.

That being said, I was a lurker for a long time before I created an account and remember what happened/what was said. I think both sides are wrong, I did at the time and I especially do now. Neither side is going to win - because that is impossible, so the best thing to do is drop it.

6 -2 Leafs, Matthews with a hat trick.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
He is being the big Internet bully. Very cool.
- bixll


bixy.... I've missed you man..
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
We need to stop arguing about this and get back to the topic on hand - The Leafs kicking the Red Wing's ass.

That being said, I was a lurker for a long time before I created an account and remember what happened/what was said. I think both sides are wrong, I did at the time and I especially do now. Neither side is going to win - because that is impossible, so the best thing to do is drop it.

6 -2 Leafs, Matthews with a hat trick.

- TrashPanda


Matthews hat trick.. I like it..

And stay out of my garbage...

Edit: Too sexist?
markmark
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.27.2010

Oct 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
Fake news!
- .HOHO.


Once they were found out for the fake bleach video, they quickly moved onto creating stories about refugees slaughtering goats in the lobby of a Toronto Radisson
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
bixy.... I've missed you man..
- PatC80


I see things are the exact same around here.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: listen very carefully to what Melnyk is saying. This is a controlled crash -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
I wouldn't do a Nylander for Pesce, 1 for 1 deal.. Carolina would need to add more.. I do like Zykov, he could be a good replacement for Marleau.
- PatC80


You would have a hard time getting Carolina to go 1-up. Keep in mind

1) Relatively speaking D-men are more valuable than wingers
2) Nylander has not proven much, especially away from Matthews
3) Nylander is a player that is holding out for abut 2 million more than he is worth. Many of us questioned how much we want a guy like Trouba on our team. I am questioning whether we want a guy willing to sit... for an amount not in line with the market.
4) In contrast, Pesce has a good contract
5) Every team in the league knows the Leafs have a real cap problem. Nobody is lining up to make a good "hockey trade".
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
I see things are the exact same around here.
- bixll


PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
I see things are the exact same around here.
- bixll


I really wish you had been around for the 2 months UG was telling us that we should get Erik Karlsson, you missed a lot of fun stuff.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 11 @ 2:55 PM ET
I really wish you had been around for the 2 months UG was telling us that we should get Erik Karlsson, you missed a lot of fun stuff.
- PatC80



Why bother wasting your breath talking to UG ?

He is like Wedgie, never change their mind anyway.
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