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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 4:43 PM ET
While Kruger is 4 (but ONLY 4) years older than Hinostroza, he’s a proven value in areas the Hawks need - he can win d-zone FOs, a PK specialist, a very good defensive center (all assuming he’s cured from whatever has ailed him the past couple of years - wrist?)

And signed for only one year at a decent cap hit. He won’t affect their ability to resign Schmaltz and AdB.

- StLBravesFan



I'm looking forward to having Kruger back, assuming he's healthy and the reason for his poor year last season was his health. I'm not expecting anything offensively from Kruger, but if he can be a sold 4C with an emphasis on the PK he'll be a great addition.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 4:47 PM ET
And maybe all of this (Schmaltz and AdB) is the reason for the lack of expensive FA movement by Stan.
- StLBravesFan



I think so, 100%. Both these guys should be locked up to long term (5+ years) deal. Teams need to lock up young talent when then can. Just look at the Jets, Scheifele for $6.125 and Ehlers for $6.0 are bargains. Sure it's a bit of a risk but one the Hawks need to take.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Aug 10 @ 4:57 PM ET
I think so, 100%. Both these guys should be locked up to long term (5+ years) deal. Teams need to lock up young talent when then can. Just look at the Jets, Scheifele for $6.125 and Ehlers for $6.0 are bargains. Sure it's a bit of a risk but one the Hawks need to take.
- DarthKane


Yeah, I think so too. I see a lot of speculating that Schmaltz was only able to create offense with Kane. He created playing with Toews and Panik too and if he develops a shoot first or shoot more mentality this year, you'll likely end up paying him more if you wait a year.

Then it will be fun to read all the posts about how Stan screwed up and waited to sign him.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Aug 10 @ 5:15 PM ET
Wow. Larkin gets 5x$6.1MM.

This helps guide a more reasonable evaluation of contract expectations for Schmaltz.

I would argue Schmaltz is not as complete a player as Larkin is, Larkin has no Kane on his wing, and Larkin has three years of NHL data to tell what he is all about, therefore, Schmaltz is worth less than Larkin.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 5:21 PM ET
Yeah, I think so too. I see a lot of speculating that Schmaltz was only able to create offense with Kane. He created playing with Toews and Panik too and if he develops a shoot first or shoot more mentality this year, you'll likely end up paying him more if you wait a year.

Then it will be fun to read all the posts about how Stan screwed up and waited to sign him.

- HawkintheD



It won't matter when Stan re-signs Schmaltz, the timing will be wrong regardless.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 5:23 PM ET
Wow. Larkin gets 5x$6.1MM.

This helps guide a more reasonable evaluation of contract expectations for Schmaltz.

I would argue Schmaltz is not as complete a player as Larkin is, Larkin has no Kane on his wing, and Larkin has three years of NHL data to tell what he is all about, therefore, Schmaltz is worth less than Larkin.

- Return of the Roar



That's the going rate apparently for a solid young forward. Dvorak just for $4.45 million and he hasn't done much over 2 seasons. He's been ok but the Yotes are clearly betting that he'll do more.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Aug 10 @ 5:33 PM ET
I posted something about this in the last blog:

Hawks willing to hit consistently:
Kunitz
Hayden
Martinsen
Murphy
Manning
Seabrook

Hawks willing to fight:
Hayden
Martinsen
Murphy
Manning
Seabrook

https://blackhawkup.com/2...mula-the-blackhawks-need/

Timely article today by Blackhawkup about needing to add more grit. Not the best written article but the main premise is understood.


Follow-up to that post:

Yeah, I was hesitant to put Seabrook on either list but relative to the rest of the team, he at least has a track record in those areas (albeit a declining track record).

- AEL_Fox


I think I chuckled because when I saw Seabrooks name in there, but since then I did hear that he has been working very hard with the trainer all summer and he’s totally re-committed. And I hope that he taps into Chris Chelios for some tips and pointers also. I don’t know about everybody else but I am happy that Chris is back and I hope the BLACKHAWKS utilize him in a motivational Capacity for some of these kids.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Aug 10 @ 5:34 PM ET
Wow. Larkin gets 5x$6.1MM.

This helps guide a more reasonable evaluation of contract expectations for Schmaltz.

I would argue Schmaltz is not as complete a player as Larkin is, Larkin has no Kane on his wing, and Larkin has three years of NHL data to tell what he is all about, therefore, Schmaltz is worth less than Larkin.

- Return of the Roar


Larkin and Nick Schmaltz are two different kind of players, I’ll give Larkin the money, but I will use Nick Schmaltz in a New York minute to trade for a defenseman like Jacob Trouba.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Aug 10 @ 5:46 PM ET
Larkin and Nick Schmaltz are two different kind of players, I’ll give Larkin the money, but I will use Nick Schmaltz in a New York minute to trade for a defenseman like Jacob Trouba.
- wonthecup10


YES
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 6:00 PM ET
Larkin and Nick Schmaltz are two different kind of players, I’ll give Larkin the money, but I will use Nick Schmaltz in a New York minute to trade for a defenseman like Jacob Trouba.
- wonthecup10



Trade Schmaltz for Lucic, the Hawks need a someone who can hit.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Aug 10 @ 6:23 PM ET
Trade Schmaltz for Lucic, the Hawks need a someone who can hit.
- DarthKane



Aaaaaaggggghhhhh........, maybe if Lucic was five years younger and about 25 pounds lighter, of course I’m not gonna trade Nick Schmaltz for that guy. But I don’t think a Jacob Trouba for Nick Schmaltz trade is that much out of the whelm
JPBurke27
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.26.2012

Aug 10 @ 6:30 PM ET
Padre that hit the tater to put the cap on the comeback. Looked like a 5 wood leaving the plate. Sox fans still chuckle, can't help it. I think I have his name right, but who cares. He (frank)ing smoked it.
- 6628


Ah, gotcha. The only one I vividly remember was Garvey's game 4 walkoff. Thank God they won in 2016. My heart wouldn't have been able to take another choke job like that.
Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Aug 10 @ 6:45 PM ET
Padre that hit the tater to put the cap on the comeback. Looked like a 5 wood leaving the plate. Sox fans still chuckle, can't help it. I think I have his name right, but who cares. He (frank)ing smoked it.
- 6628


Sox fans chuckle at Cubs fans for that choke, blaming Leon Durham for the choke after miss-playing that hit to first (and forgetting that offensively he was carrying that team in the post-season and only committed 7 euros all season- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugOdiF1y2E0 ) crying to the legend Bill Buckner- I remember it like yesterday- If Buckner was here we would be in the WS. Why do we laugh at this, because 2 years later (in the 86 WS) the great Billy Buck muffs a play at first while playing for the BoSox, adding to THEIR epic choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ujwjqIldwU) . Good stuff.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 7:02 PM ET
Aaaaaaggggghhhhh........, maybe if Lucic was five years younger and about 25 pounds lighter, of course I’m not gonna trade Nick Schmaltz for that guy. But I don’t think a Jacob Trouba for Nick Schmaltz trade is that much out of the whelm
- wonthecup10


Lucic is exactly what this team needs, a guy who can hit and fight. This team doesn’t need another smurf like Schmaltz, this kid will never be able to keep up physically to have a decent NHL career. What good are Schmaltz’s 50-60 points if the guy never wins a board battle or a face off.
grinder10
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Joined: 04.04.2009

Aug 10 @ 8:07 PM ET
I'm looking forward to having Kruger back, assuming he's healthy and the reason for his poor year last season was his health. I'm not expecting anything offensively from Kruger, but if he can be a sold 4C with an emphasis on the PK he'll be a great addition.
- DarthKane


Definitely agree Darth. Playing through a sports hernia would definitely degrade performance. I'm ready to see what Freddy can bring...
D2D
Joined: 05.27.2018

Aug 10 @ 8:08 PM ET
Dvorek had 15g/37pts in 78 games last season ... and he got a 6-year deal with $4.45M AAV. Mercy!

Schmaltz is the same age and he had 21g/52pts in 78 games last season. If Schmaltz scores even more than 52 points this coming season - we'll be lucky to get him re-signed for $6M.

- EbonyRaptor


And just think they were on the same youth hockey team, Chicago Mission! Christian went the CHL route of London Knights where he and Mitch Marner tore it up (btw Christian was all set to go to UW) while Schmaltzy went the USHL route of Green Bay Gamblers. So the moral of the story is there is NOT one set way to get to the Big Show if you are talented, dedicated, and disciplined.
D2D
Joined: 05.27.2018

Aug 10 @ 8:16 PM ET
I think so, 100%. Both these guys should be locked up to long term (5+ years) deal. Teams need to lock up young talent when then can. Just look at the Jets, Scheifele for $6.125 and Ehlers for $6.0 are bargains. Sure it's a bit of a risk but one the Hawks need to take.
- DarthKane


100% agreed at salaries for Scheifele and Ehlers are bargains; talk about comparables Schiefele is better than Schmaltzy and Ehlers is better than DCat (I will probably hear about this). I just go by optics and do no research because I am pretty sure DCat out-scored Ehlers.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Aug 10 @ 8:56 PM ET
Then why ship out Vinny for Kruger this year and not wait another year? What happened to "we need to become younger and faster" motto from a year ago, how does any move this year correlate with that.

On the other hand, do not think this FO has any logic or consistency from year 2013 onward, so I feel I will need multi year (8+ years) patience till all these contracts work out and team becomes competitive.

- vshun

No guarantees there is a taker for Hossa’s contract next year. Gotta make those kind of moves when you can.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Aug 10 @ 8:58 PM ET
Wow. Larkin gets 5x$6.1MM.

This helps guide a more reasonable evaluation of contract expectations for Schmaltz.

I would argue Schmaltz is not as complete a player as Larkin is, Larkin has no Kane on his wing, and Larkin has three years of NHL data to tell what he is all about, therefore, Schmaltz is worth less than Larkin.

- Return of the Roar

Again, any agent worth his pay is going to argue that Schmaltz playing with Kane shows 1) the confidence the org has in Schmaltz to play with their best players and 2) that Schmaltz can keep up with an elite winger.

The games played element is the main thing that would be totally relevant to Schmaltz not getting $6.1m, but he'd still firmly be in the $5.5m range. That's just fact based on other young players who had similar games played data. While I don't disagree that seeing more of Schmaltz before paying him is unreasonable, I also don't see why a $500-600k difference is such a hold up for some people. Paying a little early is typically how 'sweetheart' deals come about existing.

None of this really matters, Schmaltz is likely going to bank on himself and wait to sign next summer.
D2D
Joined: 05.27.2018

Aug 10 @ 10:18 PM ET
Lucic is exactly what this team needs, a guy who can hit and fight. This team doesn’t need another smurf like Schmaltz, this kid will never be able to keep up physically to have a decent NHL career. What good are Schmaltz’s 50-60 points if the guy never wins a board battle or a face off.
- DarthKane


Yeah if you want hitting or fighting behind the play because Lucic cannot get up and down like he did way back then with Boston. If you want that type of player why not Hayden. The heavy all around game has sailed and fast and skilled skating has anchored in. Don't get me wrong, there is still a place for fighting!
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Aug 10 @ 10:54 PM ET
Is anyone watching the US vs Canada on NHLN or TSN in the Hlinka tournament? Incredible game tied at 3 going into the 3rd. Blazing pace. 77 players drafted this yr played in the Hlinka. 287 NHL people in the house.

Link if you need it: http://onhockey.tv/
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Aug 10 @ 11:02 PM ET
Lucic is exactly what this team needs, a guy who can hit and fight. This team doesn’t need another smurf like Schmaltz, this kid will never be able to keep up physically to have a decent NHL career. What good are Schmaltz’s 50-60 points if the guy never wins a board battle or a face off.
- DarthKane


LBR will come along with stats to disprove this but the Hawks just don't value size. As an organIzation they are simply speed/skill neophytes. They realize how effective size can be as they showed how much they valued Panik for awhile but man look at what they draft that makes it to the bigs. The smallish guys.

Yes LBR will show they don't rank at the bottom in drafting size but how many of those help at the NHL level? Drafting will always be a crap shoot but taking a small Boqvist over a big solid skating Dobson they do over and over and over and over.

Not saying it's wrong just that it is.
bhawk1s
Joined: 06.27.2014

Aug 10 @ 11:16 PM ET
Interestingly enough, I understood you as soon as I read it.
- vabeachbear


me too
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 10 @ 11:22 PM ET
LBR will come along with stats to disprove this but the Hawks just don't value size. As an organIzation they are simply speed/skill neophytes. They realize how effective size can be as they showed how much they valued Panik for awhile but man look at what they draft that makes it to the bigs. The smallish guys.

Yes LBR will show they don't rank at the bottom in drafting size but how many of those help at the NHL level? Drafting will always be a crap shoot but taking a small Boqvist over a big solid skating Dobson they do over and over and over and over.

Not saying it's wrong just that it is.

- Mr Ricochet


Boqvist will be a bust, Rundblad 2.0. The last thing this team needs is another Euro-smurf. I bet the Hawks draft Cole Caufield next year. The Hawks should have drafted Dobson or Miller.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Aug 10 @ 11:28 PM ET
31 players went in the 1st rd last yr, 19 of them played in the Hlinka tournament that same yr!
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