Wonder if part of the hold up on Maroon is Shero not wanting to overload the forward corps with veterans in case we get Callahan and TJ or whoever, effectively keeping McLeod, Q and Anderson out of the lineup. Just a thought

Tyler Johnson has 6 (palat has 4), they put up similar points, Palat had better advanced stats. What makes Johnson so coveted but Palat terrible?
- rmdevil313

I don't really want either of them. I think they are overrated and play a ton of sheltered minutes in Tampa.

Karlsson said he'll sign extension with Tampa, he prob doesnt want to be in NJ AND Shero is still in rebuild/gathering assets mode. What better way to get top young talent than to eat contracts that will expire in 1-2 yrs. Id love Karlsson, but in the long run and for a better well rounded team Shero is playing it perfectly (assuming things work out like he hopes)
- Leniwm1

Is he though? All in the last year:

He traded a 2nd for Mueller. Bad
He traded a 2nd and 3rd for Johansson. okay
He traded a 2nd and Rykov(who looks promising) for Grabner. Very Bad
He traded a 3rd for Maroon. okay

Not exactly gathering assets. More like giving up assets and people thinking that it's still a rebuild.

By the way, I'm okay with the Johansson and Maroon deals, I actually would of liked Reilly Smith over Johansson because FLA was trying to clear cap space and everyone knew it.

I don't really want either of them. I think they are overrated and play a ton of sheltered minutes in Tampa.
- Pomegrant

You could say the same thing about Sergachev, yet people salivate over him.

You could say the same thing about Sergachev, yet people salivate over him.
- Devils9503

Sure, but he's 20. These other guys aren't prospects anymore.

Sure, but he's 20. These other guys aren't prospects anymore.
- Pomegrant

Sergachev played 79 games last year, making him a rookie, not a prospect. This year he will be a sophomore.

Wonder if part of the hold up on Maroon is Shero not wanting to overload the forward corps with veterans in case we get Callahan and TJ or whoever, effectively keeping McLeod, Q and Anderson out of the lineup. Just a thought
- willschulme

They're probably about 1.5M apart and 2 years apart on term.

Moving on:

If Callahan only costs ~6.2M to buyout, I don't suspect that there's a whole lot NJ will get with him: two roster prospects maybe. If they got Ryan, I expect they'd get a lot more coming.

I must not be fully understanding our role in this but boris katchouk or whatever his name is doesnt sound like a guy who will ever even play. If we want guys that far away draft them if we are trading for talent they should be far enough along to crack the team and start contributing today. I dont like the idea of switching a young kids development path or taking over the development from another team who hasnt fully developed said player. That just leaves to much risk of trading for a player who never makes it and i dont want to do that and take on 10 mill in space. Sounds to me like ray is getting desperate.

They're probably about 1.5M apart and 2 years apart on term.

Moving on:

If Callahan only costs ~6.2M to buyout, I don't suspect that there's a whole lot NJ will get with him: two roster prospects maybe. If they got Ryan, I expect they'd get a lot more coming.
- archromat

Ah but that's assuming we don't trade anything of value to increase return

Get JT Miller then Granlund from Wild.

Hall Nico Gran
Zach Miller Palms
Wood Zaj Bratt
Cole Boyle Noesen
- Leniwm1

JT Miller: teams RARELY trade players that they just signed. Why? Because 1) they wanted those players in the first place, 2) it would make it hard to attract other players 3) JT Miller is not going to be the guy out when TBL has assets to unload TJ and Callahan

I really dont think so bro... with johnson i mean.. yes the prospects and picks will be going Ottawa’s way but tampa needs to remove cap. If this trade does happen, karlsoon would be payed 11-12 mil a year.. i dont think its a reach to ask for johnson and taking callahan or ryan contract. The hurdle here would be get both johnson and callahan/ i think... to waive there NTC
- Jamincito

TB only needs to shed one contract this year. If it can be Callahan, they’ll let it be Callahan - if it doesn’t make sense then I’m sure they’ll explore other options. I don’t think Sergachev is on the table. Ottawa needs to get assets back for Karlsson

OTT would have to take less in order to offload Ryan, plus Sergachev looks REALLY good. He's one of the top young D in the league already.

Foote is probably TBs top D prospect (aside from Sergachev), and Gustavson is probably OTTs best G prospect. Both are among the top in the league as well, about 2 years away from NHL time. $15mil in space isn't much, and I think Ryan would be reinvigorated playing top mins in NJ with Hall and Nico.

At the end of the day NJ will have to compete with Vegas playing this role, so they can't completely fleece either team...
- mventres

Ottawa is looking to get assets back for Karlsson. The return will be extremely mitigated by dumping off Ryan. I highly doubt they’re going to dump off other assets (like Gus) in the process

Anyone want a good laugh NJD fans are saying we should trade Zacha and a first rounder for Bobby Ryan, Callahan and Johnson
- Devils314

Yea.. that’s brutal

Wont it be funny after all this we are talking, NJ was never even included!

TB loses 2 of the top D prospects in the league and a 2nd rounder for a top D, who everybody knows is going to be traded and who will only sign to very few specific teams. These last caveats limit significantly who can actually trade for him, and hence what they will pay. If this was totally under the radar, Karlsson signed for at least 3-4 more years, etc then it would be a MUCH MUCH bigger deal.

I think ROR deal was not close to as good as this (2 3rd/4th liners, a B+ prospect and a pick), PLUS he could have gone to a variety of places and there were no contract signing concerns.
- mventres

I (and probably others) would argue that OTT could get more from another team that be willing to try to convince EK to sign after being woo’d throughout the season. I think Vegas is right there at the top of the list and they might even be willing to take on B Ry

Wonder if part of the hold up on Maroon is Shero not wanting to overload the forward corps with veterans in case we get Callahan and TJ or whoever, effectively keeping McLeod, Q and Anderson out of the lineup. Just a thought
- willschulme

That’s a good thought and honestly, probably pretty accurate. BUT, great GMs would sign Maroon anyways and trade someone else for assets - that’s just good asset management (unlike trading for Maroon and Grabner last deadline)

Sure, but he's 20. These other guys aren't prospects anymore.
- Pomegrant

Absolutely. Sergachev is absolutely captivating at times

I (and probably others) would argue that OTT could get more from another team that be willing to try to convince EK to sign after being woo’d throughout the season. I think Vegas is right there at the top of the list and they might even be willing to take on B Ry
- WSCTeton17

I dont know why he is interested in going there. Last year will not repeat itself and they lost some big pieces for nothing. There are just better teams to go to to win a cup. Im not sold on vegas being anything more then a team that caught a wave and rode it... How many teams where decent enough to make the play offs for one year and suck the following ? Tons.

I don't really want either of them. I think they are overrated and play a ton of sheltered minutes in Tampa.
- Pomegrant

Palat > Johnson.

Seriously? Do you watch any Tampa games?

Palat is Tampa's top penalty killer. He plays in the final minutes of regulation, overtime, and all situations. His minutes are far from sheltered.

Palat is very underrated and underappreciated. I would much rather lose Johnson than Palat.

Wont it be funny after all this we are talking, NJ was never even included!
- Leniwm1

I'd be fine with that depending on what the return is. I'd need something good to take on Callahan's contract. He's been washed up for at least a season or two now.

I dont know why he is interested in going there. Last year will not repeat itself and they lost some big pieces for nothing. There are just better teams to go to to win a cup. Im not sold on vegas being anything more then a team that caught a wave and rode it... How many teams where decent enough to make the play offs for one year and suck the following ? Tons.
- Shampoo

I never said Vegas was some spectacular team but since you brought it up, why don’t you think they’ll be a contender? Concerns about Fleury are warranted- but is Gallant a bad coach? Are their defenders bad? Has their GM made a ton of bad decisions?
Vegas has a pile of assets that they can use to improve their roster this season and there are a ton of impactful potential FAs on the market this next offseason.
Vegas has no income tax (similar to Nashville and Tampa) and lets be honest- who doesn’t want to bring the first Stanley cup home to a franchise

Palat > Johnson.

Seriously? Do you watch any Tampa games?

Palat is Tampa's top penalty killer. He plays in the final minutes of regulation, overtime, and all situations. His minutes are far from sheltered.

Palat is very underrated and underappreciated. I would much rather lose Johnson than Palat.
- GalacticStone

Sold

Not sure if anyone has said this, but I realise the player you may get will help you, but why on earth would you want to give Tampa another high end player? Unless Shero thinks he can build a team that can beat Tampa, you are helping them create a real great team - & it's not for a year or 2, but for the next 6 years in my opinion.

Helping an opposing team short term I get, but giving them the tools to beat you when you should be contending isn't smart business. If no one helps them, it puts more pressure on Dorian to find a solution - enter Shero the master negotiator & watch him rape & pillage.

Report says Maroon to the blues

My only issue here is which team is Ray Shero trying to win a Stanley Cup for the Devils or the Lightning?...If we are making this trade to give basically 2 teams major cap relief we need to be at the BIGGEST end of where prospects are going.Say it is Tyler Johnson we get slong with a Ryan or Callahen(or both) what is itvreally benefiting us? The last 3 years Johnson is averaging 18 goals a year.I am pretty damn sure we could have signed someone during free agency for that same production(Maroon sound familiar?). We have 2 years to make the Devils a string Cup contender or else summer of 2020 we can get ready to see pictures of Taylor Hall in his pajamas at age 9 on Twitter if ya know what I mean!!