Yeah, #fancies not needed to confirm that lol
- Scoob

lol not really the intent...more so saying that "historically bad" level probably (hopefully lol) isn't sustainable

Apologies in advance for using fancy stats, but since I am not using them to scapegoat anyone in specific maybe they won't be cast off so quickly.



Obviously some sample size issues, but to say that doesn't match the eye test would be incorrect. They're giving up way too many good chances.
- YuenglingJagr

I would like to see a graph to confirm that this is, in fact, the truth.

I would like to see a graph to confirm that this is, in fact, the truth.
- ajw12

Sincere apologies...I forgot to attach. Here you go

Sincere apologies...I forgot to attach. Here you go


- YuenglingJagr

This is much appreciated. I now understand the correlation.

Recap of the last 2 pages : MJL disagrees

I disagree. That was a salary cap move and a mistake. Your analysis is incomplete. MacDonald was a better player then, during and still now than Manning ever was or will be
- MJL

this statement is BS

Recap of the last 2 pages : MJL disagrees
- Not_Yan

shocker!

None of those players can play center. Weal can.
- MJL

This is not accurate.

Apologies in advance for using fancy stats, but since I am not using them to scapegoat anyone in specific maybe they won't be cast off so quickly.



Obviously some sample size issues, but to say that doesn't match the eye test would be incorrect. They're giving up way too many good chances.
- YuenglingJagr

So how about instead of "expected" goals against, which discounts small factors like goaltending, we look at the actual goals against.

I don't think there would be much difference, and it's clear that their defense has been somewhere between below average and atrocious, but this whole "expected" thing is the one #fancy that i despise the most.

Recap of the last 2 pages : MJL disagrees
- Not_Yan

He's only disagreeing because it's clear to him that the coach and GM are always making all of the correct choices.

lol not really the intent...more so saying that "historically bad" level probably (hopefully lol) isn't sustainable
- YuenglingJagr

Flyers: hold my beer

So how about instead of "expected" goals against, which discounts small factors like goaltending, we look at the actual goals against.

I don't think there would be much difference, and it's clear that their defense has been somewhere between below average and atrocious, but this whole "expected" thing is the one #fancy that i despise the most.
- jmatchett383

I don't think it discounts goaltending. It puts it in perspective. It doesn't say there weren't saves they could've made, but the quality of the shots the goalies are facing are in general higher than usual. The Flyers aren't giving up tons of point shots and low quality shots, they are giving up good scoring chances because of terrible NZ and DZ play from the 5 guys in front of the goalies

Sincere apologies...I forgot to attach. Here you go


- YuenglingJagr

/prints out chart
//breaks out 64 box of crayolas with the sharpener in the back

/prints out chart
//breaks out 64 box of crayolas with the sharpener in the back
- johndewar

The Cadillac of Crayon boxes

A Mac is finished in this high skilled no hit no grab speed League. And he was never good to begin with.
- Landsbergfan

Dan McGillis post lockout cooked?

You're original assertion is still wrong, but I'm glad you got if off your chest.
- johndewar

You can have that opinion all you want but it's clear that the decision was mistake and that MacDonald is a better player than Manning.

I don't think it discounts goaltending. It puts it in perspective. It doesn't say there weren't saves they could've made, but the quality of the shots the goalies are facing are in general higher than usual. The Flyers aren't giving up tons of point shots and low quality shots, they are giving up good scoring chances because of terrible NZ and DZ play from the 5 guys in front of the goalies
- YuenglingJagr

It would have to improve to get to the terrible level.

That wasn't a deflection. Tkachuk definitely kicked it.
- johndewar

Yea he did but then another player hit it so it doesn't matter.

This may be controversial to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. Sorry if it offends some....











The Stanley Cup will be awarded this year at the end of the Stanley Cup Finals.



Not sure how many will agree. But it needed to be said.

This may be controversial to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. Sorry if it offends some....











The Stanley Cup will be awarded this year at the end of the Stanley Cup Finals.



Not sure how many will agree. But it needed to be said.
- hockeylover

No. Because there isn't more than one Stanley Cup Final.

This may be controversial to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. Sorry if it offends some....











The Stanley Cup will be awarded this year at the end of the Stanley Cup Finals.



Not sure how many will agree. But it needed to be said.
- hockeylover

FALSE NOT TRUE I GOT THE DOCUMENTS RIGHT HERE

They didn't even want McDonald as the #8, and the salary cap had nothing to do with it. If the salary cap was the reason, they would have promoted MacDonald when Streit got hurt in November or when Vinny and LSchenn were traded in January.
- Feanor

Street was not hurt in training camp. MacDonald came back up later in the season and helped the team down the stretch..It was clear that he should've never been sent down and he was better than players the Flyers kept instead such as Manning.

No. Because there isn't more than one Stanley Cup Final.
- mayorofangrytown

there's at least 4 games so finals works too ive decided

this conversation is over


all joking aside i do find it odd that the nba calls it the finals and the nhl goes with final

No. Because there isn't more than one Stanley Cup Final.
- mayorofangrytown

Damn you "S" in my original post.

there's at least 4 games so finals works too ive decided

this conversation is over


all joking aside i do find it odd that the nba calls it the finals and the nhl goes with final
- Crimsoninja

..and World Serieses