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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 10 @ 7:38 PM ET
“Pay him. Pay dat man his money”
- dadeadhead

no, let him walk, sign with the nucks and get 80 points on their top line
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 10 @ 7:43 PM ET
no, let him walk, sign with the nucks and get 80 points on their top line
- homiedclown




Pay the man and be done with it.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 7:47 PM ET
Boss loves his new asinine contract.
- Wetbandit1



Wilson's contract validated many dumb arguments with know it alls on here.

Now the caps gm is stupid

He got paid, like I said he would

And wait until Sam's contract for around the same amount of money

Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 7:51 PM ET
no, let him walk, sign with the nucks and get 80 points on their top line
- homiedclown


Pretty sure, no one said to let him walk for nothing.

That's ridiculous.

Dont you run a business? Why would you "just pay the man" when you could negotiate?

Especially when an employee was night and day?

80 points is even funnier 😁👌
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:56 PM ET
Wait... is this a real thing? If so that is amazing.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo


My partners and I own income properties. Some of them we rent to college kids. I give them plenty of room but i don’t take poop from parents.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 10 @ 8:05 PM ET

Dont you run a business?

- Boss34

I always sell for market value, never give out deals


pretty sure his agent is thinking the same, sign for market value

again it's not 2012 so you guys need to think in terms of current deals when determining market value
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 10 @ 8:17 PM ET
My partners and I own income properties. Some of them we rent to college kids. I give them plenty of room but i don’t take poop from parents.
- Der Kaiser


I may buy a 3-unit house in which I currently rent. Should I do it?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 10 @ 8:21 PM ET
I may buy a 3-unit house in which I currently rent. Should I do it?
- jcragcrumple




HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:22 PM ET
I think he's better at the moment, yes.

Edit: Gaudreau is better at the moment. He's awesome.

Double Edit: After this year I hope Eichel stays healthy and blows past him, but so far, it's Gaudreau.

- Wetbandit1


It does make sense tho, that 80 points is harder to come by for a winger than a Center, especially when you count those cheesy 2nd assists . I wasn’t trolling, just thought it sounded like a Hater comment and wanted you to clarify.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Aug 10 @ 8:27 PM ET
Wilson's contract validated many dumb arguments with know it alls on here.

Now the caps gm is stupid

He got paid, like I said he would

And wait until Sam's contract for around the same amount of money

- Boss34


Yeah, but you say it has to be good because the Caps GM is good when he has a track record of awful deals himself. There are a lot of bad contracts in the NHL. Every GM has handed out a bad deal, made a bad trade, it happens, they're only human.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sam signed for what Wilson got, but the point is people were saying Sam wouldn't get anywhere near that before other guys started to sign. Now that all these deals have been signed the tune is changing, that's all. Sam is a very good player, we're 4 years post-draft, who cares where he was drafted? He's averaged 22 goals a year and increased his point totals every year. He also wasn't drafted for his physicality. So saying he's not physical as a way to somehow take away from his contributions is ludicrous. He should be paid commensurate to his ability, not to his perceived lack of something he never was or will be, neither should he be paid less than his contributions because he's "not living up to his draft status".
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:30 PM ET
I may buy a 3-unit house in which I currently rent. Should I do it?
- jcragcrumple


I can’t tell you without knowing about the condition of the structure and the electrical/mechanicals. If they need more than routine maintenance it gets complicated.

Otherwise Assume one month vacant each year in the other two units. So you only get 11 out of 12 monthly rents. Does that revenue cover the annual principal + interest (for the mortgage) taxes and insurance on the house? You can’t think of your unit as being free rent because you’re working as the landlord to maintain and administer the property. Think about a credit union for the mortgage they have great rates and are very easy to work with.

If the building has “deferred maintenance” (needs work) it makes the financials very complicated and I wouldn’t recommend it for a first timer.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:35 PM ET
Yeah, but you say it has to be good because the Caps GM is good when he has a track record of awful deals himself. There are a lot of bad contracts in the NHL. Every GM has handed out a bad deal, made a bad trade, it happens, they're only human.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sam signed for what Wilson got, but the point is people were saying Sam wouldn't get anywhere near that before other guys started to sign. Now that all these deals have been signed the tune is changing, that's all. Sam is a very good player, we're 4 years post-draft, who cares where he was drafted? He's averaged 22 goals a year and increased his point totals every year. He also wasn't drafted for his physicality. So saying he's not physical as a way to somehow take away from his contributions is ludicrous. He should be paid commensurate to his ability, not to his perceived lack of something he never was or will be, neither should he be paid less than his contributions because he's "not living up to his draft status".

- Wetbandit1


You might overstate the value of a dollar in today’s NHL too. For a young player in his mid 20’s who scores at a 2nd liners rate...$6million is average. Tom Wilson is way over paid, but if you can deliver over 60 points a year for parts of that deal it’s great value, 70+ it’s a bargain. Nobody in Edmonton complains about RNH’s 6 million, Taylor Hall is an absolute bargain ( He’ll make Tavares coin as a UFA) and Eberle will command over $6m next summer.

Chicago escalated salaries with those Bonehead contracts for Kane and Toews.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:35 PM ET
I always sell for market value, never give out deals


pretty sure his agent is thinking the same, sign for market value

again it's not 2012 so you guys need to think in terms of current deals when determining market value

- homiedclown



You could be right. Maybe Sabres are low balling

Any word on the hold up?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:36 PM ET
I may buy a 3-unit house in which I currently rent. Should I do it?
- jcragcrumple


Where?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:37 PM ET
Yeah, but you say it has to be good because the Caps GM is good when he has a track record of awful deals himself. There are a lot of bad contracts in the NHL. Every GM has handed out a bad deal, made a bad trade, it happens, they're only human.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sam signed for what Wilson got, but the point is people were saying Sam wouldn't get anywhere near that before other guys started to sign. Now that all these deals have been signed the tune is changing, that's all. Sam is a very good player, we're 4 years post-draft, who cares where he was drafted? He's averaged 22 goals a year and increased his point totals every year. He also wasn't drafted for his physicality. So saying he's not physical as a way to somehow take away from his contributions is ludicrous. He should be paid commensurate to his ability, not to his perceived lack of something he never was or will be, neither should he be paid less than his contributions because he's "not living up to his draft status".

- Wetbandit1



Well thought out post- I can respect that.

Just hockey is more then goals and assists.
Especially the nhl playoffs
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Aug 10 @ 8:38 PM ET
It does make sense tho, that 80 points is harder to come by for a winger than a Center, especially when you count those cheesy 2nd assists . I wasn’t trolling, just thought it sounded like a Hater comment and wanted you to clarify.
- HonkyTonkMan


It could be a combination of things, but look at the leaders in points, especially assists. The top 20 in the NHL in assists last year 9 were centers, 8 were wingers, and 3 were defensemen. If there are twice as many wingers it should stand to reason given an even distribution of points that there should be roughly twice as many wingers than centers. Now, you could make an argument that, generally, centers are better overall players than wingers with a few obvious exceptions in Ovechkin, Kessel, Benn, Gaudreau, Pat Kane, so centers get more points because they're generally better, but I still don't think that makes up for the fact that year after year, the top assist getters tend to be centers in numbers equal to, or in excess of wingers. I went back to 07-08 and the fewest number of centers in the top 20 was 9, and there are always a couple of defensemen in there, and the most was 12 for a lot of those years.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:41 PM ET
It could be a combination of things, but look at the leaders in points, especially assists. The top 20 in the NHL in assists last year 9 were centers, 8 were wingers, and 3 were defensemen. If there are twice as many wingers it should stand to reason given an even distribution of points that there should be roughly twice as many wingers than centers. Now, you could make an argument that, generally, centers are better overall players than wingers with a few obvious exceptions in Ovechkin, Kessel, Benn, Gaudreau, Pat Kane, so centers get more points because they're generally better, but I still don't think that makes up for the fact that year after year, the top assist getters tend to be centers in numbers equal to, or in excess of wingers. I went back to 07-08 and the fewest number of centers in the top 20 was 9, and there are always a couple of defensemen in there, and the most was 12 for a lot of those years.
- Wetbandit1


I think part of being a Center is brains and puck distribution, and it’s natural that the best young players withba mind for the game end up being put at Center . It’s very rare to see a multi dimensional Winger, not saying Ovie and Kane and Laine aren’t sick talents and atheletes.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:45 PM ET
My partners and I own income properties. Some of them we rent to college kids. I give them plenty of room but i don’t take poop from parents.
- Der Kaiser


Gotta love the long island moms , " my house is the most immaculate house on the street"

So was mine, until your adult son, Who you are paying the Bill's moved in.

With his cat
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 10 @ 8:45 PM ET

Any word on the hold up?

- Boss34

yeah recent contracts signed


suddenly the asking price from reinhart's agent is not out of line
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:46 PM ET
yeah recent contracts signed


suddenly the asking price from reinhart's agent is not out of line

- homiedclown



I would think the Larkin contract would negatively impact sam?

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 10 @ 8:49 PM ET
Where?
- Boss34


West side. Potomac at Richmond
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 10 @ 8:50 PM ET
I would think the Larkin contract would negatively impact sam?
- Boss34

let's just says botts was trying to buy low
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:51 PM ET
I would think the Larkin contract would negatively impact sam?
- Boss34


The bottle is winning.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 10 @ 8:52 PM ET
The bottle is winning.
- Der Kaiser

Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:53 PM ET

- homiedclown


I am retired from competition.
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