Tanev draws a ton of penalties. Lemieux is quite the opposite. He tends to take a lot of penalties. The difference could be game changers. Tanev is also a lot faster. They both have drive and heart . I definitely lean towards Tanev in that fourth line role.
- jetsnation

I agree about the penalties comments but didn’t Lemieux win the jets faster skater in their competition last year? I think he did so I don’t agree with the speed thing. I just think during the regular season neither makes a difference but I think Lemieux would play a bigger role for us in the playoffs than Tanev ever could. Tanev tries to hit and agitate but he has little effect on the other teams players, where Lemieux I think thrives at this.

I agree about the penalties comments but didn’t Lemieux win the jets faster skater in their competition last year? I think he did so I don’t agree with the speed thing. I just think during the regular season neither makes a difference but I think Lemieux would play a bigger role for us in the playoffs than Tanev ever could. Tanev tries to hit and agitate but he has little effect on the other teams players, where Lemieux I think thrives at this.
- Ross77

Lemieux is sneaky fast and did win the fastest Moose skater I believe. But, hasn’t quite found the balance between agitation and penalty avoidance. Tanev still has the leg up in that regard and also has the PK experience. If Tanev goes down, Lemieux comes up into that spot.

Lemieux is sneaky fast and did win the fastest Moose skater I believe. But, hasn’t quite found the balance between agitation and penalty avoidance. Tanev still has the leg up in that regard and also has the PK experience. If Tanev goes down, Lemieux comes up into that spot.
- CharlieDog

Maurice has said that PK role is important for third and fourth liners. Tanev also is always willing to sacrifice his body to block shots.

If anyone is vulnerable at forward it would be Dano and not Tanev. On D it would be Chariot.

Hope summer has been good to you Old Curmudgeons.




Been catching up on the Jets and man does KC need to turn JT into EK, ASAP

Maurice has said that PK role is important for third and fourth liners. Tanev also is always willing to sacrifice his body to block shots.

If anyone is vulnerable at forward it would be Dano and not Tanev. On D it would be Chariot.
- jetsnation

Dano would have to be in the picture in order to vulnerable.

Are there any reports out there about players working hard this summer to prepare? (Connor Roslovic Laine Dano Petan Bufyglien & others?)

Are there any reports out there about players working hard this summer to prepare? (Connor Roslovic Laine Dano Petan Bufyglien & others?)
- 2.0

There are reports that float out there. Laine, of course, preps hard in Finland with the same coach who does Ritsolainen and several other Finns , Hannu Rautala. Not much on ice stuff though. Mostly physical and strength.

Roslovic is a workout god in the same realm as Schiefele. He trains hard in a barn with some other NHL vets in Michigan. No worries about him. I've already pencilled him in as second line center.

You hear about Buff and his Da Beauty league in Viking Land a lot. Helle is supposedly using that same off-ice coach as last summer for a stretch. Broissot uses him as well.

Dano and Petan , no idea.

I believe Wheeler trains in Florida. Don't hear much about the rest of the Jets. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually hang around in Winnipeg and use the facilities here. Maybe others can add to this.

There are reports that float out there. Laine, of course, preps hard in Finland with the same coach who does Ritsolainen and several other Finns , Hannu Rautala. Not much on ice stuff though. Mostly physical and strength.

Roslovic is a workout god in the same realm as Schiefele. He trains hard in a barn with some other NHL vets in Michigan. No worries about him. I've already pencilled him in as second line center.

You hear about Buff and his Da Beauty league in Viking Land a lot. Helle is supposedly using that same off-ice coach as last summer for a stretch. Broissot uses him as well.

Dano and Petan , no idea.

I believe Wheeler trains in Florida. Don't hear much about the rest of the Jets. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually hang around in Winnipeg and use the facilities here. Maybe others can add to this.
- jetsnation

Last year there were plenty of videos of Dano and Petan training like crazy, I think In this day and age everyone trains pretty hard, especially those under 27

Last year there were plenty of videos of Dano and Petan training like crazy, I think In this day and age everyone trains pretty hard, especially those under 27
- Ross77

Agreed Ross. You would think so, and most certainly hope so, for those two when considering its a make or break year for both of them.

BTW....for those of you that are looking ahead to who might be available as a possible deadline signing, you can strike Tyler Seguin of your list. You will see him re-sign in Dallas in the near future for a long-term contract "in the 9's ". I'm not someone like Ek who just invents this stuff. I can also say this with 100% certainty in the same way I was 100% certainty with Tavares signing in T.O.

Dano would have to be in the picture in order to vulnerable.
- bennythehat

Waiver eligible, and on a one way deal. He’s firmly in the played or traded camp.

Waiver eligible, and on a one way deal. He’s firmly in the played or traded camp.
- Rexypoo

same for Petan (two way deal, waiver eligible). One of the two, maybe both, will have the opportunity to play and prove they belong.

Agreed Ross. You would think so, and most certainly hope so, for those two when considering its a make or break year for both of them.

BTW....for those of you that are looking ahead to who might be available as a possible deadline signing, you can strike Tyler Seguin of your list. You will see him re-sign in Dallas in the near future for a long-term contract "in the 9's ". I'm not someone like Ek who just invents this stuff. I can also say this with 100% certainty in the same way I was 100% certainty with Tavares signing in T.O.
- jetsnation

Seguin at 9M would be a good deal. The kid puts up big points every season and makes it look effortless. He's good for 1PPG, and 40 goals, great skater, at 26 years old......That's a no brainer. And trouba will ask for 8M+ following this season......Better smash his career high 32 points.

same for Petan (two way deal, waiver eligible). One of the two, maybe both, will have the opportunity to play and prove they belong.
- 2.0

Both will play, neither at the same time, neither higher than the 4th line at 7 minutes per game, and both will be moved for nothing only to break out elsewhere

Both will play, neither at the same time, neither higher than the 4th line at 7 minutes per game, and both will be moved for nothing only to break out elsewhere
- Rexypoo

I see Petan getting opportunity on 3rd line & perhaps some time with Ehlers/Laine in the pre-season to gauge chemistry.

Dano will have to capitalize on some injury time when it happens. It has been the pattern for the Jets to make very few changes when injuries happen to minimize disruption to lines. ie. Perreault gets injured, Dano comes in to the line for Perreault without changing all the lines.

Seguin at 9M would be a good deal. The kid puts up big points every season and makes it look effortless. He's good for 1PPG, and 40 goals, great skater, at 26 years old......That's a no brainer. And trouba will ask for 8M+ following this season......Better smash his career high 32 points.
- bikeguy99

I'll give a touch more color on Tyler Seguin. Two main factors. There are others as well though. Taxes are lower and golf. The first one is obvious. The second one I know first hand. There are a large group of players in the NHL that love the ability to play golf on a winter afternoon after practice with their buddies. Tyler is a big golfer. Yes, there are other NHL venues with that ability such as Anaheim, La, Carolina, Tampa, and Miami/ Dade County but he's happy where he is and will get paid to stay. Its just another advantage for those cities that place like Winnipeg doesn't have. Combine it with the tax saving in Vegas and Dallas for example and its a big draw for a lot of other NHL free agents.

Well said Charlie. Enstrom was a nightmare last season and even worse in the playoffs. Myers was a stud. Chariot was still somewhat of a tire fire but a least a much-improved one vs his previous year.
- jetsnation

While his playoff performance was... categorically un-Toby, described best by our English friends as “utter bollocks” (thanks James Neal), there is an argument to be made for him being the best pure shotdown dman in the NHL last season. His defensive numbers actually steadily improved from really damn great to Jesus Christ, calm down excellent as the season wore on.

While his playoff performance was... categorically un-Toby, described best by our English friends as “utter bollocks” (thanks James Neal), there is an argument to be made for him being the best pure shotdown dman in the NHL last season. His defensive numbers actually steadily improved from really damn great to Jesus Christ, calm down excellent as the season wore on.
- Rexypoo

Rexy, you are funny!

Rexy, you are funny!
- CharlieDog

I had to get my Toby point across without absolutely shredding Myers. Cue the bizarre humour!

Jayson Werth is my new hero. I love what he had to say about nerds killing baseball ...see TSN article.

Jayson Werth is my new hero. I love what he had to say about nerds killing baseball ...see TSN article.
- bennythehat

He’s mad about the shift in player evaluation because he feels it’s taking away individuality in baseball. He’s wrong, but I get it. He thinks efficiency means monotony, and he clearly doesn’t understand how this whole stats movement works if he thinks it should just be computers playing

He’s mad about the shift in player evaluation because he feels it’s taking away individuality in baseball. He’s wrong, but I get it. He thinks efficiency means monotony, and he clearly doesn’t understand how this whole stats movement works if he thinks it should just be computers playing
- Rexypoo

I knew u would feel that way 😀

I'll give a touch more color on Tyler Seguin. Two main factors. There are others as well though. Taxes are lower and golf. The first one is obvious. The second one I know first hand. There are a large group of players in the NHL that love the ability to play golf on a winter afternoon after practice with their buddies. Tyler is a big golfer. Yes, there are other NHL venues with that ability such as Anaheim, La, Carolina, Tampa, and Miami/ Dade County but he's happy where he is and will get paid to stay. Its just another advantage for those cities that place like Winnipeg doesn't have. Combine it with the tax saving in Vegas and Dallas for example and its a big draw for a lot of other NHL free agents.
- jetsnation

For sure there are other factors such as those, and he is already established in a low profile hockey market that isn't afraid to spend. Hard to knock his decision if he re-signs.

I knew u would feel that way 😀
- bennythehat

It’s the same way people seem to think about the stats movement in hockey. People say analytics makes the sport less fun, and takes away the personality just to turn around and crucify a PK Subban for wearing a hat during the warmup.

Really, it’s just people being afraid of change.

It’s the same way people seem to think about the stats movement in hockey. People say analytics makes the sport less fun, and takes away the personality just to turn around and crucify a PK Subban for wearing a hat during the warmup.

Really, it’s just people being afraid of change.
- Rexypoo

That's not my concern about analytics at all. My concern is that there are so many gaps in what is measured that the current available data by itself is not all that useful yet.

It's a very short sample size and very subjective but I will use Toby as an example. The naysayers said he was vulnerable in playoff hockey, yet he was an analytics darling. The playoffs came and the stats supported those people that predicted Toby's playoff game was wanting. Is this due to injury? Physical size/strength? Too long a stick slowing down his playmaking? Getting slower with age? No longer playing against the mean/average opponent and now vs the cream every shift and game that doesn't translate to best vs best? I suspect it was a little of all of the above.

Huge areas that analytics fails at is the effect of coaching, roles required, injuries, team chemistry, the effect of leadership, personal growth etc. These are areas that are reduced to averages. Some (on both sides of analytic fence) will go so far as to percieve player worth as black or white without consideration that other factors impact their effectiveness.

Stats and analysis of player value is not new to sport. It has been around since at least the start of the original Greek olympics and Roman gladiators . Fans knew their styles/techniques and records. There has been some recent innovation that will have an impact similar to Roger Nielson's innovative use of video to improve defensive play, or any other innovator. It is almost certain that each team employs their own analytics people to synthesizes data in unique ways not yet available to the public. More gaps will be closed as analytics evolves I am sure.

Fans will always be a step behind the professionals making a living studying these things and yet so many fans will believe they know a better way to evaluate talent whether it be by the eye or some set of data. There are a number of GM's who are committed to building their teams by using the latest data available (and who can blame them) as opposed to traditional expertise. When the entire league is reliant fully on analytics I will personally guarantee that some will be successful .

That's not my concern about analytics at all. My concern is that there are so many gaps in what is measured that the current available data by itself is not all that useful yet.

It's a very short sample size and very subjective but I will use Toby as an example. The naysayers said he was vulnerable in playoff hockey, yet he was an analytics darling. The playoffs came and the stats supported those people that predicted Toby's playoff game was wanting. Is this due to injury? Physical size/strength? Too long a stick slowing down his playmaking? Getting slower with age? No longer playing against the mean/average opponent and now vs the cream every shift and game that doesn't translate to best vs best? I suspect it was a little of all of the above.

Huge areas that analytics fails at is the effect of coaching, roles required, injuries, team chemistry, the effect of leadership, personal growth etc. These are areas that are reduced to averages. Some (on both sides of analytic fence) will go so far as to percieve player worth as black or white without consideration that other factors impact their effectiveness.

Stats and analysis of player value is not new to sport. It has been around since at least the start of the original Greek olympics and Roman gladiators . Fans knew their styles/techniques and records. There has been some recent innovation that will have an impact similar to Roger Nielson's innovative use of video to improve defensive play, or any other innovator. It is almost certain that each team employs their own analytics people to synthesizes data in unique ways not yet available to the public. More gaps will be closed as analytics evolves I am sure.

Fans will always be a step behind the professionals making a living studying these things and yet so many fans will believe they know a better way to evaluate talent whether it be by the eye or some set of data. There are a number of GM's who are committed to building their teams by using the latest data available (and who can blame them) as opposed to traditional expertise. When the entire league uses analytics I will personally guarantee that some will be successful .
- 2.0

This

Analytics are useful only in the regular season when coaches aren't line matching as much as they do in the playoffs.