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James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Jul 11 @ 9:35 PM ET
Population is ranked 11th in NHL, but that doesn't mean that Arizona is a "big" market in the NHL.

They rank 30th in attendance

They rank 31st in value (dead last)

What are YOU basing your comments on?

Have you been watching CNN again Tanner??

You have to be saying this for "clicks"

- rrentz


The population of the city of Phoenix may be 11th in the NHL, but the overall market TV market is one of the biggest in the states - top ten or close, if I'm remembering correctly - and that is the reason the NHL has worked so hard to keep a team there.


James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Jul 11 @ 9:41 PM ET
"With Panarin, the Coyotes are a contender."

Goes from not being even close to making the playoffs 6 years in a row to contender by trading for one guy...

right...

- flapshots


Why have an opinion if you're not paying attention? Check out the Coyotes roster. They've got an up and coming team with a great goalie and a great blue line.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 11 @ 9:46 PM ET
you may trade for him but you wont resign him. Arizona doesnt fit what he is looking for If the rumours are true
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 11 @ 9:55 PM ET
Why have an opinion if you're not paying attention? Check out the Coyotes roster. They've got an up and coming team with a great goalie and a great blue line.
- james_tanner1

Up and coming team for how many years now ?

You forgot to mention Arguably the best GM in hockey.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jul 11 @ 10:24 PM ET
Population is ranked 11th in NHL, but that doesn't mean that Arizona is a "big" market in the NHL.

They rank 30th in attendance

They rank 31st in value (dead last)

What are YOU basing your comments on?

Have you been watching CNN again Tanner??

You have to be saying this for "clicks"

- rrentz



Phoenix is the 12th biggest TV market in the US, so it's that untapped potential that the NHL sees. Why they've stayed there for so long.
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:39 PM ET
The population of the city of Phoenix may be 11th in the NHL, but the overall market TV market is one of the biggest in the states - top ten or close, if I'm remembering correctly - and that is the reason the NHL has worked so hard to keep a team there.
- james_tanner1



Maybe, but potential hasn't come to fruition in the past 20 years. All of a sudden more people will suddenly love hockey in Arizona?
Mahewman
Season Ticket Holder
Boston Bruins
Location: NH
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:43 PM ET
Yeahhhh Panarin, OEL and RAANTA makes Arizona a contender... Panarin is a great young player but he was already on two superior rosters in Chicago and Columbus. Yet in your scenario he is traded to one of the more abysmal franchises in the league and contends for a cup?
pucks4all
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 11 @ 10:52 PM ET
Definitely wouldn’t trade Keller.
Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:52 PM ET
Idk about Panarin, but Pacioretty absolutely.
Panarin is going to cost a ton, and underlying stats have him as a top 10 forward in the league, but he's hinted at testing the free agent market regardless where he ends up.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:11 PM ET
No, Arizona has plans to become a big city/market. Panarin is phase one. Phase two is to double the city's population through witchcraft. Then comes the PR push labelling Arizona as "Hockeytowndesertplace". Then you'll all be sorry.
- cnatch


Damn
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Jul 11 @ 11:20 PM ET
Maybe, but potential hasn't come to fruition in the past 20 years. All of a sudden more people will suddenly love hockey in Arizona?
- rrentz


If the team is winning and entertaining, then yes, people will suddenly love hockey in Arizona. People love hockey in Tampa right now.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 11 @ 11:23 PM ET
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Jul 11 @ 11:41 PM ET
The population of the city of Phoenix may be 11th in the NHL, but the overall market TV market is one of the biggest in the states - top ten or close, if I'm remembering correctly - and that is the reason the NHL has worked so hard to keep a team there.
- james_tanner1


The metro population of Phoenix is 4.7 million. It's a huge market. The product on the ice hasn't been good enough to attract new fans though.
Jack Straw
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CO
Joined: 02.21.2018

Jul 12 @ 12:23 AM ET
James, what tangible evidence supports that Chayka is one of the best GM's in the biz?

He's been GM in AZ for 2 years and 2 months. The 'Yotes were 35-38-9 (78 points) the season before he took over. In the two seasons he's been calling the shots, Arizona has been 30-42-10 (70 points) and 29-41-12 (also 70 points).

He's made some interesting trades and gained some nice future assets during the drafts he's run by trading down at times, but has he really made the team any better? I mean, trading for and declaring Derek Stepan as your #1 Center is not a move a top GM would ever make.

Who are they better than in the Pacific? They're not better than Calgary, San Jose, Vegas, L.A., or Anaheim, which means no Playoffs once again. Will be three years into Chayka's regime and not a sniff of the playoffs.

He may be one day, but right now he hasn't done enough to merit being labeled as one of the best GM's out there.

Looking at teams' current rosters, cap situations, most recent success, and prospect pools, the best GM's in today's game are: Yzerman, Poile, Wilson, Sakic, Cheveldayoff, MacLellan, and Shero. Rutherford is overrated.
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Jul 12 @ 12:28 AM ET
James, what tangible evidence supports that Chayka is one of the best GM's in the biz?

He's been GM in AZ for 2 years and 2 months. The 'Yotes were 35-38-9 (78 points) the season before he took over. In the two seasons he's been calling the shots, Arizona has been 30-42-10 (70 points) and 29-41-12 (also 70 points).

He's made some interesting trades and gained some nice future assets during the drafts he's run by trading down at times, but has he really made the team any better? I mean, trading for and declaring Derek Stepan as your #1 Center is not a move a top GM would ever make.

Who are they better than in the Pacific? They're not better than Calgary, San Jose, Vegas, L.A., or Anaheim, which means no Playoffs once again. Will be three years into Chayka's regime and not a sniff of the playoffs.

He may be one day, but right now he hasn't done enough to merit being labeled as one of the best GM's out there.

Looking at teams' current rosters, cap situations, most recent success, and prospect pools, the best GM's in today's game are: Yzerman, Poile, Wilson, Sakic, Cheveldayoff, MacLellan, and Shero. Rutherford is overrated.

- Jack Straw


You're basing how good Chayka is on results, but you call Rutherford overrated
Avsrchamps01
Joined: 06.27.2012

Jul 12 @ 12:30 AM ET
They need to get him to agree to sign an extension there first
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:38 AM ET
The Phoenix and surrounding areas actually is one of the biggest markets in the NHL. There is a reason they've worked so hard to keep the team there.
- james_tanner1

I’m new to Maricopa county, but it’s huge (and spread out). I think the population rings around 4.6mm
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:42 AM ET
Maybe, but potential hasn't come to fruition in the past 20 years. All of a sudden more people will suddenly love hockey in Arizona?
- rrentz

I just moved 5 minutes away from their practice rink. The 15U boys AAA lost in the semi’s at nationals. Apparently they’re top 10 ever year. Coaches include Shane Doan, Derrick Morris, Ray Whitney, Deron Quint, etc. I honestly couldn’t tell you why people don’t support them by going to games but I see Coyote flags/stickers everywhere
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:45 AM ET
You're basing how good Chayka is on results, but you call Rutherford overrated
- DutchSenators

Wow lol. Dude that’s a solid point.
I think Chayka has done a good job since becoming GM. AZ wasn’t awful to start last year because of their roster, they were awful because they had a ton of injuries. Idk how well Tocchet is going to work out as HC. I really wanted that Nelson guy out of Grand Rapids
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:49 AM ET
There are so many significant potential free agents this next offseason. There could absolutely be a huge shift in contenders based upon who signs where. AZ has the cap space. Who’s to say they wouldn’t have a pretty solid roster after any 1 or 2 of: Eberle, Duchene, Staal, Panarin, Skinner, Wheeler. The list goes on and on
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jul 12 @ 8:37 AM ET
James Tanner: Coyotes Should Trade for Panarin
- james_tanner1

Cool blogg, love the trade ideas , but the Coyotes simply don't have the money to afford Panarin.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 12 @ 9:02 AM ET
"With Panarin, the Coyotes are a contender."

Could you be more specific...contender for what?
Dahlmanyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 06.15.2015

Jul 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
James, what tangible evidence supports that Chayka is one of the best GM's in the biz?

He's been GM in AZ for 2 years and 2 months. The 'Yotes were 35-38-9 (78 points) the season before he took over. In the two seasons he's been calling the shots, Arizona has been 30-42-10 (70 points) and 29-41-12 (also 70 points).

He's made some interesting trades and gained some nice future assets during the drafts he's run by trading down at times, but has he really made the team any better? I mean, trading for and declaring Derek Stepan as your #1 Center is not a move a top GM would ever make.

Who are they better than in the Pacific? They're not better than Calgary, San Jose, Vegas, L.A., or Anaheim, which means no Playoffs once again. Will be three years into Chayka's regime and not a sniff of the playoffs.

He may be one day, but right now he hasn't done enough to merit being labeled as one of the best GM's out there.

Looking at teams' current rosters, cap situations, most recent success, and prospect pools, the best GM's in today's game are: Yzerman, Poile, Wilson, Sakic, Cheveldayoff, MacLellan, and Shero. Rutherford is overrated.

- Jack Straw


Ugh this is just bad analysis and lack of understanding the Coyotes strategy. The coyotes tried for a decade to get a top ten center and never could, so Chayka went outside the box and tried to deliver depth and speed over a juggernaut line. Both Stepan and Galchenyuk have been rated as top 30 centers in recent years. Granted they may be 29 and 30, but they hope that depth competes with other teams that have a top 10 center and then top 60 center on their second line.

Additionally, Stepan was traded for his locker room presence as they tried to shift the culture. He’s like an extra coach, and very vocal. They want him teaching and leading their young core. If Hayton or Strome or Dvorak are ever going to be top 30 centers themselves, they need someone like Derek Stepan. Heck, Galchenyuk (who has dropped out of top 30 Centers) May leap to a top 15 center, under the tutelage of Stepan.

All in all it’s ridiculous to judge Chayka on his first two years. He inherited a tire fire at the NHL level, and then a lot of unproven young talent that he decided to invest in by putting out the tire fire.

Coyotes WILL make the playoffs this year, they WILL be deep playoff contenders over the next 3-4 years. Hayton and PO Joseph WILL turn out to be genius draft picks (like Keller and Chychrun) and Chayka WILL be heralded as a legit top tier GM. If you can’t see that, you aren’t paying attention, and you are just focused on player and team ratings in your NHL 18 video game world.
gmiel1980
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 09.30.2015

Jul 12 @ 10:20 AM ET
Population is ranked 11th in NHL, but that doesn't mean that Arizona is a "big" market in the NHL.

They rank 30th in attendance

They rank 31st in value (dead last)

What are YOU basing your comments on?

Have you been watching CNN again Tanner??

You have to be saying this for "clicks"

- rrentz


Actually, if you look it up, we are the sixth largest city in the US by population, and Maricopa County is the 4th largest in the country. To say we are a "small" market is simply uneducated. We have 3 main issues regarding this team re: attendance:

1. They put the arena on the wrong side of town, plain and simple. If the arena was on the east side of town, a completely different story

2. We are a transient city. We have fans from so many teams that move here and live here that it was tough for the Coyotes to gain traction (more on that in number 3). But with the youth hockey market growing at exponential levels, this is changing

3. Other than the 3 straight seasons we made the playoffs from 2010-2012, we have haven't put a winning product on the ice since the late 90's. When the Suns are losing, their attendance flops. Same for the D-backs. It's the nature of this town and the fanbase (unfortunately). I became a season ticket member for the Yotes in their worst season ever. I have not renewed yet, but probably will given the upward trajectory of the franchise I am seeing.

The NHL hasn't left this market for a reason, and they won't. They'll leave Ottawa or Calgary long before they ever leave here. Just my opinion, but they wouldn't have fought as long and hard as they have only to throw up their hands and leave.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 12 @ 10:29 AM ET
Wow lol. Dude that’s a solid point.
I think Chayka has done a good job since becoming GM. AZ wasn’t awful to start last year because of their roster, they were awful because they had a ton of injuries. Idk how well Tocchet is going to work out as HC. I really wanted that Nelson guy out of Grand Rapids

- WSCTeton17


they had a ton of injuries, but also lacked roster depth to overcome those injuries.

they added forward depth, but i still think they are at least one good forward short of a playoff team, regardless of who is coach.
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