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Forums :: Blog World :: Todd Cordell: Could the New Jersey Devils be a third party in an Erik Karlsson trade?
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willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Jul 6 @ 1:07 PM ET
Have seen a few reports stating that Ottawa wants Ryan included in the Karlsson trade if that’s the case Shero should stay away unless Ottawa retains some salary and we get Johnson without having to give up much that Ryan contract is garbage
- Devils314

I know it's not something we should just do often, but can we not just buy him out if need be?

I'm not sure of the logistics so if someone can tell me why that's a bad idea, that's fine too
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 6 @ 1:09 PM ET
I know it's not something we should just do often, but can we not just buy him out if need be?

I'm not sure of the logistics so if someone can tell me why that's a bad idea, that's fine too

- willschulme



It’s a bad idea because of the length remaining. If we brought in Bobby Ryan and bought him out you are talking 8 years of dead space.

A typical buyout on a contract without cap recapture penalties is 2/3 the remaining dollars spread out over twice the remaining years.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 6 @ 1:11 PM ET
For those curious, this is a Bobby Ryan buyout:

https://www.capfriendly.c...ulator/bobby-ryan#results
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Jul 6 @ 1:14 PM ET
It’s a bad idea because of the length remaining. If we brought in Bobby Ryan and bought him out you are talking 8 years of dead space.

A typical buyout on a contract without cap recapture penalties is 2/3 the remaining dollars spread out over twice the remaining years.

- smellmyfinger

So about 2 million and change over 8 years? Ouch that is ugly
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 6 @ 1:16 PM ET
So about 2 million and change over 8 years? Ouch that is ugly
- willschulme



Even more for the 1st four years because of guaranteed money on the signing bonus. It really is a wretched contract considering how quick his level of play dropped off.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Jul 6 @ 1:19 PM ET
Even more for the 1st four years because of guaranteed money on the signing bonus. It really is a wretched contract considering how quick his level of play dropped off.
- smellmyfinger

Man that is really something awful. Only means that if we do take it on it'll be a lot that comes back. I imagine Shero won't take it lightly
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 6 @ 1:23 PM ET
I wouldn't mind the Devils being the third team if it mean taking Johnson on, but only taking Callahan/Killorn/Palat for draft pick compensation sounds really terrible. Stuck with a lot of money and term for not much gain.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jul 6 @ 1:27 PM ET
Well this is exciting and scary. Feel comfortable that Ray won’t do anything crazy. We will probably get shut out on this because Shero will make sure it makes sense for us and some other team will take it in the can.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jul 6 @ 1:27 PM ET
Crazy thought, what if there are like another 3 teams involved only for the ryan contract. Like he gets traded 3 times while each team retains like 2 mil and picks go with him along the way?
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 6 @ 1:28 PM ET
I wouldn't mind the Devils being the third team if it mean taking Johnson on, but only taking Callahan/Killorn/Palat for draft pick compensation sounds really terrible. Stuck with a lot of money and term for not much gain.
- Pomegrant



Ideally I’d like to see a Johnson and Callahan for a lotto protected 2019 1st. Adding Callahan hurts Johnson’s trade value, but you have to believe Tampa isn’t moving Johnson without a real asset coming back, especially since Johnson has so many years left at a reasonable cap hit.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jul 6 @ 1:28 PM ET
Hey if we get Ottawa's first, im all for taking Ryan or Callahan or whatever. That 1st could be a top 5 pick. I dont think theyd give us that pick, but I'm just saying. So u guess this is a waste of a comment lol.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 6 @ 1:29 PM ET
Hey if we get Ottawa's first, im all for taking Ryan or Callahan or whatever. That 1st could be a top 5 pick. I dont think theyd give us that pick, but I'm just saying. So u guess this is a waste of a comment lol.
- MartysBetter88



Colorado already has Ottawa’s 2019 1st for Duchene, that trade turned out terribly for the Sens.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 6 @ 1:33 PM ET
Hey if we get Ottawa's first, im all for taking Ryan or Callahan or whatever. That 1st could be a top 5 pick. I dont think theyd give us that pick, but I'm just saying. So u guess this is a waste of a comment lol.
- MartysBetter88

That pick is going to Colorado as part of the Duchene trade.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 6 @ 1:34 PM ET
Ideally I’d like to see a Johnson and Callahan for a lotto protected 2019 1st. Adding Callahan hurts Johnson’s trade value, but you have to believe Tampa isn’t moving Johnson without a real asset coming back, especially since Johnson has so many years left at a reasonable cap hit.
- smellmyfinger

Tampa needs to lose something when they are getting Karlsson. It can't be all upside for them in which they don't lose any good roster players for essentially futures and cap relief.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 6 @ 1:35 PM ET
Crazy thought, what if there are like another 3 teams involved only for the ryan contract. Like he gets traded 3 times while each team retains like 2 mil and picks go with him along the way?
- Leniwm1


I believe there are limitations to this. This is what Pittsburgh did to get Brassard (got Vegas involved to eat some salary), but the league really dug into it to make sure it was legal. Beyond two teams I do not believe is allowed.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

Jul 6 @ 1:37 PM ET
Tampa needs to lose something when they are getting Karlsson. It can't be all upside for them in which they don't lose any good roster players for essentially futures and cap relief.
- Pomegrant


Yeah, the tough part though is what are they trading for? A rental or a longterm extension? If it's an extension, then how does Kucherov fit into the equation? And Vasilevsky? They can't possibly pay them all, but if Karlsson is simply a rental then why move a contributing piece like Johnson? Go all in on this year.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jul 6 @ 1:50 PM ET
Playing a bit of devil's advocate here, but what if we did take the Ryan contract back and were able to get say Foote + Pageau in return? We're not contending this year, and to be honest probably not next year either. We have tons of cap space and not much else to spend it on, and every year Ryan plays takes 2 off his buyout, and he could even end up being LTIRetired. Our forward depth improves and we get another good D prospect for the future.

Hall-Hischier-Bratt
Mojo-Zacha-Palmieri
Wood-Pageau-Ryan
Coleman-Zajac-Noesen
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jul 6 @ 1:51 PM ET
Colorado already has Ottawa’s 2019 1st for Duchene, that trade turned out terribly for the Sens.
- smellmyfinger


I was looking at their team for any sort of value to get for taking Ryan's contract and they are gutted. They might actually do worse than the 2017 Avs.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
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Jul 6 @ 1:52 PM ET
I wouldn't mind the Devils being the third team if it mean taking Johnson on, but only taking Callahan/Killorn/Palat for draft pick compensation sounds really terrible. Stuck with a lot of money and term for not much gain.
- Pomegrant


Johnson, Killorn, and Palat will cost something, no way we get them as a cap dump.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 6 @ 1:55 PM ET
I was looking at their team for any sort of value to get for taking Ryan's contract and they are gutted. They might actually do worse than the 2017 Avs.
- rmdevil313



How pissed is Ottawa’s fan base going to be when they trade Karlsson, Duchene walks for nothing and the Avs draft Hughes? That’s the kind of scenario nightmares are made of.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jul 6 @ 1:55 PM ET
I believe there are limitations to this. This is what Pittsburgh did to get Brassard (got Vegas involved to eat some salary), but the league really dug into it to make sure it was legal. Beyond two teams I do not believe is allowed.
- jersey1414


If I remember correctly the issue was that Vegas wasn't actually giving anything up to get Reaves at first.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jul 6 @ 1:56 PM ET
How pissed is Ottawa’s fan base going to be when they trade Karlsson, Duchene walks for nothing and the Avs draft Hughes? That’s the kind of scenario nightmares are made of.
- smellmyfinger


They have to trade Duchene, and there's no way they are getting the same value back.
Devils314
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 08.16.2016

Jul 6 @ 2:03 PM ET
Johnson, Killorn, and Palat will cost something, no way we get them as a cap dump.
- rmdevil313


Johnson is expendable with the emergence of Point this season Tampa also has a deep prospect pool I could see Johnson being traded just to rid themselves of Callahan’s contract of course they would have to get a pick or quality prospect in return also
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jul 6 @ 2:11 PM ET
They have to trade Duchene, and there's no way they are getting the same value back.
- rmdevil313


Finding another team willing to overpay the way Ottawa overpaid would take a miracle.... and with less time on his contract his value is obviously less. Such stupidity. Thank god Ray would never do something so crazy. I mean you can't guarantee every trade will work out but you can make sure it makes reasonable sense.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 6 @ 2:20 PM ET
How pissed is Ottawa’s fan base going to be when they trade Karlsson, Duchene walks for nothing and the Avs draft Hughes? That’s the kind of scenario nightmares are made of.
- smellmyfinger

It's worse than the Leafs trading for Kessel.
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