How it works is this...

Nashville is completely and utterly (frank)ed if (when?) Weber retires 4 years or so from now.
- Aetherial

...but you just know somehow Gary Bettman's next lockout will bail Nashville out of this.

Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.

NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.

Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he playsbthe 4th last year for $3m.

No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID
- Takemedrunkimhome

So, you want to force Weber to play out of spite?

Sounds like a great plan, a respected player and member of the team being handcuffed by management

I'm sure that will go over great in the room

Have you seen whats happening in Ottawa when Owners/Management treat players like crap?

You actually can't even force Weber to play, he can simply say "I got a hangnail" and go on injured reserve (Not LTIR) He can sit at home and nurse his injury and collect his paycheck if thats how you want to play it

(and you'd have an 8 million dollar cap hit for your trouble)

obviously they're better players than Ryan......but they're also signed to way more money and WAY WAY more term. Hence the comparison.

And I did say that Ryan was worse, but their contracts would be as hard to move as his
- sensarmy_11

Way more money? Yeah Weber’s hit is massive compared to Ryan's...and that's without the NMC or NTC that Ryan has and Weber does not. Then there's the real money on the contract. Then there's the fact one of them is a valuable NHLer and the other should be on one year league minimum contracts the rest of his career. I don't see how you can argue Ryan is as tradeable as Weber. It just isn't true

So, you want to force Weber to play out of spite?

Sounds like a great plan, a respected player and member of the team being handcuffed by management

I'm sure that will go over great in the room

Have you seen whats happening in Ottawa when Owners/Management treat players like crap?

You actually can't even force Weber to play, he can simply say "I got a hangnail" and go on injured reserve (Not LTIR) He can sit at home and nurse his injury and collect his paycheck if thats how you want to play it

(and you'd have an 8 million dollar cap hit for your trouble)
- RoloTahmasee

This is just patently untrue. This is why physicals exist. And again...it wouldn't and won't come to that as with the most likely scenario Weber already plans to retire. He made $12m actual money last year...why would he play 4 years for $6m total or even 3 for $3m total? It's not hard to see why this comes up and will be an issue for Nashville. He isn't playing out this contract and never was

All of those contracts were designed for players to retire the last few years and lower the cap hit. Datsyuk...heck Zetterberg wants out now but wishes he never said so publicly due to cap recapture - I would bet he retires before his contract still as after this year it will be two years at $1m - this is his retirement tour. The Sens screwed Alfie after he played out his cheap year to their benefit and they wouldn't make it up to him the next year so he went to Detroit.

If you're 40 and played hard years would you play 3 years at near league minimum when you've banked almost $100m in career earnings? Guys start to get concerned about their post playing career more than you'd think
- Takemedrunkimhome

Datsyuk is still playing, Zetterberg is still playing, Alfredsson played into his 40s and definitely wasn't playing for money at the end of his career. Hockey players really like playing hockey. There's no reason for Weber to retire unless his body is breaking down, and then he'd end up on LTIR.

Today is not the day EK. Karlsson is in Scotland golfing and nothing will get done while he is on vacation. Secondly, I don't subscribe to it being a done deal that he needs to be moved. I'm willing to bet that Karlsson is in the Sens lineup on Oct. 4th. I would also say that if he remains, the likelihood that he signs in Ottawa gets stronger by the day.

He likes Ottawa, and wants to stay. I see a new offer being made by Dorion, likely one that is approved by the potential new ownership group: Desmarais, not Laliberté.

This is just patently untrue. This is why physicals exist. And again...it wouldn't and won't come to that as with the most likely scenario Weber already plans to retire. He made $12m actual money last year...why would he play 4 years for $6m total or even 3 for $3m total? It's not hard to see why this comes up and will be an issue for Nashville. He isn't playing out this contract and never was
- Takemedrunkimhome

Why was Alfredsson playing for 3.5M in his last year? Why did Jagr play for a million last year? Most professional athletes dread retirement.

Way more money? Yeah Weber’s hit is massive compared to Ryan's...and that's without the NMC or NTC that Ryan has and Weber does not. Then there's the real money on the contract. Then there's the fact one of them is a valuable NHLer and the other should be on one year league minimum contracts the rest of his career. I don't see how you can argue Ryan is as tradeable as Weber. It just isn't true
- Takemedrunkimhome

Now who's making poop up and talking out his ass

Ryan is a 20 goal 50 pt guy when healthy......overpaid, obviously, but still an average 2nd line guy.

Let's see how productive and valuable Weber will be coming back from 2 surgeries at the age of 33

Now who's making poop up and talking out his ass

Ryan is a 20 goal 50 pt guy when healthy......overpaid, obviously, but still an average 2nd line guy.

Let's see how productive and valuable Weber will be coming back from 2 surgeries at the age of 33
- sensarmy_11

You can stop whining now

I say. I dont think anybody is willing to pay a goalie 10 million. The league proves you dont need super elite talent in net to win.

Now who's making poop up and talking out his ass

Ryan is a 20 goal 50 pt guy when healthy......overpaid, obviously, but still an average 2nd line guy.

Let's see how productive and valuable Weber will be coming back from 2 surgeries at the age of 33
- sensarmy_11

31 out of 31 teams would rather have Weber than Ryan.

So, you want to force Weber to play out of spite?

Sounds like a great plan, a respected player and member of the team being handcuffed by management

I'm sure that will go over great in the room

Have you seen whats happening in Ottawa when Owners/Management treat players like crap?

You actually can't even force Weber to play, he can simply say "I got a hangnail" and go on injured reserve (Not LTIR) He can sit at home and nurse his injury and collect his paycheck if thats how you want to play it

(and you'd have an 8 million dollar cap hit for your trouble)
- RoloTahmasee

Oh and Robidas island called - they said yeah this forced retirement is really hurting the Leafs...and Lupul says what up

Now who's making poop up and talking out his ass

Ryan is a 20 goal 50 pt guy when healthy......overpaid, obviously, but still an average 2nd line guy.

Let's see how productive and valuable Weber will be coming back from 2 surgeries at the age of 33
- sensarmy_11

I don't think you'll find anyone to agree with you on this one.

Ryan is a shell of his former self.

Oh and Robidas island called - they said yeah this forced retirement is really hurting the Leafs...and Lupul says what up
- Takemedrunkimhome

Guys on Robidas Island are all on the LTIR. They aren't retired.

This is just patently untrue. This is why physicals exist. And again...it wouldn't and won't come to that as with the most likely scenario Weber already plans to retire. He made $12m actual money last year...why would he play 4 years for $6m total or even 3 for $3m total? It's not hard to see why this comes up and will be an issue for Nashville. He isn't playing out this contract and never was
- Takemedrunkimhome

Because it's free money?

Same reason Hossa hasn't "retired", Free Money, Checks to cash

It is incredibly easy for players to "Fail" a physical on purpose. Maybe not for the purposes of LTIR (which would actually be bad for Montreal) but if the Habs don't play ball and find a way for everyone to get theirs, Weber could simply claim "headaches" due to Post Concussion or "sore knee" and be week to week for years as he collects him money and Montreal eats that Cap hit

Way more money? Yeah Weber’s hit is massive compared to Ryan's...and that's without the NMC or NTC that Ryan has and Weber does not. Then there's the real money on the contract. Then there's the fact one of them is a valuable NHLer and the other should be on one year league minimum contracts the rest of his career. I don't see how you can argue Ryan is as tradeable as Weber. It just isn't true
- Takemedrunkimhome

I guess at this point in time, they're about as un-tradeable. Once Weber is healthy then I would say he becomes much more tradeable...he'll step right back into things I think. Bobby Ryan was like a Jason Blake-ish signing. Instantly regrettable and so hard to shed, but hey, David Clarkson got traded, so there's always hope. Still think Weber would be tough to trade without retaining. That's a lot on the cap for a 33 year old.

Datsyuk is still playing, Zetterberg is still playing, Alfredsson played into his 40s and definitely wasn't playing for money at the end of his career. Hockey players really like playing hockey. There's no reason for Weber to retire unless his body is breaking down, and then he'd end up on LTIR.
- Hunkulese

Datsyuk is playing...in another league and left a contract he wouldn't play on for... $1m a season...it's how Arizona got Chychrun.
Zetterberg made a comment about leaving then had to walk it back after everybody screamed about cap recapture but he's gone after this year. You may want to Google how Alfies career ended as it's that cheap year at the end he wanted to leave on the table but stayed as a solid to the Sens and the Melnyk cheaped him after so he went to Detroit...something that is still a problem between he and the organization.

Very...VERY few players play into their 40's. Not everybody is Howe, Jagr or Chelios

Because it's free money?

Same reason Hossa hasn't "retired", Free Money, Checks to cash

It is incredibly easy for players to "Fail" a physical on purpose. Maybe not for the purposes of LTIR (which would actually be bad for Montreal) but if the Habs don't play ball and find a way for everyone to get theirs, Weber could simply claim "headaches" due to Post Concussion or "sore knee" and be week to week for years as he collects him money and Montreal eats that Cap hit
- RoloTahmasee

While I get what you're saying, I don't think Weber is that kind of guy at all.

Then again, this whole conversation is stupid, we have no idea how things will be in the future.

Oh and Robidas island called - they said yeah this forced retirement is really hurting the Leafs...and Lupul says what up
- Takemedrunkimhome

But the crux of your point is Weber is going to be able to extract some sort of value out of Nashville because if the Habs "force" him to retire then NAshville is screwed

If Weber ends up on Robidas Island through LTIR, how does that work in your scenario? Montreal getting some kind of benefit from Nashville, that is?

Now who's making poop up and talking out his ass

Ryan is a 20 goal 50 pt guy when healthy......overpaid, obviously, but still an average 2nd line guy.

Let's see how productive and valuable Weber will be coming back from 2 surgeries at the age of 33
- sensarmy_11

Two years ago Ryan had 13g 12a for 25p in 62 gp
Last year it was 11g 22a for 33 p in 62 gp

So yeah...in 124 gp he is a 50+point 20+g guy.

I'm using facts. You're talking poop

31 out of 31 teams would rather have Weber than Ryan.
- Hunkulese

^this

All day everyday

Guys on Robidas Island are all on the LTIR. They aren't retired.
- Scabeh

They were forced there though was my point...essentially forced retirement just with a pension

Datsyuk is playing...in another league and left a contract he wouldn't play on for... $1m a season...it's how Arizona got Chychrun.
Zetterberg made a comment about leaving then had to walk it back after everybody screamed about cap recapture but he's gone after this year. You may want to Google how Alfies career ended as it's that cheap year at the end he wanted to leave on the table but stayed as a solid to the Sens and the Melnyk cheaped him after so he went to Detroit...something that is still a problem between he and the organization.

Very...VERY few players play into their 40's. Not everybody is Howe, Jagr or Chelios
- Takemedrunkimhome

I already said the only way Weber retires is if he's chasing KHL money. But he's not Russian, so....

You don't seem to understand the Alfredsson situation at all. The whole point was he wanted to keep playing. He wanted another contract but Ottawa didn't give it to him. He had no intention of retiring or he wouldn't have gone to Detroit.

While I get what you're saying, I don't think Weber is that kind of guy at all.

Then again, this whole conversation is stupid, we have no idea how things will be in the future.
- Scabeh

Well, if the Habs try to "force" him to retire (impossible), or force him to play in the AHL as punishment for not retiring rather than simply trade him to a cap floor team where he can simply collect checks while he stays at home (Because that would be what was up with the cap floor team trading for him) then I could see him doing exactly this out of spite

31 out of 31 teams would rather have Weber than Ryan.
- Hunkulese

no poop.....but 31 out of 31 teams also wouldn't want anything to do with weber's contract