Exactly, and lets examine the key pieces we've lost over the years and what we got in return:

Sharp for Daley and Garbutt? That's bad No. Sharp was in his 30's at the time, coming off his worst season in a while and his Cap hit needed to be gone. Johns was the bad move here but revisionist history nonetheless.

Saad for Anisimov and Dano is okay....but not if you're gonna end up trading away a stud like Panarin just to reacquire Saad anyways....

Leddy for some AHLer i forgot the name of, Pokka or something like that Kept Oduya and won a Cup. I remember when Ledd Pipe was going to be a perennial Norris candidate...what happened to that narrative. I'll take the Cup.

Danault for Weise and Fleichmann.....AWFUL! Yes awful.

Hjalmarsson for Murphy....looks bad so far, don't see it turning around its not like Murphy has some unseen/hidden potential and once again the player going should have fetched a much better return. So the rest of the Hawk Core is now old and bad but Hammer is the one that found the fountain of youth? Not buying it. No.

These were CRITICAL trades involving some of the crucial pieces of the roster, forget all the lesser ones that you could dig into.

Add these to the contracts that were given out:

Toews at 10.5mil per. So you had him as washing up before 30? Yeah right.
Bickell 4.0(so badly overpaid we had to trade away a budding top 6 talent in Teravainen) I remember you calling Bickell's MS before it was diagnosed and being a huge proponent of TT.
Seabrook 7.0 per and its been well documented how bad of a (frank) up this was.
Again these are big names, key pieces on the roster that were not handled correctly.

And all the NTCs and all the lesser contracts and overpays and yada yada.....

You can't dance around it. You can't sugar coat it. This front office has ruined everything, They also won 2 Cups. All on them. Sorry they did so let's not forget. Yes they had key players that they identified and didn't trade away. And for all the people screaming about the depth traded away, this group added the depth that contributed to two Cups.

there is no recovering from these mistakes, and they should all lose their jobs(though they surely won't). Its (gotten)THAT bad.
- SimpleJack

Exactly, and lets examine the key pieces we've lost over the years and what we got in return:

Sharp for Daley and Garbutt? That's bad

Saad for Anisimov and Dano is okay....but not if you're gonna end up trading away a stud like Panarin just to reacquire Saad anyways....

Leddy for some AHLer i forgot the name of, Pokka or something like that

Danault for Weise and Fleichmann.....AWFUL!

Hjalmarsson for Murphy....looks bad so far, don't see it turning around its not like Murphy has some unseen/hidden potential and once again the player going should have fetched a much better return.

These were CRITICAL trades involving some of the crucial pieces of the roster, forget all the lesser ones that you could dig into.

Add these to the contracts that were given out:

Toews at 10.5mil per.
Bickell 4.0(so badly overpaid we had to trade away a budding top 6 talent in Teravainen)
Seabrook 7.0 per and its been well documented how bad of a (frank) up this was.
Again these are big names, key pieces on the roster that were not handled correctly.

And all the NTCs and all the lesser contracts and overpays and yada yada.....

You can't dance around it. You can't sugar coat it. This front office has ruined everything, there is no recovering from these mistakes, and they should all lose their jobs(though they surely won't). Its (gotten)THAT bad.
- SimpleJack

Panarin a stud?? Oh - you are just too funny!!!!!




Again, a classic example of someone here creating their own narrative, repeating it - hoping that will make it true.

If Panarin is such a "stud" - then why isn't Columbus offering 10+ million for his services??

They will be happy to see him go - and it may be sooner than you think.....

Panarin a stud?? Oh - you are just too funny!!!!!




Again, a classic example of someone here creating their own narrative, repeating it - hoping that will make it true.

If Panarin is such a "stud" - then why isn't Columbus offering 10+ million for his services??

They will be happy to see him go - and it may be sooner than you think.....
- dahawks8819

How do you know they aren't offering him 10+ million? Maybe he would rather make 10+ million in a better hockey market like NY, Boston, etc.

Still no Karlsson trade? Hmm some phones must not be working

Panarin a stud?? Oh - you are just too funny!!!!!




Again, a classic example of someone here creating their own narrative, repeating it - hoping that will make it true.

If Panarin is such a "stud" - then why isn't Columbus offering 10+ million for his services??

They will be happy to see him go - and it may be sooner than you think.....
- dahawks8819

10+ mil? Wtf? How many players are making that much? He was easily their best player last season, he's a stud, an all-star, a beast, a freak, whatever you wanna call it.

What narrative am i creating? He's a great player. What do you have against him?

Three years ago, Toews was a top 3 center in the game. No one could have seen that his game was going to fall off a cliff. Bickell has MS. No one could have seen that he was going to have those issues after the playoffs in 2013.

I'm not a Bowman apologist, and actually wish he was gone, but those are 2 bad examples IMO. I agree with everything else.
- tvetter

I agree with bickell but toews at that rate for that long of term was dumb. If he was putting up 20 more points a year maybe. The Seabrook deal was no excuse for the term or amount it was crazy from the time it was announced. I never liked Stan after the shady way Dale was fired because of contracts that Bowman was suppose to take care of. Has he made some decent moves yeah. But alot more bad trades and signings then good.

10+ mil? Wtf? How many players are making that much? He was easily their best player last season, he's a stud, an all-star, a beast, a freak, whatever you wanna call it.

What narrative am i creating? He's a great player. What do you have against him?
- SimpleJack

I personally have nothing against him, but I can tell you that Hawk management and a few of the players did.

So in your world, standing at the blue line, tapping your stick for the puck makes him an all-star?? Or disappearing when playoff hockey starts makes him a stud??

I think St. Louis, Nashville and Washington have a much different view of him - as each of those teams had no problems neutralizing him when the games really mattered.

He is a one zone player - and does not handle the contact of North American playoff hockey very well.

Just remember - in the last three games of that Washington series - Panarin had 0 points and was a -6. If he was such a stud and game changer, he would have been better than what he showed.

Some buzz I heard was he wants to play for Boston, but whoever he ends up with will overpay for him, and end up getting that G.M. fired within two years of the signing.

Not only cuz I am a huge fan, but I am going to give CC a pass on this and believe it is medical, to which, while we want to know, we cannot learn about it untill CC says so.

On the medical side, I fear it may be something like vertigo. Having been just diagnosed with BPPV myself the last few months, I can say it affects my movement to the point attention is needed any time I move quickly, in any direction. Imagine a goalie playing that position.

There were times early last season, CC just did not look right. It didn't seem like tendons or joints, etc. I have no actual evidence, just a gut feel. Seeing his reactions and thinking about it as it appears to me. Balance is a tricky thing when your inner ears are saying one thing, and your eyes and brain are saying another. Exercises help, just like muscle memory, 15k-20k reps needed to see significant improvement, but at least in my case I gotta be more aware of the things I do. And I can say for sure, any quick movement in any axis makes for balance discomfort.

JMO....
- blackhawk24

I’m sticking with what I saw: believe Malkin’s deliberate hip check on Crawford’s head was the catalyst for Crawford eventually being out the rest of the year.

This site was created for hockey fans to discuss hockey, of course there is passion and emotion that can happen during these discussions. But there has to be a level of common respect when responding to a poster.

If you or anyone else feels that this is an imposition, then I would suggest that you (goes for everyone) find another site to make personal attacks against posts or posters you do not agree with.

I see there has been a lot of deleted posts in the blog, next up is lengthy bans, time eyou guys read the CoC.
- Makita

My view on the boards is that they are the contemporary version of the water cooler. If you live in Chicago it’s easy to get a group of people to talk about the Cubs and bears, not so easy with the white Sox and hawks. And with so many people working from home these days, it’s harder still.

Grew up having actual sports conversation....blogs weren’t even a figment of imagination yet.

The best part of the real discussions was the interplay of ideas. Someone always had something smarter to say than you; and someone always said something dumber. Someone always had more insight than you; and someone always didn’t have a clue. Funny thing was, the more insightful and clueless people were usually the same person. The smarter and dumber people were also often the same.

Thing was, when you spoke face to face — and I don’t care whether it was at school, the playground, an army barracks or game room, or eventually an office — speaking face to face was civil. Things could get heated and passionate, but everyone listened and heard each other out with respect. Tagging on someone’s ideas was part of the fun.... but it never devolved into personal attacks.

It’s too easy to hide behind the anonymity of the internet to make personal attacks on someone. I agree totally that that is uncalled for and not appropriate on this board. I believe the posters who devolve into personal attacks believe they are ALWAYS insightful and smart. The reality is their ideas are no better — or worse— than anyone else that posts here. But they are worse for making the attacks and not recognizing the board for what it is.

That's one of the things I've noticed between Justin and JJ's write ups, JJ writes like he's pissed off all the time. Don't get me wrong i want the Hawks to win, root for them to win, but harping on past mistakes is pointless i just hope they learn from them. The sequence of events the Hawks org have made led us to 3 SC's, it could be worse we could've won none. And yes i know it might've been better.
- BetweenTheDots

I enjoy the differences. Don’t want to live in a world where there is only one voice giving me their opinion. Like listening to different voices and having the personal opportunity to pick and choose the ideas and messages I like. It’s about using your life learning skills and critical listening and reasoning skills to sort through the clutter to get the right message — which no one person can deliver on their own.

Great listen - interesting insights into Panarin (and Bob) from Aaron Portzline on Canadian radio:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ctivity-goalie-situation/

Panarin a stud?? Oh - you are just too funny!!!!!




Again, a classic example of someone here creating their own narrative, repeating it - hoping that will make it true.

If Panarin is such a "stud" - then why isn't Columbus offering 10+ million for his services??

They will be happy to see him go - and it may be sooner than you think.....
- dahawks8819

See the audio link I posted above. CBJ hasn’t been able to even get to the point of making an offer because Panarin and his agent will not talk to CBJ management and have flat out said that Panarin will not sign with CBJ. (And looks like the same is true for Bobrovski). Think about that. As bad as everyone thinks things are for the Hawks, it sounds like other places have it much worse.

Exactly, and lets examine the key pieces we've lost over the years and what we got in return:

Sharp for Daley and Garbutt? That's bad

Saad for Anisimov and Dano is okay....but not if you're gonna end up trading away a stud like Panarin just to reacquire Saad anyways....

Leddy for some AHLer i forgot the name of, Pokka or something like that

Danault for Weise and Fleichmann.....AWFUL!

Hjalmarsson for Murphy....looks bad so far, don't see it turning around its not like Murphy has some unseen/hidden potential and once again the player going should have fetched a much better return.

These were CRITICAL trades involving some of the crucial pieces of the roster, forget all the lesser ones that you could dig into.

Add these to the contracts that were given out:

Toews at 10.5mil per.
Bickell 4.0(so badly overpaid we had to trade away a budding top 6 talent in Teravainen)
Seabrook 7.0 per and its been well documented how bad of a (frank) up this was.
Again these are big names, key pieces on the roster that were not handled correctly.

And all the NTCs and all the lesser contracts and overpays and yada yada.....

You can't dance around it. You can't sugar coat it. This front office has ruined everything, there is no recovering from these mistakes, and they should all lose their jobs(though they surely won't). Its (gotten)THAT bad.
- SimpleJack

Jack some great points here and ones I usually cover. You may also want to point out that Bowman's priority that summer after the Cup win in 15 was not resigning the 4D he needed so badly (see the Blues series in spring of '16),but instead first resigning David Rundblad.

The Sharp trade remains an absolute disaster not only for the return but because the return cost valued cap space he needed to hang onto Oduya (left to twist in the wind) or Saad. Saad should have never been moved in the first place. He also was able to buyout Bickell at that point but instead ended up giving up TT to make him go away.

Meantime Bowman never got the 4D needed (not at the TDL either and instead gave up a promising young center in Danault for hot garbage). And what are the Hawks sorely lacking amongst other things center depth.

Last summer Stan made moves for the sake of making them not necessarily for the betterment of the club, but for cost control. You point out the two major ones, your second leading scorer and your best defensive dman, but not having a bonafide NHL backup unless you count a 36 year old accountant ranks right there.

He still can't unload Hossa's deal without a sweetener a la TT/Bickell...and teams aren't exactly lining up to help Stan out. And his big free agency moves this summer are certainly not a wowsa. You've added a 39 year old center, a backup goalie with a full NMC/NTC who won a Cup 14 years ago or so...and another #6 defenseman. And now you want to save cap space for some kids who might or might not be the next core of this team? What does that say to your veterans hoping for some help this season? And the One-Goal mantra...lol...

It's time for the Hawks to move on from the current FO and get a new Pres of Hockey Ops...Rocky you're on the clock.

10+ mil? Wtf? How many players are making that much? He was easily their best player last season, he's a stud, an all-star, a beast, a freak, whatever you wanna call it.

What narrative am i creating? He's a great player. What do you have against him?
- SimpleJack

What dahawks8819 has against him is that Breadman badly outplayed Saad and once again exposed Bowman as the incompetent GM that he is.

I personally have nothing against him, but I can tell you that Hawk management and a few of the players did.

So in your world, standing at the blue line, tapping your stick for the puck makes him an all-star?? Or disappearing when playoff hockey starts makes him a stud??

I think St. Louis, Nashville and Washington have a much different view of him - as each of those teams had no problems neutralizing him when the games really mattered.

He is a one zone player - and does not handle the contact of North American playoff hockey very well.

Just remember - in the last three games of that Washington series - Panarin had 0 points and was a -6. If he was such a stud and game changer, he would have been better than what he showed.

Some buzz I heard was he wants to play for Boston, but whoever he ends up with will overpay for him, and end up getting that G.M. fired within two years of the signing.
- dahawks8819

And you know this how? Mental telepathy or "inside sources"?

Justin, All - going to check out of here for a bit. There’s no constructive discussion about the Blackhawks, only a bunch of whining, complaining and trash talking management.

Still no Karlsson trade? Hmm some phones must not be working
- BetweenTheDots

I wonder what the hang up is

Justin, All - going to check out of here for a bit. There’s no constructive discussion about the Blackhawks, only a bunch of whining, complaining and trash talking management.
- Marlowe

Then start something constructive.

Let the mods deal with the rest.

I wonder what the hang up is
- BGKarras

Karlsson is a stand-up guy - he wants to do his share for society.

He doesn’t want to go to a no-tax state.

(Hey - it could happen.)

Karlsson is a stand-up guy - he wants to do his share for society.

He doesn’t want to go to a no-tax state.

(Hey - it could happen.)
- StLBravesFan

Highly doubt it

Panarin a stud?? Oh - you are just too funny!!!!!




Again, a classic example of someone here creating their own narrative, repeating it - hoping that will make it true.

If Panarin is such a "stud" - then why isn't Columbus offering 10+ million for his services??

They will be happy to see him go - and it may be sooner than you think.....
- dahawks8819

The Breadman has proven himself in the 3 years in the league almost a PPG player; yes he had Kane for the first two but it wasn't one sided as Kane had his best years as well points-wise. No he is not quite in the "stud" category commanding 10-11 million /yr but few are and nobody is comparing him to Kaner, Toews, Taveres, Ovie, etc as those guys are paid that. You mention his lack of D instincts well look at Kaner. When you command the puck in the O zone as muck as he has, that means way less time in your D zone; he is Forward that you are willing to compromise his D instincts for. I'll take that trade-off anytime! Possible solutions if so worried about his D zone work, put him out only in O zone FO and change on the fly when in D zone FO

Karlsson is a stand-up guy - he wants to do his share for society.

He doesn’t want to go to a no-tax state.

(Hey - it could happen.)
- StLBravesFan

If true, then the delay is that his agent — JB pritzker — is probably still tied up at the dinner table and can’t get away to finish the negotiations.

Justin, All - going to check out of here for a bit. There’s no constructive discussion about the Blackhawks, only a bunch of whining, complaining and trash talking management.
- Marlowe

its the summer.

perfect time to chill out of hockeybuzz.

Karlsson is a stand-up guy - he wants to do his share for society.

He doesn’t want to go to a no-tax state.

(Hey - it could happen.)
- StLBravesFan

After thinking long and hard about the Blackhawks and the last 15 months for this organization, I think I am willing to give the front office a chance to redeem themselves. I agree with almost all posters here who think that StanBo has been fleeced time and time again in a lot of his deals. I think it goes both ways with the roster. Ultimately, he inherited a goldmine of talent. He had to make a lot of very difficult decisions over the last decade. He had some great deals, he had some awful deals- it's the gamble you take with the salary cap and remaining competitive. The Hawks have never been in a position to focus on getting younger and replenishing their entire system. While the immediate future of this team can be frustrating and a bit unsettling, I am excited to see what happens with this group down the road. I like that they have drafted defenseman in the first round the last two years, and have a plan with what they want to do.

I am not thrilled about the free agent signings, but I can also applaud SB for not going more than a year with Kunitz and Ward. Everything I have read about them is they are great locker room guys, so that could have a lasting impact on the youth in the lineup.

One final thing that gives me hope...as the salary cap rises each year, a lot of contracts will be coming off the books. No matter how it is done, Hossa, Crawford, and Anisimov will eventually be gone, and that will open up quite a bit of money to go out and spend elsewhere.

This sounds crazy...but what the Hawks are doing now reminds me of what the Yankees did the last four years. Retooled, drafted well, made some great trades, and are once again absolutely loaded. Hopefully the Hawks can have the same fate.