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jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:33 AM ET
Lol i used them as an example im sure there was one of the 16 or so teams that dont make the play offs had a plyer capable of playing moores minutes ( lets not pretend all of a sudden he was great but im willing to be if you suck and can skate in todays nhl you have a better chance of sticking then being a slower reliable player. Teams are constantly trying to get more mobile so i dont believe it couldnt have been done.
- Shampoo


Hey, we can agree to disagree. I would agree that non-playoff teams are willing to move assets at the deadline of course, but what non-playoff team would want a soon-to-be free agent at the deadline? What would be their motivation to get a player like that?
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 11:34 AM ET
But the argument to spend just for the sake of spending is silly. I agree that I would have liked to see de Haan, becaue in my opinion a LHD is our biggest need, along with a winger. But the other UFAs out there weren't worth giving big money to in my opinion. Sure, a 1 or 2 year deal would have maybe been ok, but that wasn't really an option.
- jersey1414

You cant just say everyone cost to much but anyways it doesnt matter its not really my point. Im happy we didnt add and bad contracts but with all that has happened how can you wrap youre head around the team being better ? Or is that not what you are saying. Yes we didnt sign any bad contracts thats a plus in some way just not in an on ice way ( it doesnt help us win games today by play ) but we lost 3 players who played on our nhl team so thats a minus it just can not be a plus and then you go ok well guus from the ahl will come up but there were also a bunch of our ahl depth that left so which guys come up and how do they replace those pts when we dont have any one who has done anything in any of their leagues. We are also minus the 4 prospects it cost to get maroon and grabner so we are out 6 assets now to make a deal comfortably with out stripping cupboards again or trading from our roster and that all happened within a couple of months.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jul 11 @ 11:35 AM ET
I think we all agree, and hope, that Shero is working on something. But, honestly, other than Carlsson and, more importantly, de Haan, I didn't see a UFA worth dishing out significant money for. Did you?
- jersey1414


Not including John Tavares, and of course Kovy, I think Paul Stasny or James Neal would have helped the club. The contracts are certainly very expensive but that's the gig in free agency. The cap space is ultimately useless.

I also think we could have found a better goalie then resigning Eddie Lack. I would have gladly taken Robin Lehner. With Cory coming off surgery we need a reliable tandem to start the year and Kink and Lack aren't very reassuring.

Even if we were just able to land Maroon I'd feel better but there is nothing to get excited about. I mean I don't like Grabner or Gibbons that much but they're players. We got dink.

I'm hopefully some guys in the farm can step in, but we don't have any great prospects. I'd like to see Q work his way back in.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 11:37 AM ET
Hey, we can agree to disagree. I would agree that non-playoff teams are willing to move assets at the deadline of course, but what non-playoff team would want a soon-to-be free agent at the deadline? What would be their motivation to get a player like that?
- jersey1414

There are how many players in the league you are telling me there isnt one other defense that is of a different mold that isnt worth the same value ? Ppl trade grit for skill all the time they look at it as being what their team needs and what the other needs. But sure we will agree to disagree as it was only ever me wondering at what point they decided moore wasnt coming back.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 11:40 AM ET
Not including John Tavares, and of course Kovy, I think Paul Stasny or James Neal would have helped the club. The contracts are certainly very expensive but that's the gig in free agency. The cap space is ultimately useless.

I also think we could have found a better goalie then resigning Eddie Lack. I would have gladly taken Robin Lehner. With Cory coming off surgery we need a reliable tandem to start the year and Kink and Lack aren't very reassuring.

Even if we were just able to land Maroon I'd feel better but there is nothing to get excited about. I mean I don't like Grabner or Gibbons that much but they're players. We got dink.

I'm hopefully some guys in the farm can step in, but we don't have any great prospects. I'd like to see Q work his way back in.

- Queenie_5_hole

Im wondering if the nothing we have done is because they are worried about cory moving forward. You would think they would of signed a goalie such as lehner like you said but maybe he does see another real chance at a lotto pick.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:43 AM ET
You cant just say everyone cost to much but anyways it doesnt matter its not really my point. Im happy we didnt add and bad contracts but with all that has happened how can you wrap youre head around the team being better ? Or is that not what you are saying. Yes we didnt sign any bad contracts thats a plus in some way just not in an on ice way ( it doesnt help us win games today by play ) but we lost 3 players who played on our nhl team so thats a minus it just can not be a plus and then you go ok well guus from the ahl will come up but there were also a bunch of our ahl depth that left so which guys come up and how do they replace those pts when we dont have any one who has done anything in any of their leagues. We are also minus the 4 prospects it cost to get maroon and grabner so we are out 6 assets now to make a deal comfortably with out stripping cupboards again or trading from our roster and that all happened within a couple of months.
- Shampoo


Well, I'm not sure any of those prospects would have helped THIS year. So that's not a fair argument. Yeah I get it that you can look and say we didn't sign anyone, and I'll still hold out for a trade, but it's not as though there were so many incredibly good options for us. There just weren't. When I weight the value of not dishing out awful contracts vs. the gamble of hoping the younger guys contribute more this year, I tend to think it's smarter to do the latter. That's just me.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:48 AM ET
Not including John Tavares, and of course Kovy, I think Paul Stasny or James Neal would have helped the club. The contracts are certainly very expensive but that's the gig in free agency. The cap space is ultimately useless.

I also think we could have found a better goalie then resigning Eddie Lack. I would have gladly taken Robin Lehner. With Cory coming off surgery we need a reliable tandem to start the year and Kink and Lack aren't very reassuring.

Even if we were just able to land Maroon I'd feel better but there is nothing to get excited about. I mean I don't like Grabner or Gibbons that much but they're players. We got dink.

I'm hopefully some guys in the farm can step in, but we don't have any great prospects. I'd like to see Q work his way back in.

- Queenie_5_hole


We already carry arguably 6 centers on the roster (including Zacha and Coleman in there). And we have an abundance of left handed shooters, so was giving nearl 5 years really a wise thing to do? I could see an argument for Perron, but reports indicate he really wanted to go to St. Louis and probably took less to do so. With Lehner, do you think he would want to come here to be a backup or even 3rd option once (if) Cory is healthy? He took a starting gig so I find that hard to believe...
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 11 @ 11:57 AM ET
Might be a case of having to take a step back to take two steps forward -- they made the playoffs last year, which definitely was good for the fanbase and Hall, but sometimes you actually need to miss once more, get a lottery pick, to solidify a lineup moving forward

It took an MVP-caliber season from Hall to make it into the playoffs last year. Doing so should buy Shero enough time to finish adding the kind of high-end talent a rebuild needs -- it can't just be Hischier and done

- AllInForFlyers

This makes sense, too many teams begin a rebuild, have one good year, and abandon the plan, ending up a mediocre bubble team. Not that they dont want to win and make the playoffs, but they also arent making any rash decisions just to get there. Hopefully its a good sign of a long term solution.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 11:57 AM ET
Well, I'm not sure any of those prospects would have helped THIS year. So that's not a fair argument. Yeah I get it that you can look and say we didn't sign anyone, and I'll still hold out for a trade, but it's not as though there were so many incredibly good options for us. There just weren't. When I weight the value of not dishing out awful contracts vs. the gamble of hoping the younger guys contribute more this year, I tend to think it's smarter to do the latter. That's just me.
- jersey1414

They wouldnt have. But you want to wait for a deal you need assets those are assets we no longer have and we didnt get any value at all. Right now if im banking on a deal being made than i would have rather had those prospects banked in there to either move as they are a few years away or to be able to move out picks in a deal, now you gotta strip from a cupboard that was only meh and possibly even our nhl roster just to find an upgrade. At some point a mistake was made and thats fine but Ray messed up somewhere with his asset management i dont think this is how he planned it happening either so although im not happy im sure he isnt laughing victory either.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:58 AM ET
This makes sense, too many teams begin a rebuild, have one good year, and abandon the plan, ending up a mediocre bubble team. Not that they dont want to win and make the playoffs, but they also arent making any rash decisions just to get there. Hopefully its a good sign of a long term solution.
- 13sundin13


Completely agree.
paulozz
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:59 AM ET

J. Leivo for a 2019 4th?
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:59 AM ET
They wouldnt have. But you want to wait for a deal you need assets those are assets we no longer have and we didnt get any value at all. Right now if im banking on a deal being made than i would have rather had those prospects banked in there to either move as they are a few years away or to be able to move out picks in a deal, now you gotta strip from a cupboard that was only meh and possibly even our nhl roster just to find an upgrade. At some point a mistake was made and thats fine but Ray messed up somewhere with his asset management i dont think this is how he planned it happening either so although im not happy im sure he isnt laughing victory either.
- Shampoo


True. In hindsight I would have rather spent those assets elsewhere. I bet Shero would say that too but hindsight is 20/20.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 11 @ 12:00 PM ET
Jurco seems like a good option no?
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jul 11 @ 12:02 PM ET
We already carry arguably 6 centers on the roster (including Zacha and Coleman in there). And we have an abundance of left handed shooters, so was giving nearl 5 years really a wise thing to do? I could see an argument for Perron, but reports indicate he really wanted to go to St. Louis and probably took less to do so. With Lehner, do you think he would want to come here to be a backup or even 3rd option once (if) Cory is healthy? He took a starting gig so I find that hard to believe...
- jersey1414


Not that I don't think you make a good point, but for the right players we could move some guys to wing. I know that's not ideal but it is harder to play center so it shouldn't be impossible.

I can't believe we couldn't get in that Anthony Duclair action either. I know, LW not RW but still.... I mean Ray usually finds a decent reclamation project or something. The off season NJD highlight is Eric Gryba?!
redmonsters
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
Russell and Puljujarvi for Severson. Let’s do this.
- Wildschwein

What is Russell's contract?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 11 @ 12:35 PM ET
Maybe Versteeg is willing to come in on a one year deal to try and load up on some PP points and get his career back together?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 11 @ 12:36 PM ET
What is Russell's contract?
- redmonsters

willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:43 PM ET
What is Russell's contract?
- redmonsters

Not pleasant
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:50 PM ET
Definitely an oddly nothing offseason so far but I'm not actively upset at Ray.

Carlson signed before even hitting UFA. Tavares was never coming here. They were seemingly in on de Haan but at a certain point you can only do so much to try to convince a free agent to sign with you instead of one of the other 30 teams, and I'm glad he didn't give out some absurd contract. I have no doubt NJ offered a much richer contract than what Maroon signed in St Louis but clearly he wanted to go home, not much you can do there.

The reality is the Devils shouldn't trade the farm for a win-now move, the team isn't in win now mode. We're a year removed from being in pure 100% rebuild mode. They overachieved this past season. The philosophy on building the roster shouldn't be win-now to the point of parting with futures yet.

Obviously both the Grabner and Maroon trades didn't work out long run, but at the time I think they both made sense to try to get a team that overachieved into the playoffs for the first time in six years. I don't care what anyone says, that matters, even if it's just getting bounced in round one.

No GM bats 1000, I'm still very pleased with how Ray has done as the GM of the Devils thus far.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:53 PM ET
I think New Jersey needs Bryan Little.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 1:02 PM ET
This makes sense, too many teams begin a rebuild, have one good year, and abandon the plan, ending up a mediocre bubble team. Not that they dont want to win and make the playoffs, but they also arent making any rash decisions just to get there. Hopefully its a good sign of a long term solution.
- 13sundin13


Exactly -- I enjoy the history of the sport, not just the geographical/divisional rivalries. Team building has interested me since the 1980s.

A team like the Devils had one of the most productive, sustained runs in league history. Can't take that away from them.

But when those end -- and they all do -- you can't expect to make systemic issues go away even in two or three seasons. You have to have multiple sustained drafts, and hit on the high-end picks, to truly turn a team around after a bottoming-out.

The worst thing the Devils could do right now is think that last year is the baseline. It isn't. That's not me being a tool. That's me looking at league history and saying that if Zacha isn't performing like a Top-10 pick by now, history says that you're probably gonna need at least one more, maybe two, plus more talented depth, before the rebuild is truly complete
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 1:04 PM ET
Definitely an oddly nothing offseason so far but I'm not actively upset at Ray.

Carlson signed before even hitting UFA. Tavares was never coming here. They were seemingly in on de Haan but at a certain point you can only do so much to try to convince a free agent to sign with you instead of one of the other 30 teams, and I'm glad he didn't give out some absurd contract. I have no doubt NJ offered a much richer contract than what Maroon signed in St Louis but clearly he wanted to go home, not much you can do there.

The reality is the Devils shouldn't trade the farm for a win-now move, the team isn't in win now mode. We're a year removed from being in pure 100% rebuild mode. They overachieved this past season. The philosophy on building the roster shouldn't be win-now to the point of parting with futures yet.

Obviously both the Grabner and Maroon trades didn't work out long run, but at the time I think they both made sense to try to get a team that overachieved into the playoffs for the first time in six years. I don't care what anyone says, that matters, even if it's just getting bounced in round one.

No GM bats 1000, I'm still very pleased with how Ray has done as the GM of the Devils thus far.

- MannySilvers


Yep. You get it
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 11 @ 1:04 PM ET
Exactly -- I enjoy the history of the sport, not just the geographical/divisional rivalries. Team building has interested me since the 1980s.

A team like the Devils had one of the most productive, sustained runs in league history. Can't take that away from them.

But when those end -- and they all do -- you can't expect to make systemic issues go away even in two or three seasons. You have to have multiple sustained drafts, and hit on the high-end picks, to truly turn a team around after a bottoming-out.

The worst thing the Devils could do right now is think that last year is the baseline. It isn't. That's not me being a tool. That's me looking at league history and saying that if Zacha isn't performing like a Top-10 pick by now, history says that you're probably gonna need at least one more, maybe two, plus more talented depth, before the rebuild is truly complete

- AllInForFlyers


100% agree. You can turn a season around and make the playoffs, but you don't miraculously go from lottery team to suddenly having a surplus of young talent and a foundation to seriously compete for the next decade.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 1:11 PM ET
100% agree. You can turn a season around and make the playoffs, but you don't miraculously go from lottery team to suddenly having a surplus of young talent and a foundation to seriously compete for the next decade.
- jersey1414


Yep. It's hard being patient, seeing other teams making moves. But with the way the league is now, you have to be as patient as humanly possible, have multiple productive drafts in succession, and then let some of them develop who need it

It's the only way, now that teams don't trade as much as they did back in the day and they sign almost every good player before they hit FA
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:14 PM ET
What is Russell's contract?
- redmonsters



No. The answer is no.
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