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Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 11:32 AM ET
Trevor Shackles: Silliness in Hockey: Dumb Phrases and Characteristics of the NHL Things about the NHL that bug me
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 20 @ 11:35 AM ET
Trevor, please tell us all the technical aspects of how you will determine if a cylindrically-shaped piece of frozen, cast vulcanized rubber being struck with impacts like a Zdeno Chara spapshot completely crosses a horizontal line covered in a layer of ice and slush.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 20 @ 11:38 AM ET
I’ve literally never heard an analyst or coach describe a player as an “east/west” guy, and how could you be that kind of player anyway?


Tyler Ennis. And it got really old after a while. Zig zagging across the ice through the neutral zone. Constantly put people offside
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 20 @ 11:41 AM ET
“He’s good in the room”

It’s usually people from teams who say this, but analysts say it as well. The only time this is referenced is when they are talking about a player who isn’t skilled enough to describe what he does well on the ice.

- Trevor Shackles


Yes, guys like Chris Pronger, Mark Messier, Jonathan Toews, and Jean Beliveau were, at best, AHL tweeners.
Roadhockey
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2017

Aug 20 @ 11:43 AM ET
Great points. McDavid should have won the MVP. He's on the GM, so you can't blame him if they don't make the playoffs. He certainly did all he could do.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Aug 20 @ 11:44 AM ET
I've never interpreted North/South as good in both offensive and defensive zones (always heard it called 2-way when someone wants to make that point).

For me its always been that the player is simple. No creativity, goes straight down their lane, straight for the hit, straight to net, etc. almost like a compliment to the meatheads that play
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 11:46 AM ET
I’ve heard tons of analysts use north/south Vs. east/west. Specifically with Evgeni Malkin.

My take is that north/south are guys who just go from d zone to o zone without dangling around through the neutral zone or when they enter the zone while east/west guys zig zag and dangle around to try and open up space.
nyislsbossy
Joined: 05.31.2016

Aug 20 @ 12:36 PM ET
as far as the "offer sheet" never being used......i think the price is too steep if you get to sign a player. if its just 1 first round pick that you would have to give up, i think you would see it used more.
xDucksWithGunsx
Season Ticket Holder
Anaheim Ducks
Joined: 10.02.2016

Aug 20 @ 12:39 PM ET
No goal-line technology
Where do you put this technology? If camera is focusing down from the crossbar or from the post then goalie/player equipment may obscure a definitive view...if under the ice the accumulation of snow will have the same effect. Place a censor in the puck and goal line...way to expensive.

“He plays a north/south game”
North/South = player who takes a linear route when moving the puck up ice.
East/West = player who utilizes the entire sheet of ice

The shootout
agreed, remove the shootout. 10 min of 3 vs 3 will generate a goal. reward a penalty shot (allowed to be taken by any player on the ice) for any infractions.

“Upper/lower body injury”
This is more for player safety. If opponents know a players exact injury...where do you think that injured player will be targeted.

Having the same bad analysts on panels that nobody likes
heres looking at you pierre
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 1:01 PM ET
I’ve heard tons of analysts use north/south Vs. east/west. Specifically with Evgeni Malkin.

My take is that north/south are guys who just go from d zone to o zone without dangling around through the neutral zone or when they enter the zone while east/west guys zig zag and dangle around to try and open up space.

- j.boyd919

Horizontal hockey is bad.

Like this blogger.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Aug 20 @ 2:01 PM ET
I hate the term sweeps.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Aug 20 @ 7:04 PM ET
And Eklund did it to me again
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 7:27 PM ET
Yes, guys like Chris Pronger, Mark Messier, Jonathan Toews, and Jean Beliveau were, at best, AHL tweeners.
- jmatchett383


When that's the *only* good thing they can say. Those guys don't apply.
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 7:29 PM ET
Trevor, please tell us all the technical aspects of how you will determine if a cylindrically-shaped piece of frozen, cast vulcanized rubber being struck with impacts like a Zdeno Chara spapshot completely crosses a horizontal line covered in a layer of ice and slush.
- jmatchett383


So much of what you said here is irrelevant. It's pretty easy to put a tiny chip into a puck and have the technology on the goal line. Like I said, tennis balls go even faster yet they're able to be extremely precise.
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 7:30 PM ET
as far as the "offer sheet" never being used......i think the price is too steep if you get to sign a player. if its just 1 first round pick that you would have to give up, i think you would see it used more.
- nyislsbossy


A 1st/2nd/3rd for a first line player in his mid-20's is nothing.
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 7:32 PM ET
No goal-line technology
Where do you put this technology? If camera is focusing down from the crossbar or from the post then goalie/player equipment may obscure a definitive view...if under the ice the accumulation of snow will have the same effect. Place a censor in the puck and goal line...way to expensive.

“He plays a north/south game”
North/South = player who takes a linear route when moving the puck up ice.
East/West = player who utilizes the entire sheet of ice

The shootout
agreed, remove the shootout. 10 min of 3 vs 3 will generate a goal. reward a penalty shot (allowed to be taken by any player on the ice) for any infractions.

“Upper/lower body injury”
This is more for player safety. If opponents know a players exact injury...where do you think that injured player will be targeted.

Having the same bad analysts on panels that nobody likes
heres looking at you pierre

- xDucksWithGunsx


Not sure how you know whether goal line technology would be too expensive or not...Like I said, it's in soccer and tennis. It just has to be a sensor on the line and I would assume a chip in the puck. The league has lots of money to implement this.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 20 @ 8:36 PM ET
So much of what you said here is irrelevant. It's pretty easy to put a tiny chip into a puck and have the technology on the goal line. Like I said, tennis balls go even faster yet they're able to be extremely precise.
- Trevor Shackles


Tennis Balls have a landing point, Pucks often can be airborne when they cross

The Tennis ball does not contain a "chip", High Res Cameras are focused on the lines and pick up the ball upon impact - This would not work in hockey for the reason above

I hate hearing this comparison. Apples and Fire Trucks
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 20 @ 8:39 PM ET
A 1st/2nd/3rd for a first line player in his mid-20's is nothing.
- Trevor Shackles


Those offers get easily matched and you've pissed off a rival GM for no reason. It's not so much the salary you've dictated on the fellow GM, but the term in your offer sheet

Paybacks are hell, and they don't do it because they don't want the payback coming their way
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Aug 20 @ 9:04 PM ET
Let’s see. Stats are for nerds, need guys who are good in the room, celebrate like you’ve scored a (frank)ing goal before.
quinneroma
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.26.2015

Aug 20 @ 9:50 PM ET
"That goalie played great but he got no run support." Don't really like baseball too much, and hate a baseball reference being used in hockey. Goal support or offensive support would be great guys.

The offside rule regarding the skate blade on the ice or in the air, and the resulting 5 minute delay in the game to determine it.

The contracts being guaranteed for all of the contract - should be like the NFL.

The Dallas Stars goal chant/song. Terrible/annoying.

2 points for an OT win/shootout equal to a regulation win. 3 points for a regulation win. 2 points for an OT/Shootout win. O points if you lose, or maybe one point for a shootout loss.




Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 10:27 PM ET
Tennis Balls have a landing point, Pucks often can be airborne when they cross

The Tennis ball does not contain a "chip", High Res Cameras are focused on the lines and pick up the ball upon impact - This would not work in hockey for the reason above

I hate hearing this comparison. Apples and Fire Trucks

- RoloTahmasee


Then how come soccer, which is an even older sport, was able to figure it out? That's a perfect comparison
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Aug 20 @ 10:27 PM ET
visor rule and instigator. And extra penalty for removing your helmet before a fight.
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

Aug 20 @ 10:28 PM ET
Those offers get easily matched and you've pissed off a rival GM for no reason. It's not so much the salary you've dictated on the fellow GM, but the term in your offer sheet

Paybacks are hell, and they don't do it because they don't want the payback coming their way

- RoloTahmasee


But you can do it strategically. The Sharks were marvellous by offer sheeting Hjalmarsson just so that the Hawks couldn't afford Niemi. It has to put the other team in a tough spot financially, you shouldn't just do it willy nilly.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 21 @ 7:46 AM ET
This is one of the dumbest blogs I have ever read.....

1) Hockey is completely different. You are talking about a space that is covered by a crossbar and has a body that goes underneath it , not to mention you are searching for a small puck. No Goal Tech isnt as easy as the other sports. You cant see through the crossbar, you cant see through the goalie. What we have is the best you can get without having to put a camera in the crossbar which is not very practical, especially when you have 100mph shot hiting that crossbar.

2) North South game is a pretty simple term. It means they hustle back to help on D and hustle on offense. There is no east or West because it isnt applicable.

Dont care about 3-5.

Never heard #6 but Hockey cant be explained purely by stats. You cant build a team and win using only stats. Anyone who plays Fantasy Hockey should understand this.

Im going to ignore everything else cuz im low on time but Upper body and Lower body is there to protect the player. If players know where you are or were hurt, they target it. A good example was Flyers and Rangers last playoff matchup. Flyers knew McDonaugh had a shoulder injury, so they targeted him and made sure to hit him with a check on that side to cause him to make mistakes. Flyers lost the series but it was an effective tactic.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
Then how come soccer, which is an even older sport, was able to figure it out? That's a perfect comparison
- Trevor Shackles


Bigger ball that travels with less speed, with little to no traffic on the goal line
(rare a player will ever break the plane of the line)

Hockey, leg pads, sticks, the body of the goalie, arms, gloves.....

The calls that are debatable usually have a plethora of that going on in the crease at that time

Do you need me to go on?
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