Peter Tessier: Jets drop Flames, 3rd line preview A quick review of the Jets vs Flames and looking at the possible third line for the Jets- same as it ever was?

I agreed with you last night on Twitter about Niku and Myers.

I have not been a Tanev fan in the past but he’s looked good in camp, I see your stats and they don’t surprise me, but the line obviously works, why mess with it? There is no evidence swapping out Tanev for someone else will have the same results as a trio.

Question, I have read multiple negative comments on twitter about Maurice and how dumb it was to send Connor down last year to start and how can he make the same mistake with Niku. Does anyone consider that Connor may have had the season he did because he was sent down to start the year? And that it was actually a brilliant move. It could also be the absolute right move for Niku’s development.

Some just complain to complain

I would have given Morrisey the exact deal Theodore just got. Wonder if it was never offered or was something very close turned down?

Its a ridiculous article. That two in a row Peter.

I've watched with my own eyes and seen Tanev as the driver of that line . He's always first in and first back and usually has the most puck possession. Creates lots of chances. Why would you ever put Dano there? There only positive I've seen from Dano is that he has good vision in the offensive zone to find open players. That's it. The rest of his game is very ordinary. I think his line was the victim on two Calgary goals the last one where if Dano has picked up his guy instead of gliding we wouldn't have needed overtime. He may get to start the season on the Jets as a reward for hard work in the summer but I highly doubt he will be here by mid-season. Too many better players than him in the system.

I would have given Morrisey the exact deal Theodore just got. Wonder if it was never offered or was something very close turned down?
- Ross77

I would have but the Jets were lowballing AFAIK and AAV was not in 5 range

Its a ridiculous article. That two in a row Peter.

I've watched with my own eyes and seen Tanev as the driver of that line . He's always first in and first back and usually has the most puck possession. Creates lots of chances. Why would you ever put Dano there? There only positive I've seen from Dano is that he has good vision in the offensive zone to find open players. That's it. The rest of his game is very ordinary. I think his line was the victim on two Calgary goals the last one where if Dano has picked up his guy instead of gliding we wouldn't have needed overtime. He may get to start the season on the Jets as a reward for hard work in the summer but I highly doubt he will be here by mid-season. Too many better players than him in the system.
- jetsnation

Tanev does not drive the bus, Copp and Lowry do. I'm not saying Tanev is invaluable but he's not as valuable to that lines success as the other two and by a significant margin. That line is not being separated, we know that because it works but knowing how and why it works means there are tweaks that could be made.

I would have but the Jets were lowballing AFAIK and AAV was not in 5 range
- Peter.Tessier

sad to hear

Tanev does not drive the bus, Copp and Lowry do. I'm not saying Tanev is invaluable but he's not as valuable to that lines success as the other two and by a significant margin. That line is not being separated, we know that because it works but knowing how and why it works means there are tweaks that could be made.
- Peter.Tessier

The stats only matter when he says they do

sad to hear
- Ross77

6x5.5 next time

Tanev does not drive the bus, Copp and Lowry do. I'm not saying Tanev is invaluable but he's not as valuable to that lines success as the other two and by a significant margin. That line is not being separated, we know that because it works but knowing how and why it works means there are tweaks that could be made.

Last night it was Tanev who was driving the pace of this line. Not saying he is a stronger player than Copp or Lowry just that he set the pace and made things happen last night. Tanev is still improving as a player (as are Copp&Lowry) - the line has not peaked yet. I agree they won't be separated anytime soon.

Roslovic, Ehlers and Lemieux were excellent last night and could be a legitimate 3rd line for this season. Roslovic was good even while adjusting to centre and will improve. Lemieux was everything a power forward/agitator needs to be. Ehlers looked good on the right side.

If that were the 3rd line that would likely mean Perreault/Little/Laine for the 2nd line - also solid.

Dano was good - however - I see Lemieux as at least as good an option and provides more options in the bottom 6. I think he has a job with the jets for 2018/19. One of Petan or Dano will be traded/waived, one in the press box, Vesalainen to Moose.

The play of Everberg and Mackenzie was good enough to provide enough confidence in the moose depth to move Petan or Dano.

*edit* add Griffith to the quality depth list

Its good to see Ehlers shoot more as long as he doesn't go overboard and stop making plays. I still hope to see Roslovic center Ehlers and Laine for a game so we can see what type of chemistry they have together as there is not much with Little as their center.

Roslovic, Ehlers and Lemieux were excellent last night and could be a legitimate 3rd line for this season. Roslovic was good even while adjusting to centre and will improve. Lemieux was everything a power forward/agitator needs to be. Ehlers looked good on the right side.

If that were the 3rd line that would likely mean Perreault/Little/Laine for the 2nd line - also solid.
- 2.0

Lemieux made himself look great while constantly being in the wrong place. He has the skating and the skill, but he’s either lazy or doesn’t know where he wants to be

With all the competition going on at camp and the exhibition games. The player that stands out at penalty killing will make the team. IMHO

Dano was good - however - I see Lemieux as at least as good an option and provides more options in the bottom 6. I think he has a job with the jets for 2018/19. One of Petan or Dano will be traded/waived, one in the press box, Vesalainen to Moose.

The play of Everberg and Mackenzie was good enough to provide enough confidence in the moose depth to move Petan or Dano.
- 2.0

I’m gonna love watching Petan run a PP unit with Dahlin and Eichel

Tanev brings the speed element to the Lowry line. If you take him off the line, you would need to replace his speed. Dano isn't the answer.

Ehlers is a more natural right winger than left winger.

Still a ridiculous article. Flawed stats as well. How can the line be 60.43 when none of the individual members are above 57%. It takes three to tango , one with speed and finesse (Tanev) , one with brawn ( Lowry), and one with defensive responsibility (Copp). They are a perfect match. Dano has none fo those qualities...slow, lousy board work, poor defensive play. Very bad match.

Aso who were the linemates when you did the isolations. For example was Copp and Lowry with Perreault ( sometimes Little) while Tanev was with Hendricks and Matthais. The answer is mostly yes. So it's a flawed comparison. Who were the defenders on the ice during those times. Chariot is quite different than say Morrissey. Who were they up against on the other team. So many variables to make the stats virtually worthless.

Once again its just proof how Corsi can be such a bogus stat. The eye test and intangibles are so much better. When the coaches look at the video reviews they see it all and the players who are doing their jobs get played. They most certainly don't base their decisions on the type of Corsi stats you like to present.

Peter wrote:

" As a line at 5 vs 5 they looked like this:

CF: 60.43%
Shots For: 63.20%
Goals For: 66.67%
Scoring Chance For: 64.04%
High Danger SCF: 69.23%
Shooting: 8.86%
Save%: .923

This is not something anyone saw coming but when they are on the ice they are something to watch as it's almost magical but could it get better?

Here's what the players are like when with and without each other at 5 vs 5.

Lowry and Copp CF% 57.22%
Lowry and Tanev CF% 47.57%
Copp and Tanev CF% 46.13%
Lowry w/o Copp & Tanev CF%: 55.12%
Copp w/o Lowry & Tanev CF% : 50.53%
Tanev w/o Coop & Lowry CF%: 35.56%"

Tanev brings the speed element to the Lowry line. If you take him off the line, you would need to replace his speed. Dano isn't the answer.

Ehlers is a more natural right winger than left winger.
- bennythehat

It's stating the obvious...but yes .

The article that should have been written is 60% + Corsi and why these three should NEVER be broken up. Cannabis sales must have started early in Manitoba.

Still a ridiculous article. Flawed stats as well. How can the line be 60.43 when none of the individual members are above 57%. It takes three to tango , one with speed and finesse (Tanev) , one with brawn ( Lowry), and one with defensive responsibility (Copp). They are a perfect match. Dano has none fo those qualities...slow, lousy board work, poor defensive play. Very bad match.

Aso who were the linemates when you did the isolations. For example was Copp and Lowry with Perreault ( sometimes Little) while Tanev was with Hendricks and Matthais. The answer is mostly yes. So it's a flawed comparison. Who were the defenders on the ice during those times. Chariot is quite different than say Morrissey. Who were they up against on the other team. So many variables to make the stats virtually worthless.

Once again its just proof how Corsi can be such a bogus stat. The eye test and intangibles are so much better. When the coaches look at the video reviews they see it all and the players who are doing their jobs get played. They most certainly don't base their decisions on the type of Corsi stats you like to present.

Peter wrote:

" As a line at 5 vs 5 they looked like this:

CF: 60.43%
Shots For: 63.20%
Goals For: 66.67%
Scoring Chance For: 64.04%
High Danger SCF: 69.23%
Shooting: 8.86%
Save%: .923

This is not something anyone saw coming but when they are on the ice they are something to watch as it's almost magical but could it get better?

Here's what the players are like when with and without each other at 5 vs 5.

Lowry and Copp CF% 57.22%
Lowry and Tanev CF% 47.57%
Copp and Tanev CF% 46.13%
Lowry w/o Copp & Tanev CF%: 55.12%
Copp w/o Lowry & Tanev CF% : 50.53%
Tanev w/o Coop & Lowry CF%: 35.56%"
- jetsnation

Dano literally does everything Tanev does, but better. Tanev skates like lightning, but he hits like a cloud, and tends to lose battles other don’t.

It’s also fairly telling that Lowry and Copp are steady in their own, but better together, while Tanev goes from good with them, to Tanner Glass levels of ineptitude anywhere else in the lineup

The stats only matter when he says they do
- Rexypoo

I don't think you need a whole measure of stats on Tanev vs Lowry and Copp but that's me.

Dano literally does everything Tanev does, but better. Tanev skates like lightning, but he hits like a cloud, and tends to lose battles other don’t.

It’s also fairly telling that Lowry and Copp are steady in their own, but better together, while Tanev goes from good with them, to Tanner Glass levels of ineptitude anywhere else in the lineup
- Rexypoo

Again, they are a top ten line together, possessions wise, do you honestly believe Dano will it make it better? I don’t see that happening, the same maybe?? Stop making this Dano vrs Tanev. It’s a line and it works. Let it go.

Further more, you are the biggest advocate for advanced stats in here, this line is top ten in the nhl in exactly what you preach. Do you see the hypocrisy of you wanting to split it up?

Again, they are a top ten line together, possessions wise, do you honestly believe Dano will it make it better? I don’t see that happening, the same maybe?? Stop making this Dano vrs Tanev. It’s a line and it works. Let it go.

Further more, you are the biggest advocate for advanced stats in here, this line is top ten in the nhl in exactly what you preach. Do you see the hypocrisy of you wanting to split it up?
- Ross77

It's clearly just a hit piece intended to provoke. No one in their right mind would ever suggest tampering with that line. Peter is quickly sinking into the abyss with his last two articles.

JetsNation

First I'm not doing a hit job on Tanev I actually praise the line for what it does but also show where the weak link is. For whatever reason he works with them and there's not a doubt Maurice will change it. All I'm asking is could it be better by replacing Tanev?


Unfortunately the website that listed all those times with multiple players is no longer available. But I will give you this...

Copp played 82 games for 938 5 vs 5 minutes when on the ice he was 53.55% CF

Lowry played 45 games for 533 5 vs5 minutes when on the ice he was 57.64% CF

Tanev played 61 games for 640 5 vs 5 minutes when on the ice he was 51.24% CF

There's a drop but he's still positive.

So I did some harder looking and will show you this:

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JetsNation

First I'm not doing a hit job on Tanev I actually praise the line for what it does but also show where the weak link is. For whatever reason he works with them and there's not a doubt Maurice will change it. All I'm asking is could it be better by replacing Tanev?


Unfortunately the website that listed all those times with multiple players is no longer available. But I will give you this...

Copp played 82 games for 938 5 vs 5 minutes when on the ice he was 53.55% CF

Lowry played 45 games for 533 5 vs5 minutes when on the ice he was 57.64% CF

Tanev played 61 games for 640 5 vs 5 minutes when on the ice he was 51.24% CF

There's a drop but he's still positive.

So I did some harder looking and will show you this:

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All I anyone should care about is that Lowry and Copp both play better with Tanev than without. Therefore Tanev appears to drive that line and the eye test confirms it.. Tanev also plays better with Lowry and Copp. Perfect match. Crazy to break that up. The line is magic together. The fans should be applauding them as they come off the ice after almost every shift.