I haven’t seen the haugh article but I’m going to go look for it.

I did see the nmc for ward which just made me giggle. It’s like bowman has a quota he has to give out in a year. Truly remarkable.

I don’t think this team will ever admit to a rebuild but the main thing I look at is hossa. If this team was truly after a top ufa hossa would have been gone. Now bowman is out saying how he can use the ltir money in season as it’s some valuable asset. Is what it is.

I don’t see them doing much more. Again trading aa creates a hole elsewhere unless a kid in camp shows he can play a top 9 role. I also agree with Rick j and v about Crawford. Something off there. See what happens late this month and now forth coming he is if any media press him on his health at the dog and pony show. Or if the hawks limit his media availability (more likely) to keep his health under wraps.

I haven’t seen the haugh article but I’m going to go look for it.

I did see the nmc for ward which just made me giggle. It’s like bowman has a quota he has to give out in a year. Truly remarkable.

I don’t think this team will ever admit to a rebuild but the main thing I look at is hossa. If this team was truly after a top ufa hossa would have been gone. Now bowman is out saying how he can use the ltir money in season as it’s some valuable asset. Is what it is.

I don’t see them doing much more. Again trading aa creates a hole elsewhere unless a kid in camp shows he can play a top 9 role. I also agree with Rick j and v about Crawford. Something off there. See what happens late this month and now forth coming he is if any media press him on his health at the dog and pony show. Or if the hawks limit his media availability (more likely) to keep his health under wraps.
- SteveRain

Gone to whom?

The usual suspects (Ottawa, Arizona, NYI, Carolina) are all over the minimum.

So - what asset would they have to give up to move Hossa’s cap space out?

Gone to whom?

The usual suspects (Ottawa, Arizona, NYI, Carolina) are all over the minimum.

So - what asset would they have to give up to move Hossa’s cap space out?
- StLBravesFan

They’ve had 7 months to move hossa being conservative when nhl allowed him to go on ltir. Could be a little less or a little longer in regards to time.

They haven’t. And I don’t see them doing it now because a team will want a pick or prospect and hawks have no intention on doing it. So if they believed they had a chance at a cup that minimal pick or prospect wouldn’t have stood in a way of adding a top ufa. That’s my point. That’s the tell. This ufa year was eerily similar to 2011.

Oh we can all talk ourselves into how if this That or All this happens they COULD contend. But imo lot less needs to happen for them to miss playoffs again then they need to go right to make the dance.

Not upset about it. But not going to sugarcoat it either. The ward nmc May be the dumbest thing bowman has done. Next to trading multiple pick for timmonen who was done before he even stepped foot in the room.

They’ve had 7 months to move hossa being conservative when nhl allowed him to go on ltir. Could be a little less or a little longer in regards to time.

They haven’t. And I don’t see them doing it now because a team will want a pick or prospect and hawks have no intention on doing it. So if they believed they had a chance at a cup that minimal pick or prospect wouldn’t have stood in a way of adding a top ufa. That’s my point. That’s the tell. This ufa year was eerily similar to 2011.

Oh we can all talk ourselves into how if this That or All this happens they COULD contend. But imo lot less needs to happen for them to miss playoffs again then they need to go right to make the dance.

Not upset about it. But not going to sugarcoat it either. The ward nmc May be the dumbest thing bowman has done. Next to trading multiple pick for timmonen who was done before he even stepped foot in the room.
- SteveRain

Please, do tell, which team was taking hossa contract in the last 12 months without a sweetener?be specific

What is Hoosa's Cap hit if he continues on LTIR?

Please, do tell, which team was taking hossa contract in the last 12 months without a sweetener?be specific
- dpard

Please do tell where I named a team. I said they had 7 months and if they wanted to they could have. They moved bickell. Florida moves bolland. How many times did pronger move? Datysuk was moved.

Please let us all know how how the hawks are a playoff team. Can’t wait.

What is Hoosa's Cap hit if he continues on LTIR?
- Colbyboy

5.275 goes on ltir. Believe it’s prorated over League days. Would have to look it up.

The biggest carrot wirtz loves is the total amount he pays hossa this year is 1 million.

I haven’t seen the haugh article but I’m going to go look for it.

I did see the nmc for ward which just made me giggle. It’s like bowman has a quota he has to give out in a year. Truly remarkable.

I don’t think this team will ever admit to a rebuild but the main thing I look at is hossa. If this team was truly after a top ufa hossa would have been gone. Now bowman is out saying how he can use the ltir money in season as it’s some valuable asset. Is what it is.

I don’t see them doing much more. Again trading aa creates a hole elsewhere unless a kid in camp shows he can play a top 9 role. I also agree with Rick j and v about Crawford. Something off there. See what happens late this month and now forth coming he is if any media press him on his health at the dog and pony show. Or if the hawks limit his media availability (more likely) to keep his health under wraps.
- SteveRain

Don't go looking for a hard hitting piece of journalism. I found it to be rather mild although it touched on a few relevant points.

What Chicago needs is to import some of the hockey media from Montreal, Toronto or Ottawa - they would dissect and skewer the Bowmans, McD, Rocky, their wives and pets, their hairdressers and the guys selling hot dogs outside the UC.

Don't go looking for a hard hitting piece of journalism. I found it to be rather mild although it touched on a few relevant points.

What Chicago needs is to import some of the hockey media from Montreal, Toronto or Ottawa - they would dissect and skewer the Bowmans, McD, Rocky, their wives and pets, their hairdressers and the guys selling hot dogs outside the UC.
- RickJ

Lol. Well it’s better to the contrary.

Since Sassone passed we have powers and that’s it. I’d take that over the army of McDonough puppets. Notice nothing from Uncle Barry with the Hawks very quiet and arguably horrific ufa signings? Im sure that’s a coincidence. Nothing to blame q for.....so his keyboard is silent.

5.275 goes on ltir. Believe it’s prorated over League days. Would have to look it up.

The biggest carrot wirtz loves is the total amount he pays hossa this year is 1 million.
- SteveRain

Still confused

If on LTIR what is the Cap Hit ?

Please do tell where I named a team. I said they had 7 months and if they wanted to they could have. They moved bickell. Florida moves bolland. How many times did pronger move? Datysuk was moved.

Please let us all know how how the hawks are a playoff team. Can’t wait.
- SteveRain

That's my point, you didn't name a team they could have unloaded hossa to. But you're very confident they could/should have done it without having to add a sweetener. Please elaborate and enlighten me how they were going to pull that off.
I didn't mention making playoffs, stay on topic.... Hossa contract

Still confused

If on LTIR what is the Cap Hit ?
- Colbyboy

Its not an easy answer. It depends on how close to the Cap they are at the time of placing him on LTIR. CapFriendly has a whole section on it and all the parameters.

Prolly the easiest way to get an answer. Well, easy may be a stretch.

5.275 goes on ltir. Believe it’s prorated over League days. Would have to look it up.

The biggest carrot wirtz loves is the total amount he pays hossa this year is 1 million.
- SteveRain

You are aware he had been paying Hossa in excess of his cap hit for years, right?

Gone to whom?

The usual suspects (Ottawa, Arizona, NYI, Carolina) are all over the minimum.

So - what asset would they have to give up to move Hossa’s cap space out?
- StLBravesFan

IMO, none. Bowman can work around it.

You are aware he had been paying Hossa in excess of his cap hit for years, right?
- Elbows15

Bet the answer is ...nope!
And LTIR is not prorated....Been covered ad nauseum, but who is counting

Bet the answer is ...nope!
And LTIR is not prorated....Been covered ad nauseum, but who is counting
- dpard

Keep it up buddy. Show me where I said no sweetener. I said and reading is a skill for Trolls like you that if they wanted to move his deal he (bowman) could have. That’s the tell. He’s not giving up a prospect or pick as of now so it is what it is.

Yes. It was a front loaded deal. The reason hossa deal to a cap floor team is somewhat attractive as while it’s a big cap hit it’s a minimal salary paid out the next 3 years.

You are aware he had been paying Hossa in excess of his cap hit for years, right?
- Elbows15

Yep. Contrary to my friends thought.

Unlike most dead money hossa actual Salary the next 3 years is 1/5 of his cap hit. So a team with a minimal
Internal cap budget would find that enticing.

Keep it up buddy. Show me where I said no sweetener. I said and reading is a skill for Trolls like you that if they wanted to move his deal he (bowman) could have. That’s the tell. He’s not giving up a prospect or pick as of now so it is what it is.

Yes. It was a front loaded deal. The reason hossa deal to a cap floor team is somewhat attractive as while it’s a big cap hit it’s a minimal salary paid out the next 3 years.
- SteveRain

Calm down scooter....no need for name calling........I can read, right, and arithmetic with da best of dem.
You're all over the board on Hossa contract....what team is below floor that NEEDS hoss contract? Lemme help ya ....NONE

Yep. Contrary to my friends thought.

Unlike most dead money hossa actual Salary the next 3 years is 1/5 of his cap hit. So a team with a minimal
Internal cap budget would find that enticing.
- SteveRain

Sure. IF they needed to cap hit the reach the cap floor at a minimal cost. Currently, there are no teams that meets that criteria.


To go even further, you mentioned 7 months, which isn't quite accurate. That type of move is made in the off-season. No team needs to reach the cap floor during the season since they have to be cap compliant during the season.

No one was taking on that deal last off-season without knowing for sure that Hossa was eligible for LTIR.

Weren't you advocating signing 35 yr old Brodziak? Who also signed a Multi-year deal.
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- Elbows15

Sign anyone on a one yr deal. What's the difference accept if you can get a center over a wing do it.

Sure. IF they needed to cap hit the reach the cap floor at a minimal cost. Currently, there are no teams that meets that criteria.


To go even further, you mentioned 7 months, which isn't quite accurate. That type of move is made in the off-season. No team needs to reach the cap floor during the season since they have to be cap compliant during the season.

No one was taking on that deal last off-season without knowing for sure that Hossa was eligible for LTIR.
- Elbows15

There ya go pallie, muddying the water with facts...pfffft

Trying to learn something here, but some of you usuals are so snotty on this thread.

It seems to me the Blackhawks have scenarios in mind based on how the team does and other circumstances.

I don’t think they could have gone full rebuild this summer because they would have had to trade low on some of their core assets or keep them and let a new coach try to deal with high paid veterans who know their era has ended. So, they keep the band together for another season and see what happens.

Either way, the team is in transition. They just need to see how things unfold before making the moves that make the direction clearer.
- matt_ahrens

I think you are probably right on. In short the Hawks don't quite know what they are doing but if the core somehow rebounds, one of Gus/Forsling/Oesterle steps up into a legit 2nd rotation guy and Crow comes back and is Crow they ride with the slow rebuild as they try to fill the arena.

If the 6-7-8 things they need to go right don't the unspoken rebuild might be spoken at the TDL.

I’m not sure what your spin is - that they ARE an old team, because the averages say so, or that they AREN’T, like I’m saying because of the context of the individual demographics.

The key to the next year or two is (a) can the “old core” (Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Toews, add in Q for completeness) return to some semblance of Cup-contending production, at the same time that (b) the inexperienced and unproven youngsters who form the bulk of the remaining roster take big leaps forward.

I’ve been pessimistic - too many things have to go well and right - but could happen.
- StLBravesFan

I don't care if they add Jagr as long as it's only 1 yr. The club is seemingly rudderless to my eye and when they, whoever they is, do get an agreed upon plan my hope was there was no JVR or Neal signed for 5 yrs.

The low end comparables for Schmaltz are still in the $5.5m x 6/8 year range so Idt this point you're trying to make really works lol.
- L_B_R

My silly lol is you don't give Schmaltz 7 mil per...... And I'll let Sage jump in on Stamkos and his tax savings in Floridastan.