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section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:20 PM ET
Right, if Ek’s report is accurate (I know) and he has an interest in the flyers then that would help. I’m sure whoever trades for him the extension will be announced immediately. The Simmonds point is certainly interesting...that would be a great deadline piece to have but I think Gostisbehere could be the key in a potential Karlsson deal
- Just5

Yeah, we seem to have the pieces that could do the most for OTT. Not to mention we finally end up with Bobby Ryab. If they retain $2MM, it could be an attractive deal. Simmer going the other way would give them a more attractive asset to move at the TDL.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jul 4 @ 10:27 PM ET
Patrick + Konecny and Sanheim + a 1st (unprotected)

kthanksbye

- TheCalSen



forbetterorWORSE
Ottawa Senators
Location: Riverview, NB
Joined: 06.12.2009

Jul 4 @ 10:36 PM ET
Giving up Gostisbehere for Karlsson makes no sense at all. Karlsson would make almost triple what Gostisbehere makes after his extension and he's not triple the player Gostisbehere is. In fact Karlsson isn't THAT much better at all. If Gostisbehere has to be part of the deal, then heck no. Even if it's straight up one for one.
- TonyBazz

Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 4 @ 10:47 PM ET
Patrick + Konecny and Sanheim + a 1st (unprotected)

kthanksbye

- TheCalSen


Stop smoking the hard stuff. It’s killing what’s left of your brain cells, young man!
RANKKA
Joined: 01.16.2016

Jul 4 @ 10:51 PM ET
i knew it was just a matter of time when this idiot reports this fake news LOL
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 4 @ 10:54 PM ET
Yea I don't think so. You'll be lucky if you get Sanheim, Rubtsov, Lindblom and a first.
- TonyBazz


This is the only scenario I’d be willing to look at so far. Some of the returns a few posters put forth are just plain ridiculous.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 4 @ 10:55 PM ET
Giving up Gostisbehere for Karlsson makes no sense at all. Karlsson would make almost triple what Gostisbehere makes after his extension and he's not triple the player Gostisbehere is. In fact Karlsson isn't THAT much better at all. If Gostisbehere has to be part of the deal, then heck no. Even if it's straight up one for one.
- TonyBazz


He is better offensively than Ghost and better defensively. Also Ghost makes 6 mill this season and it goes lower to lessen the Cap hit. No doubt his next Contract will be much closer to Karlsson's. I dont doubt his offense can match Karlsson's within 3 years but I am not convinced on the Defensive side of things.

Regardless Karlsson is an upgrade, It isnt one we necessarily have to make but it is an option given the amount of promising D prospects we have plus a Wayne Simmonds who is buried on the 3rd line behind Konecny and Voracek. The drawback is taking back B.Ryan. On the one hand he is still a good player, on the other he hasnt been too durable of late and his cap hit is monstrous.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 4 @ 11:24 PM ET
Giving up Gostisbehere for Karlsson makes no sense at all. Karlsson would make almost triple what Gostisbehere makes after his extension and he's not triple the player Gostisbehere is. In fact Karlsson isn't THAT much better at all. If Gostisbehere has to be part of the deal, then heck no. Even if it's straight up one for one.
- TonyBazz

You’re all sorts of Alfie-tarded
TonyBazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:17 AM ET
He is better offensively than Ghost and better defensively. Also Ghost makes 6 mill this season and it goes lower to lessen the Cap hit. No doubt his next Contract will be much closer to Karlsson's. I dont doubt his offense can match Karlsson's within 3 years but I am not convinced on the Defensive side of things.

Regardless Karlsson is an upgrade, It isnt one we necessarily have to make but it is an option given the amount of promising D prospects we have plus a Wayne Simmonds who is buried on the 3rd line behind Konecny and Voracek. The drawback is taking back B.Ryan. On the one hand he is still a good player, on the other he hasnt been too durable of late and his cap hit is monstrous.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Gostisbehere's cap hit for the next SIX years is $4.5 mil per season. That's one of the best bargain contracts in the NHL. While I do agree with you that Karlsson is a little better defensively, it certainly doesn't justify the trade with the bang for the buck Philly is getting with Gostisbehere. I'm a HUGE Karlsson guy too. I think he's a top 5 player when he's on his game. But I'd much rather have Gostisbehere at $4.5 mil a season for the next six years than Karlsson at $10-12 mil a season for the next seven years. Its actually a pretty easy call; I'm not even sure why we're talking about this. Any deal for Karlsson won't include Gostisbehere. Hextall isn't that dumb.
TonyBazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:28 AM ET
You’re all sorts of Alfie-tarded
- RafiDRW


Shayne Gostisbehere 2017-2018 stats
13 G, 52 A, 65 P, +/- Plus +10
Erik Karlsson 2017-2018 stats
9 G, 53 A, 62 P, +/- Minus -25
Gostisbehere was also the only defenseman in the NHL to crack the top 10 in powerplay points last season with 33. When Karlsson is on his game, he's the best offensive defenseman in hockey. But Gostisbehere is top 5 or even higher. When I say Karlsson isn't THAT much better than Gostisbehere, I'm not just talking out my ace. Maybe you should do some research next time before you dismiss what somebody's saying as retarded. Troll.
aries1976
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Frustration that unites us all. , AB
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 5 @ 1:25 AM ET
Shayne Gostisbehere 2017-2018 stats
13 G, 52 A, 65 P, +/- Plus +10
Erik Karlsson 2017-2018 stats
9 G, 53 A, 62 P, +/- Minus -25
Gostisbehere was also the only defenseman in the NHL to crack the top 10 in powerplay points last season with 33. When Karlsson is on his game, he's the best offensive defenseman in hockey. But Gostisbehere is top 5 or even higher. When I say Karlsson isn't THAT much better than Gostisbehere, I'm not just talking out my ace. Maybe you should do some research next time before you dismiss what somebody's saying as retarded. Troll.

- TonyBazz


If Ghost can get that in a season with Philly.

What do you think Karlsson would get playing on that same PP?

I'd guess maybe 25 points more

Karlsson is Far superior.
Bezberody
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.05.2018

Jul 5 @ 1:30 AM ET
I think the Senators have the wrong people making these decisions. Too bad
Bezberody
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.05.2018

Jul 5 @ 1:30 AM ET
I think the Senators have the wrong people making these decisions. Too bad
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Jul 5 @ 4:07 AM ET
Provorov - Karlsson
Morin - Ghost
Hagg - Gudas

Assmuning we take MacD. I just jizzed
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Jul 5 @ 4:10 AM ET
Shayne Gostisbehere 2017-2018 stats
13 G, 52 A, 65 P, +/- Plus +10
Erik Karlsson 2017-2018 stats
9 G, 53 A, 62 P, +/- Minus -25
Gostisbehere was also the only defenseman in the NHL to crack the top 10 in powerplay points last season with 33. When Karlsson is on his game, he's the best offensive defenseman in hockey. But Gostisbehere is top 5 or even higher. When I say Karlsson isn't THAT much better than Gostisbehere, I'm not just talking out my ace. Maybe you should do some research next time before you dismiss what somebody's saying as retarded. Troll.

- TonyBazz


Comparing only one year. Good job bro Ofc Karlsson had no off-ice issues this year.... and played 6 games less

While we are at it:

Gostisbehere 2016-2017 stats:
7 G 23 A 39 P MINUS 21

Karlsson 2016-2017 stats:
17G 54 A 71P PLUS 10
twpguy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2010

Jul 5 @ 5:13 AM ET
Getting too many drama queens in the NHL now too. Leave that poop for the NBA ! MAKE A DECISION ALREADY
twpguy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2010

Jul 5 @ 5:35 AM ET
Ok keep Karlsson and enjoy your 76 point season with no first rounder to speak of next year

Yourwelcomepeace

- Just5


Yea, you got that right. I read that and figured...You want Patrick,Konecny,Sanheim and a 1st, you damn well better have more then Karlsson coming back
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 6:40 AM ET
Getting too many drama queens in the NHL now too. Leave that poop for the NBA ! MAKE A DECISION ALREADY
- twpguy

You know he's not a free agent, right? Ott is holding things up.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 5 @ 7:34 AM ET
Gostisbehere's cap hit for the next SIX years is $4.5 mil per season. That's one of the best bargain contracts in the NHL. While I do agree with you that Karlsson is a little better defensively, it certainly doesn't justify the trade with the bang for the buck Philly is getting with Gostisbehere. I'm a HUGE Karlsson guy too. I think he's a top 5 player when he's on his game. But I'd much rather have Gostisbehere at $4.5 mil a season for the next six years than Karlsson at $10-12 mil a season for the next seven years. Its actually a pretty easy call; I'm not even sure why we're talking about this. Any deal for Karlsson won't include Gostisbehere. Hextall isn't that dumb.
- TonyBazz


His CAP HIT is 4.5. Salary is a different story. Salary is what Ottawa is more interested in. Ghost makes 6 mill this year in salary and then it drops considerably from there.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 5 @ 7:38 AM ET
Shayne Gostisbehere 2017-2018 stats
13 G, 52 A, 65 P, +/- Plus +10
Erik Karlsson 2017-2018 stats
9 G, 53 A, 62 P, +/- Minus -25
Gostisbehere was also the only defenseman in the NHL to crack the top 10 in powerplay points last season with 33. When Karlsson is on his game, he's the best offensive defenseman in hockey. But Gostisbehere is top 5 or even higher. When I say Karlsson isn't THAT much better than Gostisbehere, I'm not just talking out my ace. Maybe you should do some research next time before you dismiss what somebody's saying as retarded. Troll.

- TonyBazz


Karlsson 2015-16: 82 GP 16 G 66 A 82 Points...... Not sure If im just blind but I dont recall Ghost ever scoring more than 65 points.
atlasgibbs
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Havertown, PA
Joined: 01.15.2018

Jul 5 @ 7:45 AM ET
I'm sure a deal has to include Wayne Simmonds. We don't need Bobby Ryan's contract, they'd have to take MacDonald. Not sure that works, MacDonald has 2 yrs left, Bobby Ryan may have more, making him not wanted unless money is involved too
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 7:53 AM ET
I'm sure a deal has to include Wayne Simmonds. We don't need Bobby Ryan's contract, they'd have to take MacDonald. Not sure that works, MacDonald has 2 yrs left, Bobby Ryan may have more, making him not wanted unless money is involved too
- atlasgibbs

I'd rather they take Weise than MacDonald in all honesty. Not taking Ryan back unless they eat max money in his contract which I can't see them doing.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 5 @ 9:29 AM ET
Provorov - Karlsson
Morin - Ghost
Hagg - Gudas

Assmuning we take MacD. I just jizzed

- DutchSenators


What would be your trade scenario?
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 5 @ 9:33 AM ET
Karlsson 2015-16: 82 GP 16 G 66 A 82 Points...... Not sure If im just blind but I dont recall Ghost ever scoring more than 65 points.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I hope they are, but the Flyers are not going to be "really" challenging for the cup anytime within 2 years... Karlsson is 28, and 31 when the Flyers are "ready". On the other hand... Ghost is 25, and will be 28 when they are ready. Karlsson might be a slight upgrade right now, but maybe not in 3 years.

You can argue stats all day... Nobody mentioned age, ice-time, etc... The stats are similar. Both are valuable PP quarterbacks. The Flyers don't "need" Karlsson in the longer term view - if your subtracting Ghost. If the Flyers could swing a deal that does not rape them... Then he'd be a welcome addition.

The Flyers have; money, cap space (limited not long term), several prospect defensemen, Simmons (hate to lose him), and with good amount of prospects at the farm - they could burn high round pick. Hextall is committed to the future, I doubt that he'll burn up too many resources to land Karlsson.
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:48 AM ET
Akland explorong Spel chekk. “Ful fours”
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