Question to forum....what are your thoughts on Jesper Bratt?....will he become more of a considtent scorer eventually or was last years quick start a flash in the pan?

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Question to forum....what are your thoughts on Jesper Bratt?....will he become more of a considtent scorer eventually or was last years quick start a flash in the pan?
- RussH1964

Bratt plays better if the players around him are better. He was moved around a lot and even saw time in the press box. After the first half of the season, he took his foot off the gas and many people were saying he was afraid of getting hit hard. When he got paired up with Nico and Hall on the top line, you can see that the kid has skills and speed.

Trade for Gardiner
- mr.sir

No!

Dehaan is a decent defenseman, I go to plenty of islander games since I live right next door, and he's not a top pairing defenseman and is a borderline top 4 because the Islander defense was a mess last year. Trust me we dodge a bullet with him and I like him personally but he's worth between 3.5- 4mil tops and I think he kind of reached his ceiling. As for Mueller, yes right now Dehaan is better but he's only 23 and I believe if he never got hurt last year he would of been in our top 4 by the end of the year and he makes a lot less money.
- Gambi99

Frankly, I don't trust you. 23 isn't young for an NHL player, it's in their prime, and all the underlying numbers say De Haan is a very good defenseman and that Mueller is a fringe NHLer. I trust that over your (or even my own) eye test.

Frankly, I don't trust you. 23 isn't young for an NHL player, it's in their prime, and all the underlying numbers say De Haan is a very good defenseman and that Mueller is a fringe NHLer. I trust that over your (or even my own) eye test.
- CaptCrankypants

23 is not prime for defensemen.

Alexei Emelin

23 is not prime for defensemen.
- willschulme

https://hockey-graphs.com...s-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/

We are not a better team right now then the team that madw the first round and lost to tampa last year... We did absolutely need to make things happen this offseason to stay the tragectory and that has yet to happen that is why ppl are upset not because we didnt sign a NHL player through free agency yet it was the total lack of nothing from the get go of the off season... Didnt trade down to aquire more picks ( which is fine ) but you also didnt make any moves period to aquire picks and we had already dished some out for a guy who we know isnt coming back in grabner. So between the draft/ free agency and lack of trades ppl are getting worried about what is going on. I gotta say this isnt how i expected things to play out after pushing to make the play offs last year and the emphasis that was put on it.

https://hockey-graphs.com...s-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/
- CaptCrankypants

Considering Mueller's birthday is in March, all of these WAR statistics suggest this will be his first season at the plateau that I believe the article is suggesting is the prime. His age 23 year.

Furthermore, these stats suggest an average. Do you consider Mueller's development so far average? Hardly. He's been used poorly and that should reflect in the time it takes for him to fix his WAR.

I'll pose the question again. Do you consider Santini a prospect?

Like i preferred when the goal was stay the course and aquire picks as possible but i dont like going to a every other year plab when one year you push for the play offs and the following you recoup. I think Ray jumped the gun on last season and he maybe should of stayed pat. None of us are in the room to know the Hall situation or how serious it is so i get some urge but i think he could of convinced him one more year of rebuilding or building till we start throwing away pieces for dance tickets when its to early in the process. I have said it before we got the first overall pick which was huge but it made us not really stock pile elite talent like most rebuilding clubs have been able to do. Our top propects are mid first round picks with mild upside that play the two way game. We dont have any one out their flying up the charts tearing up their league either all of our guys seem to be just doing ok not great.

Shero is quiet because he’s in on something.
- RubberBiscuitz

he's quiet because he keeps on LOSING on bids for players, and is onto the next best thing.. which if you keep getting bumped from best to next best.. will eventually leave you with crap (Hamhuis).

if not signing overpriced mediocre free agents is a bad offseason then I guess we'll never be good ever again

Considering Mueller's birthday is in March, all of these WAR statistics suggest this will be his first season at the plateau that I believe the article is suggesting is the prime. His age 23 year.

Furthermore, these stats suggest an average. Do you consider Mueller's development so far average? Hardly. He's been used poorly and that should reflect in the time it takes for him to fix his WAR.

I'll pose the question again. Do you consider Santini a prospect?
- willschulme

The point is at this point in their development they arent scaring anyone. Santini was always going to be a project a mobile defensive d man with 0 offense. He will be a fleeter foot A train if he pans out. Imo we need to keep trying to add potential to this franchise a lot of mid to low ceiling guys. We need to find away to get more players in that having that higher pedigree. Tired of hearing devils and safe pick NHL PLAYER ECT ECT incorporate some high ceiling guys in there with a pick or two thay isnt past the 4th roleagues.u gotta believe its hard to get nhl 30 goal scorers from drafts when the players you are drafting barely crack 30 in their jr leagues. Someone who scored 20 in jr just isnt going to score 20 in the nhl let alone more. What i really mean to say is you cant draft safer players and expect them to turn out be offensive dynimos lol

Considering Mueller's birthday is in March, all of these WAR statistics suggest this will be his first season at the plateau that I believe the article is suggesting is the prime. His age 23 year.

Furthermore, these stats suggest an average. Do you consider Mueller's development so far average? Hardly. He's been used poorly and that should reflect in the time it takes for him to fix his WAR.

I'll pose the question again. Do you consider Santini a prospect?
- willschulme

I consider Santini still a prospect and also Dehaan at 23 played 65 games scored 1 goal and had 11 assists. Like you said, defenseman take sometimes a little longer to develop. Again not saying Mueller is going to be a top defenseman but its too early to call him a bust until given a real shot.

I consider Santini still a prospect and also Dehaan at 23 played 65 games scored 1 goal and had 11 assists. Like you said, defenseman take sometimes a little longer to develop. Again not saying Mueller is going to be a top defenseman but its too early to call him a bust until given a real shot.
- Gambi99

What exactly is a real shot though in youre opinion. He was a former first round pick and didnt show the sharks enough in his time their to get a better look and if i remember correctly his ahl numbers didnt even scream at you so was he not being used properly in the ahl either or what was going on there. I hope we have something in Mueller dont get me wrong but i think it would be reaching to think we had much more then a john moore in him. Mueller literally reminds me of Merill but a smoother looking skater. Big guy soft as poo and not assertive enough to progress much further.

The point is at this point in their development they arent scaring anyone. Santini was always going to be a project a mobile defensive d man with 0 offense. He will be a fleeter foot A train if he pans out. Imo we need to keep trying to add potential to this franchise a lot of mid to low ceiling guys. We need to find away to get more players in that having that higher pedigree. Tired of hearing devils and safe pick NHL PLAYER ECT ECT incorporate some high ceiling guys in there with a pick or two thay isnt past the 4th roleagues.u gotta believe its hard to get nhl 30 goal scorers from drafts when the players you are drafting barely crack 30 in their jr leagues. Someone who scored 20 in jr just isnt going to score 20 in the nhl let alone more. What i really mean to say is you cant draft safer players and expect them to turn out be offensive dynimos lol
- Shampoo

Agreed I rather draft a higher ceiling guy with a lower floor then a not-to-high ceiling but a much higher floor. Sometimes GM's take the safe route when drafting especially in the higher rounds. We need to hit a homerun or two with some of these draft picks. (maybe a guy like Talvitie)

The point is at this point in their development they arent scaring anyone. Santini was always going to be a project a mobile defensive d man with 0 offense. He will be a fleeter foot A train if he pans out. Imo we need to keep trying to add potential to this franchise a lot of mid to low ceiling guys. We need to find away to get more players in that having that higher pedigree. Tired of hearing devils and safe pick NHL PLAYER ECT ECT incorporate some high ceiling guys in there with a pick or two thay isnt past the 4th roleagues.u gotta believe its hard to get nhl 30 goal scorers from drafts when the players you are drafting barely crack 30 in their jr leagues. Someone who scored 20 in jr just isnt going to score 20 in the nhl let alone more. What i really mean to say is you cant draft safer players and expect them to turn out be offensive dynimos lol
- Shampoo

So it's a project when it's a player we like but a failure when it's Mueller.

What exactly is a real shot though in youre opinion. He was a former first round pick and didnt show the sharks enough in his time their to get a better look and if i remember correctly his ahl numbers didnt even scream at you so was he not being used properly in the ahl either or what was going on there. I hope we have something in Mueller dont get me wrong but i think it would be reaching to think we had much more then a john moore in him. Mueller literally reminds me of Merill but a smoother looking skater. Big guy soft as poo and not assertive enough to progress much further.
- Shampoo

Well I'm assuming Shero knows more then all of us put together and he traded a 2nd and 4th for him. It wasn't like we picked him off the scrapheap. Again I'm not saying he's going to be great or even good but lets give him a shot. He was playing well before he got hurt. Maybe with a strong camp and a healthy body and mind he can come in and play 15-18 minutes a night. If he can do that at 875.000 a year that's a good deal. I'm just not as quick as others to toss players aside especially since we don't have a deep minor league system.

So it's a project when it's a player we like but a failure when it's Mueller.
- willschulme

We can always bring back Blandisi....everybody loved him

why the heck is Mueller getting this much conversation? Dmen take longer to develop. Mueller was drafted 18th, but isn't currently, and probably will never be a legit top 4 guy. He struggled to maintain the #6 spot.. even with the chances he was given.

Mueller doesn't excite me, and shouldn't excite you.

Where can I buy the crystal balls you guys use to figure out who will be good/bad in the future.

Shero's PTO plans might be fruitful again. The team could use a top 4 skating defenseman, but those are a bit hard to come by.

Where can I buy the crystal balls you guys use to figure out who will be good/bad in the future.
- Pomegrant

he COULD be good in the future, but so far we've seen meh. .. and the Devils have had a LOT of meh dmen come through the system in the past 10 years. Yea he's young, but again.. we've seen a lot of meh dmen, old and young.. that remain meh until they're not in the league anymore. meh.

it’s just sad. Maybe ownership just likes cap space because they don’t want to spend real money. We got in the playoffs by a hair and we’ve done nothing to improve. Off season disaster so far.