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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 4:49 PM ET
Nylander should start in Rochacha and we don't have any other top6 lw prospects ready.

*hides again*

- RhinoFan


I agree
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Aug 2 @ 4:55 PM ET
My definition isn’t arbitrary,
the so called “accepted” one is

It’s not a “judgement call” to KNOW that Dahlin & Mittelstadt will be on our roster

Guys like Guhle, sure
If someone is a tweeter like that,
then i have no issue listing them as a prospect

U really gonna consider Dahlin a prospect in game 60 when he’s playing 20+ minutes a night

For me, that doesn’t make sense
You can’t be a “prospect” if you’re on the team!

- jdfitz77


I don't think you know what arbitrary means then.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 2 @ 5:07 PM ET
Maybe Botts will still be able to swing a deal for another LW and this will all be moot

My possible Rochester lines make me think they could be pretty sweet
Smith-O’Regan-Thompson
Olofsson-Asplund-Nylander
Oglevie-Malone-Pu
Vet line: Porter, Criscuolo, etc

- jdfitz77



JBotts needs to get rid of some NHL contracts...like 4 - 5 would be ideal.

I am hoping Larssons and Girgs are 2 of them.
I would love to see him find a way to get rid of Bogo, Pommer nor Okposo...those high priced/under performing guys, but I dont see that happening.
One of Bailey or Baptiste is included in a trade along with LhD, probably Scandella

Hopefully what The Clown and Sabres89 are hearing about a 4:1 trade is forthcoming and clears out say Bailey, Scandella and a couple of draft picks. Hell, throw in Larson with 50% salary retained.


jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:07 PM ET
I don't think you know what arbitrary means then.
- Lunaion


I do
Saying a roster player isn’t a prospect isn’t arbitrary

Saying that until game 65 he’s a prospect & then at game 66 he’s not...
that is arbitrary
*hockeysfuture.com definition

Do u consider roster players prospects?

I don’t see how you can call someone a “prospect” if they’re playing for us on a nightly basis
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:10 PM ET
I agree
- jdfitz77


Watch out, agreeing with me is a slippery slope. You'll be supporting the Wall soon. Stuff like that. Just kidding.

I see where you're coming from with the prospects stuff. I would like to see a ranking where they subtract players who are projected NHL players the following season as well. Might be best to have both, in order to truly understand strength of prospect pool.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:10 PM ET
I don't think you know what arbitrary means then.
- Lunaion


That's not very nice!
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:16 PM ET
JBotts needs to get rid of some NHL contracts...like 4 - 5 would be ideal.

I am hoping Larssons and Girgs are 2 of them.
I would love to see him find a way to get rid of Bogo, Pommer nor Okposo...those high priced/under performing guys, but I dont see that happening.
One of Bailey or Baptiste is included in a trade along with LhD, probably Scandella

Hopefully what The Clown and Sabres89 are hearing about a 4:1 trade is forthcoming and clears out say Bailey, Scandella and a couple of draft picks. Hell, throw in Larson with 50% salary retained.

- IonSabres


Nice post sir


Now if something like that happens,
then obviously I’ll drastically change my idea of what our opening night roster will look like

I think it’s reasonable that we could move out 2 of Larsson, Girgs & Sobatka
We only need one of them for 4C

Agree on Pommer & Okposo & Bogosian...
but at this point, i think we might be stuck with them for this season
Next year...
-Pommer is UFA, so he’s definitely gone
-Bogo will only have 1 yr left, so he should hopefully be movable
-hopefully Okposo bounces back, making him movable
*then we see 3 of the kids take their roster spots...
i just don’t think it’ll happen this offseason

I’m pretty much aboard the trade Scandella train too
Not bc i dislike him, but bc i think he’s got more trade value than McCabe, and i don’t see them both here long term (and i like McCabe)
Scandella + one of the kids for a top4 RH def... is even throw in a 1st if it’s for the right guy (Trouba?)
Get us a RH guy for Guhle to be paired with for years

*i still like Bailey, so I’d rather see a different kid moved, but i know that’s probably an unpopular opinion here
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:18 PM ET
Watch out, agreeing with me is a slippery slope. You'll be supporting the Wall soon. Stuff like that. Just kidding.

I see where you're coming from with the prospects stuff. I would like to see a ranking where they subtract players who are projected NHL players the following season as well. Might be best to have both, in order to truly understand strength of prospect pool.

- RhinoFan


Or just wait till mid-season to put it out

Then guys who are clearly roster players like Dahlin & Svechnikov aren’t being called “prospects”
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:18 PM ET
Goaltender Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen has committed to the Sudbury Wolves. Buffalo Sabres' second-round pick in 2017 NHL Entry Draft was Sudbury's third-overall choice in the CHL Import Draft at the end of June. Full story to come. #ohl
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 2 @ 5:19 PM ET
I do
Saying a roster player isn’t a prospect isn’t arbitrary

Saying that until game 65 he’s a prospect & then at game 66 he’s not...
that is arbitrary
*hockeysfuture.com definition

Do u consider roster players prospects?

I don’t see how you can call someone a “prospect” if they’re playing for us on a nightly basis

- jdfitz77

Are Dahlin and Mittelstadt on the roster? Source? I haven’t heard anyone from the Sabres announce anything yet. Until then, as in right now, as in when the article was written, they are both prospects. Penciling them in is arbitrary.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:20 PM ET
Or just wait till mid-season to put it out

Then guys who are clearly roster players like Dahlin & Svechnikov aren’t being called “prospects”

- jdfitz77


Wouldn't mind removing them at midterm, seeing as they will be NHL players by then.

Still need my fix over summer. I'm going a little squirrely here not playing OR watching hockey. One more month and I'm back on the ice, thank god.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 2 @ 5:21 PM ET
Or just wait till mid-season to put it out

Then guys who are clearly roster players like Dahlin & Svechnikov aren’t being called “prospects”

- jdfitz77

Did Carolina announce that Svechnikov is on the roster? Source?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:21 PM ET
Ok, so when does a young player on the roster stop being labeled a “prospect” then?

On what arbitrary game do they cross that threshold?
Game 40? Game 20?

Mittelstadt & Dahlin are roster players,
not “prospects”

- jdfitz77


Your answer begs its own question. When does a young player become “on the roster?”

This is why the best way to do define prospect is the day before the season opens. Not Aug 2. Or game 60.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:22 PM ET
Are Dahlin and Mittelstadt on the roster? Source? I haven’t heard anyone from the Sabres announce anything yet. Until then, as in right now, as in when the article was written, they are both prospects. Penciling them in is arbitrary.
- TheHank


I’d agree with that line of thinking for guys like Guhle...
do you really think there’s ANY chance that Dahlin & Mitts aren’t roster players this year?

Forget the pencil...
You can Sharpie them into the lineup

Come on man
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 2 @ 5:22 PM ET
Your answer begs its own question. When does a young player become “on the roster?”

This is why the best way to do define prospect is the day before the season opens. Not Aug 2. Or game 60.

- Der Kaiser

**Awaiting redundant stubborn response.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 2 @ 5:23 PM ET
I’d agree with that line of thinking for guys like Guhle...
do you really think there’s ANY chance that Dahlin & Mitts aren’t roster players this year?

Forget the pencil...
You can Sharpie them into the lineup

Come on man

- jdfitz77

Guile has more nhl experience that Dahlin Mittelstadt and Svechnikov combined.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:23 PM ET
Did Carolina announce that Svechnikov is on the roster? Source?
- TheHank


Common sense

Wanna make a wager smart ass?
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 2 @ 5:26 PM ET
Common sense

Wanna make a wager smart ass?

- jdfitz77

That’s not the point. Everything laid out in the article is cut and dry. Everything you’re saying is subjective and arbitrary. Jesus Christ.
I remember a 2nd overall pick from a couple years ago that people thought was on an nhl team, went back to juniors for the year.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:26 PM ET
Goaltender Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen has committed to the Sudbury Wolves. Buffalo Sabres' second-round pick in 2017 NHL Entry Draft was Sudbury's third-overall choice in the CHL Import Draft at the end of June. Full story to come. #ohl
- RhinoFan


Puts him on a slower path to the AHL,
but I’m cool with that
Kinda surprised though
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 2 @ 5:27 PM ET
Nylander should start in Rochacha and we don't have any other top6 lw prospects ready.

*hides again*

- RhinoFan


Smith was an AHL all star, and AHL all-star MVP

Olofsson led the swedish professional hockey league in goals.

Idk, I think these guys are ready for their shot. Yeah, the ice is smaller in Olofsson's case, but the net is the same size, and that's his game
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 2 @ 5:28 PM ET
I agree
- jdfitz77


How much more ready could CJ Smith get? He was an all-star MVP
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:28 PM ET
Your answer begs its own question. When does a young player become “on the roster?”

This is why the best way to do define prospect is the day before the season opens. Not Aug 2. Or game 60.

- Der Kaiser


Completely fair

I’m just talking about OBVIOUS cases like Mittelstadt & Dahlin

Even though the Sabres haven’t ANNOUNCED they’d be on the roster,
everyone can comfortably project they will be
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 2 @ 5:30 PM ET
Guile has more nhl experience that Dahlin Mittelstadt and Svechnikov combined.
- TheHank


Yet he’s questionable to make the roster?
True or false

U didn’t answer my question...
do i really think there’s ANY chance Dahlin & Mittelstadt aren’t on the roster?

Or are you just trolling?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:32 PM ET
Are Dahlin and Mittelstadt on the roster? Source? I haven’t heard anyone from the Sabres announce anything yet. Until then, as in right now, as in when the article was written, they are both prospects. Penciling them in is arbitrary.
- TheHank



Spot on

GREAT POST
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:34 PM ET
That’s not the point. Everything laid out in the article is cut and dry. Everything you’re saying is subjective and arbitrary. Jesus Christ.
I remember a 2nd overall pick from a couple years ago that people thought was on an nhl team, went back to juniors for the year.

- TheHank



I think he cried?

Same guy you're talking about
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