Hunkulese
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Location: QC Joined: 09.30.2006
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How it works is this...
Nashville is completely and utterly (frank)ed if (when?) Weber retires 4 years or so from now. - Aetherial
There's zero chance Weber retires before his contract is up. Why would he retire when he could just sit on LTIR and keep getting paid?
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Xizord
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I am Eklund, QC Joined: 01.03.2007
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There's zero chance Weber retires before his contract is up. Why would he retire when he could just sit on LTIR and keep getting paid? - Hunkulese
The Habs could pass him on a physical and he'd either have to play or retire. Doubt he plays the last 3 years at $1m after what he's banked. Heck doubt he plays the 4th last year for only $3m. So yeah....won't happen. Realistically it's a 4 or 5 year term remaining from the Habs perspective.
LTIR only happens when it benefits both sides...in this case there is no benefit to the Habs so he'd either have to play or retire...or get traded to Nashville and suffer a skin condition (I know there's a shred of truth is Hossa's stuff) or some other poop and go on LTIR for them |
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Hey Dumb Dumb, like I said I havent been posting on here for a while, its your idiotic core of a fan base on this site who keeps on saying stuff like that while they post all day every day and go into every other thread to explain why Karlsson is going to be traded for all your teams best assets
take a look in the mirror before you start just blindly believing what they say in a poor attempt to deflect at how poopty the organization that you cheer for is ran . I post on my work breaks, news flash like 90% of the people on this site.
Yet you sens fans will cry at all hours of the night at how you are mistreated by other fans on this site, boo hoo you have no lives bc you make fun of the Sens. Thats more of a you problem then a me problem - DDM-Coga
Whatever you say.......all you are is alfieisking who cheers for a different team. Same poster, same idiotic trolling day after day. |
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parmen
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Joined: 03.22.2012
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Eck. disagree. it is over in MTL. hopefully Bergevin accepts it and does the right thing. which he won't, 'cause his reputation is on the line. |
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Xizord
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I am Eklund, QC Joined: 01.03.2007
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jesus christ......weber and price are 2 of the most unmoveable players in the league, right up there with bobby ryan
the habs are ripped mercilessly because their GM is ridiculously incompetent and makes his team worse and worse with every subsequent move. and he does this despite not being financially handcuffed....like PD in Ottawa. - sensarmy_11
So they get subventions for you where you "work " huh ? |
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Hunkulese
Calgary Flames |
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Location: QC Joined: 09.30.2006
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The Habs could pass him on a physical and he'd either have to play or retire. Doubt he plays the last 3 years at $1m after what he's banked. Heck doubt he plays thr 4th last year for onky $3m. So yeah....won't happen. Realistically it's a 4 or 5 year term remaining from the Habs perspective.
LTIR only happens when it benefits both sides...in this case there is no benefit to the Habs so he'd either have to play or retire...or get traded to Nashville and suffer a skin condition (I know there's a shred of truth is Hossa's stuff) or some other poop and go on LTIR for them - Takemedrunkimhome
Hockey players rarely if ever retire just because they don't want to play anymore. Pretty much everyone keeps going until no one wants to pay them anymore. Who really wants to retire before 40?
The only thing to worry about is if he "retires" to chase the KHL money. But how likey is that? |
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Whatever you say.......all you are is alfieisking who cheers for a different team. Same poster, same idiotic trolling day after day. - sensarmy_11
I get you came to troll the Habs and you hate the Avalanche because of how badly the Sens got bent over for Duchene...but a touch of reality would likely help you. False equivalencies don't make facts just bad arguments |
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The Webber / Subban deal will slant in Montreal's favour as the winner if Webber ends up retiring early due to these injuries. I can't remember exactly how it works out but The Fan960 in Calgary broke it down on how the cap implications would fall to Nashville and could be up to $24 million for one year. Again, can't remember exactly how that works but could force Nashville into a sell mode real quick. - Flames in 6 04
So, If Weber up and retires early due to injury while Subban is still playing somewhere, possibly winning Norris trophies, somehow that slants the deal in MONTREALS favor?
That deal will never end in Montreals favor. Never, Stupid then, Stupid now
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Hockey players rarely if ever retire just because they don't want to play anymore. Pretty much everyone keeps going until no one wants to pay them anymore. Who really wants to retire before 40?
The only thing to worry about is if he "retires" to chase the KHL money. But how likey is that? - Hunkulese
All of those contracts were designed for players to retire the last few years and lower the cap hit. Datsyuk...heck Zetterberg wants out now but wishes he never said so publicly due to cap recapture - I would bet he retires before his contract still as after this year it will be two years at $1m - this is his retirement tour. The Sens screwed Alfie after he played out his cheap year to their benefit and they wouldn't make it up to him the next year so he went to Detroit.
If you're 40 and played hard years would you play 3 years at near league minimum when you've banked almost $100m in career earnings? Guys start to get concerned about their post playing career more than you'd think |
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I get you came to troll the Habs and you hate the Avalanche because of how badly the Sens got bent over for Duchene...but a touch of reality would likely help you. False equivalencies don't make facts just bad arguments - Takemedrunkimhome
Please explain why its trolling to suggest that Weber and price are anything but immoveable contracts?
Who wants a 33 year old dman, who's had 2 major injuries in the last 6 months, who's out for the next 6 months, and who's owed 8mil + for the next 8 years?
Or a goalie, who while excellent, is paid twice as much as guys who aren't that far off from him. Why pay 10mil + for price (plus assets in trade) when you can likely get a goalie only slightly worse for 5 or 6 mil. |
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BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON Joined: 07.06.2012
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2-3?
Nice! - Scabeh
One of them is Bergevin though. |
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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No player is untradable. But Weber would not garner a return comparable to the value he would have staying put. Price at 10 mil probably would still garner the best return for a goalie compared with other number ones traded... which isn’t that much considering what goalies go for. A first rounder? That’s about it. - ChrisMS
agreed on the price return. especially with a NMC. when you give a player a full nmc, you pretty much decide then you aren't getting much of a return. |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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One of them is Bergevin though. - BlueBallz
Still 1-2 more than expected. |
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All of those contracts were designed for players to retire the last few years and lower the cap hit. Datsyuk...heck Zetterberg wants out now but wishes he never said so publicly due to cap recapture - I would bet he retires before his contract still as after this year it will be two years at $1m - this is his retirement tour. The Sens screwed Alfie after he played out his cheap year to their benefit and they wouldn't make it up to him the next year so he went to Detroit.
If you're 40 and played hard years would you play 3 years at near league minimum when you've banked almost $100m in career earnings? Guys start to get concerned about their post playing career more than you'd think - Takemedrunkimhome
He'll just get traded to some cap floor team that will use his 8 million dollar hit and will only cost them 1 million in salary
In this scenario they actually DON'T want the LTIR, because that clears the cap hit. They will pay him 1 Milliion in cash and ask him to stay home
He gets paid, The team in question is cap compliant
Win/Win
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Please explain why its trolling to suggest that Weber and price are anything but immoveable contracts?
Who wants a 33 year old dman, who's had 2 major injuries in the last 6 months, who's out for the next 6 months, and who's owed 8mil + for the next 8 years?
Or a goalie, who while excellent, is paid twice as much as guys who aren't that far off from him. Why pay 10mil + for price (plus assets in trade) when you can likely get a goalie only slightly worse for 5 or 6 mil. - sensarmy_11
Trolling - and false equivalencies started when you compared them to Bobby Ryan and his contract. Either that or you literally are too big a Sens fan to see the forest OR the trees.
If team Canada had to pick a world cup roster to play and both Price and Weber are healthy...they are locks and in the initial group of 8 or 10 names named. Their contracts aren't great but they are still useful players. Bobby Ryan has the same amount of points and only one more goal the last two seasons compared Weber despite Weber’s injuries and the whole him being a defensive d man. That's why it's obvious trolling...or ignorance. Take your pick |
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He'll just get traded to some cap floor team that will use his 8 million dollar hit and will only cost them 1 million in salary
In this scenario they actually DON'T want the LTIR, because that clears the cap hit. They will pay him 1 Milliion in cash and ask him to stay home
He gets paid, The team in question is cap compliant
Win/Win - RoloTahmasee
Again...why would MTL do that? The cap recapture is an asset for MTL. Either Nash pays MTL or they force Weber to retire and Nash pays $24+m in recapture penalties |
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cnatch
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: ON Joined: 07.02.2018
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Habs suck and their GM is to blame. Hes driving the team into the ground. The PK trade was abysmal and the traded their best center for domi - matthewsscores
But now they have all those wingers to play centre. The two positions are interchangeable, aren't they?
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Again...why would MTL do that? The cap recapture is an asset for MTL. Either Nash pays MTL or they force Weber to retire and Nash pays $24+m in recapture penalties - Takemedrunkimhome
how do they force weber to retire? |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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how do they force weber to retire? - Tumbleweed
Kidnap his childr...
I mean...
Ahem...
Send him to the AHL? |
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Again...why would MTL do that? The cap recapture is an asset for MTL. Either Nash pays MTL or they force Weber to retire and Nash pays $24+m in recapture penalties - Takemedrunkimhome
Because you can't "Force" anyone to retire, especially when they are owed money
Weber will be on the Montreal roster at an 8 million dollar cap hit, OR, they will trade him to a team that wants the cap hit and will happily pay Weber the money. Montreal will use the cap space gained to improve their team
What does Nashville have to do with it from Montreals perspective? Why does Montreal care? |
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how do they force weber to retire? - Tumbleweed
Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.
NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.
Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he plays the 4th last year for $3m.
No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID |
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.
NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.
Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he playsbthe 4th last year for $3m.
No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID - Takemedrunkimhome
he can get a 2nd opinion from his own dr.
scabies idea of sending him to the ahl is passable. |
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Trolling - and false equivalencies started when you compared them to Bobby Ryan and his contract. Either that or you literally are too big a Sens fan to see the forest OR the trees.
If team Canada had to pick a world cup roster to play and both Price and Weber are healthy...they are locks and in the initial group of 8 or 10 names named. Their contracts aren't great but they are still useful players. Bobby Ryan has the same amount of points and only one more goal the last two seasons compared Weber despite Weber’s injuries and the whole him being a defensive d man. That's why it's obvious trolling...or ignorance. Take your pick - Takemedrunkimhome
obviously they're better players than Ryan......but they're also signed to way more money and WAY WAY more term. Hence the comparison.
And I did say that Ryan was worse, but their contracts would be as hard to move as his |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.
NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.
Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he playsbthe 4th last year for $3m.
No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID - Takemedrunkimhome
It's all speculation at this point, we don't know how Weber's play/health will be or what will be his priorities or what he'll want when he's closing in on 40.
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